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May I add this is starting to get a tad boring and somewhat embarrassing.
I know both 'sides' of this particular argument and I am quite frankly suprised and a bit sad that this subject is being openly 'debated'. Dirty laundry in public springs to mind. I have a fairly balanced (and unbiased) view to the overall subject in question. It is now wearing a bit thin to say the least to still see this being dug up once more.
May I offer my piece? Can those that wish to question aspects of the challenge do it in private or at least if they feel some sort of fiddle has been perpitrated, go to the proper authorities as opposed to the 'old fish wife, cluck clucking' that has been aired on this site.
If it's a personal problem, then it really appears childish and a bit spineless to do it on an apparently anonymous site. One side is clearly not anonymous. Easy target to a certain degree. I've viewed and followed with a certain amount of horror, the various opinions of some on here and I'm very disappointed. It also appears that those involved know each other so why not use the old fashioned method of phoning or actaully turning up to address feelings aired in public here.
Please dont see this as one taking sides. It's not, it's a general rant over some fundemental issues concerning utter bollox being broadcast on t'internet for no apparent reason.
I know both 'sides' of this particular argument and I am quite frankly suprised and a bit sad that this subject is being openly 'debated'. Dirty laundry in public springs to mind. I have a fairly balanced (and unbiased) view to the overall subject in question. It is now wearing a bit thin to say the least to still see this being dug up once more.
May I offer my piece? Can those that wish to question aspects of the challenge do it in private or at least if they feel some sort of fiddle has been perpitrated, go to the proper authorities as opposed to the 'old fish wife, cluck clucking' that has been aired on this site.
If it's a personal problem, then it really appears childish and a bit spineless to do it on an apparently anonymous site. One side is clearly not anonymous. Easy target to a certain degree. I've viewed and followed with a certain amount of horror, the various opinions of some on here and I'm very disappointed. It also appears that those involved know each other so why not use the old fashioned method of phoning or actaully turning up to address feelings aired in public here.
Please dont see this as one taking sides. It's not, it's a general rant over some fundemental issues concerning utter bollox being broadcast on t'internet for no apparent reason.
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LEGAL NOTIFICATION
There is no person on this Earth, I would not tell all, Face to Face. I'm in Middle Wallop for another week, then i'll be in Dishforth. If you know my phone number, and dare not come and see me, phone me and ask what you like but let me make this very clear once and for all; I have taken Legal Advice this morning over the lies that have been put on this forum and those told to my Command chain, I know the 4 main people on this Forum and WILL take legal action against you if you continue to attack me and my career on this or any other public forums. I am ready to let the Courts decide, I have no mortgage to pay, I can afford my solicitor, can you? I have satisfied an investigation that I have acted in good faith and with the very best intentions for Global Eagle at all times. The idea that I would rip off a charity that supports my children is horrific. This is my legal, public notification. All previous posts are with my solicitor, further post will be evidence that you have seen this notification.
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I have taken my previous post off, I know the person it was intented for has obviously read it from his post on here, there is no more point in slating things that cannot be changed......
I am writing the below as a private message would be unfair seeing I have passed comment in public before....
I have read what you have said BJ and I think we have both got our points across now. I do NOT wish to get into legal battles with you, there will only be tears on both sides.
Looking back at them I may have been a bit unfair to get personal with my postings BUT I do stand by my comments regarding GE. Yes some people have passed comment and neither know you or GE some others have and do.........
One thing I would ask is that you now reply (in person) to those who have been trying to contact you, those who actually did stick by you, helped out, gave their time and effort to the challenge and to you..... They thought they were your friends but you haven't bothered with them, even just to say "Hi" and tell us how YOU are. That's all some of us actually care about.....
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I am writing the below as a private message would be unfair seeing I have passed comment in public before....
I have read what you have said BJ and I think we have both got our points across now. I do NOT wish to get into legal battles with you, there will only be tears on both sides.
Looking back at them I may have been a bit unfair to get personal with my postings BUT I do stand by my comments regarding GE. Yes some people have passed comment and neither know you or GE some others have and do.........
