UK Police helicopter budget cuts
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Can we interlace that map with crime rates?
and bigger?
and bigger?
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Eh?
or Cumbria, The Wash, East Sussex, Cornwall, Scarborough!
Let's not forget that these are time circles not range circles. how about overlaying population data rather than crime figures, Police A/C don't just respond to crime!
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk
And later in the article, a litttle bit of forked tonguery?
Back to statistics to get your chosen desire. 
If you think about it, up to 90% of Police Air Tasks could be done by the bobby on the beat, given a stepladder/cherry picker, handheld thermal camera and 4x4 vehicle.
A WELSH police authority yesterday announced it is to fight a plan to scrap its helicopter and replace it with a fixed-wing aircraft because it says the move is unworkable in a rural area.
Delyth Humfryes, chair of Dyfed-Powys Police Authority, said members unanimously agreed to oppose the plan by the National Police Air Service (NPAS) in Wales and England, which is part of proposals to cut the number of its aircraft and bases by a third.
Delyth Humfryes, chair of Dyfed-Powys Police Authority, said members unanimously agreed to oppose the plan by the National Police Air Service (NPAS) in Wales and England, which is part of proposals to cut the number of its aircraft and bases by a third.
And later in the article, a litttle bit of forked tonguery?
The project team told chief officers at a meeting last month that it was generally accepted that 80% to 90% of police air support tasks could be carried out by fixed-wing aircraft.
If you think about it, up to 90% of Police Air Tasks could be done by the bobby on the beat, given a stepladder/cherry picker, handheld thermal camera and 4x4 vehicle.
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Elsewhere in Wales;
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news
Chief Con Mark Polin said NWP have not yet committed to joining the national police air service.
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All areas that currently have excellent coverage by aircraft?!??!
I think NPAS are quite proud of the fact that 97% of the population of England and Wales can be reached in 20 mins with their 20 base model. However they may have forgotten that the majority of crime is commited by a minority of individuals who reside predominately in urban areas. Calls into question the proposed loss of South Yorkshire's machine and the reduced service to Sheffield, likewise the loss of Merseyside's aircraft. The other aircraft in the North West region will not be able provide between them the same level of service to Liverpool. "Mike 1" must have been doing something right to have had two very serious attempts recently at permanently removing them. Also moving Western Counties to the wholly inappropriate site of Colerne, away from their major crime hotspot of Bristol!
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As the spectre of the attacks has reared it's head, has any 'Duty of Care' been given any thought in this matter?
Just think, 1 location, 2 aircraft, 3 crew (all of which could be 'civvies') and 4 cars turn up in the middle of nowhere with the nearest response up to 30 mins away.
Wasn't the primary aim of Policing the preservation of life and property?
Just think, 1 location, 2 aircraft, 3 crew (all of which could be 'civvies') and 4 cars turn up in the middle of nowhere with the nearest response up to 30 mins away.
Wasn't the primary aim of Policing the preservation of life and property?
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From a different thread;
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EGBO's a tricky one in fog, but it takes local knowledge or a very good eye indeed to know that. We sit in a bowl with some very damp ground to the south of us, so are very prone to fog which can set in for the whole day even when elsewhere clears. I think the fastest I've seen in the last month (let alone the last few years working there!) was CAVOK to 200m or less FG in 25 mins. Not one to play with.
There seems to be a shift in the NPAS plan....
I suspect that Colerne is going to be one of those elements that will drop off the radar. And that discounts the radar needed to get in and out of there at times. Just one visit in November was met with swathes of fog on the perimeter. Bad choice or what?
Not only are important people in Bristol against losing their 135 from the centre of things, there are people in Wiltshire that seem quite keen on keeping the air ambulance element of the Wiltshire operation... and that is for years beyond the NPAS 2012 start date.
There have been some strange utterances from the main people involved in the tiny team including Richard Watson addressing the Air Ambulance Association AGM suggesting that there may be a possibility of police and air ambulance working together. Hang on a cotton picking minute..... I thought that the basis of NPAS was doing away with that......?
It looks to be very much a moveable feast..... not sure that it is a career prospects plus either...
So all in all I guess that by 2012 that whole map thing is going to alter completely. South Yorkshire.... reported as digging their heels in..... Dyfed looking to fixed wing.... and we have hardly started!
In the end the money supply will 'design' the end product.
Regardless of difficulties put up by such as Dyfed, South Yorks and Wiltshire if the central funds are not there and the AOC access witheld the government plan [whatever it is] will prevail.
As we all know, aviation is a very expensive commodity and becoming increasingly difficult for individual forces to afford without central help. If ever NPAS get a real plan put together by experts - a plan that will work that is - air support will be better. Until then it is in the lap of the gods.
The Police AOC was a good idea but I suspect it might act as a mighty sledge hammer to suppress any independent aspirations towards individualism in a period when that might actually be needed again. Just because the NPAS team have decreed it does not mean it is right and proper. IMHO
Regardless of difficulties put up by such as Dyfed, South Yorks and Wiltshire if the central funds are not there and the AOC access witheld the government plan [whatever it is] will prevail.
As we all know, aviation is a very expensive commodity and becoming increasingly difficult for individual forces to afford without central help. If ever NPAS get a real plan put together by experts - a plan that will work that is - air support will be better. Until then it is in the lap of the gods.
The Police AOC was a good idea but I suspect it might act as a mighty sledge hammer to suppress any independent aspirations towards individualism in a period when that might actually be needed again. Just because the NPAS team have decreed it does not mean it is right and proper. IMHO
Just drawing the threads of the January edition together and noticed another major inconsistency in the NPAS plan..... remember this is a proposal where the ink is barely dry....
Last week I heard that the Dream Team were proposing putting police on air ambulances and now buried in a website statement by the Dyfed Powys Police Authority on the proposal to kill off the A109 is another 'inconsistency'.... you will mostly have read about the planned fixed wing option but until now I was not aware just where the idea came froim....
The National Project Team have suggested that a fixed wing aircraft could be incorporated in the National Police Air Service to address some concerns – there are however disadvantages with this such as inability to land at a scene, the inability to hover, and it would be unable to transport specialist officers.
Is something unravelling...... at speed....?
Last week I heard that the Dream Team were proposing putting police on air ambulances and now buried in a website statement by the Dyfed Powys Police Authority on the proposal to kill off the A109 is another 'inconsistency'.... you will mostly have read about the planned fixed wing option but until now I was not aware just where the idea came froim....
The National Project Team have suggested that a fixed wing aircraft could be incorporated in the National Police Air Service to address some concerns – there are however disadvantages with this such as inability to land at a scene, the inability to hover, and it would be unable to transport specialist officers.
Is something unravelling...... at speed....?
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Aviation policy created by blind Nuns.
there are however disadvantages with this such as inability to land at a scene, the inability to hover, and it would be unable to transport specialist officers.
Yes but you have to remember that the people in the Police Authorities are pretty green on the subject so that observation is perhaps understandable.
Where this is all not understandable is that the people who are supposed to advise them, to fill in the gaps, to create a viable plan for them to approve are to be found wandering in the Colerne fog.....
That observation discounts the hierarchy of Dyfed-powys police it seems. They have been quoted as expressing some concerns about The Plan.... they appear only guilty of having signed it off 'on the nod' at the October meeting! Some of the Police Authorities are coming across as being of sterner stuff.
Where this is all not understandable is that the people who are supposed to advise them, to fill in the gaps, to create a viable plan for them to approve are to be found wandering in the Colerne fog.....
That observation discounts the hierarchy of Dyfed-powys police it seems. They have been quoted as expressing some concerns about The Plan.... they appear only guilty of having signed it off 'on the nod' at the October meeting! Some of the Police Authorities are coming across as being of sterner stuff.
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It does all seem to have gone a bit Q. Is this the sign of things to come? Have NPAS either
1 Decided its actually not as easy as they first thought and have gone away to have a re think or
2 Doing it behind every ones backs with out any real advice and consultation with the intention of railroading it through??
1 Decided its actually not as easy as they first thought and have gone away to have a re think or
2 Doing it behind every ones backs with out any real advice and consultation with the intention of railroading it through??
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I was told yesterday that NPAS have been given the green light for their fighting funds which will be £16m over 4 years. So where do the saving com in to it? £15m saving - £16m set up fund = loss £1m 
Also can anyone confirm on the rumour that O.D. is no longer employed by NPAS?
Also can anyone confirm on the rumour that O.D. is no longer employed by NPAS?