One thing I would ask is that you now reply (in person) to those who have been trying to contact you, those who actually did stick by you, helped out, gave their time and effort to the challenge and to you..... They thought they were your friends but you haven't bothered with them, even just to say "Hi" and tell us how YOU are. That's all some of us actually care about.....
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Fill yer boots.
Autorot8'
As I assume ('Assumption is the brother of all fcuk-ups'! Lock Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels) , you include me in one of your 'main 4', I have also taken the time to re-read and save the complete thread.
As such, I have no problems with you getting IP addresses or whatever you need to get anyone here named and dealt with in the courts should you feel you need to.
I am more than happy with my posts on this forum. Perhaps there are some who may have sounded a bit venomous, but remember this is a RUMOUR network and I would question as to how far this would go in the courts, especially as you have your letter from the CO saying there is nothing untoward going on.
I find it absolutely amazing that people such as your Solicitor, your CO and the SIB have taken such drastic action based on what is basically tale telling, taking the pi$$, having a laugh at someone elses expense or just plain rumour mongering.
Perhaps this is to prevent the thread getting to the 600 posts 
As I assume ('Assumption is the brother of all fcuk-ups'! Lock Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels) , you include me in one of your 'main 4', I have also taken the time to re-read and save the complete thread.
As such, I have no problems with you getting IP addresses or whatever you need to get anyone here named and dealt with in the courts should you feel you need to.
I am more than happy with my posts on this forum. Perhaps there are some who may have sounded a bit venomous, but remember this is a RUMOUR network and I would question as to how far this would go in the courts, especially as you have your letter from the CO saying there is nothing untoward going on.
I find it absolutely amazing that people such as your Solicitor, your CO and the SIB have taken such drastic action based on what is basically tale telling, taking the pi$$, having a laugh at someone elses expense or just plain rumour mongering.
All previous posts are with my solicitor, further post will be evidence that you have seen this notification.
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The PPRuNe community is made up of professional pilots and people from the thousands of other professions and trades that are all a part of one of the most exciting businesses in the world. If you have an interest in the business then you should be reading PPRuNe. After a while you will learn to sort out the 'wheat from the chaff'. The forums are moderated by a team of over 60 volunteers who are involved in the business and have some speciality knowledge of the subject area their forum covers. Our aim is to keep the content relevant and to stop the few troublemakers who are unable to learn 'netiquette' from turning some threads into flame wars.....
The PPRuNe community is made up of professional pilots and people from the thousands of other professions and trades that are all a part of one of the most exciting businesses in the world. If you have an interest in the business then you should be reading PPRuNe. After a while you will learn to sort out the 'wheat from the chaff'. The forums are moderated by a team of over 60 volunteers who are involved in the business and have some speciality knowledge of the subject area their forum covers. Our aim is to keep the content relevant and to stop the few troublemakers who are unable to learn 'netiquette' from turning some threads into flame wars.....
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NOUN: Idle, often sensational and groundless talk about others: gossip, gossipry, hearsay, report, talebearing, tattle, tittle-tattle, word. Slang : scuttlebutt.
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Ouch!...
I have only been away rescuing World Peace
Well actually I got as far as the local Spar shop to get some batteries for my torch as I am not keen on the dark, anyway much to my amazement Spar was shut!! I mean a Spar shop shut..what can we be sure of in this world besides Death and Nurses??
Anyway I digress...wots with all the fightin???
I see fun on this thread if anyone wants to question I think they should PM the person and ask them to answer your questions? You may not like the answer but at least you will get one..Hopefully one day we will get the full story of GE but untill then we will wait quietly children
I have only been away rescuing World Peace
Well actually I got as far as the local Spar shop to get some batteries for my torch as I am not keen on the dark, anyway much to my amazement Spar was shut!! I mean a Spar shop shut..what can we be sure of in this world besides Death and Nurses??
Anyway I digress...wots with all the fightin???
I see fun on this thread if anyone wants to question I think they should PM the person and ask them to answer your questions? You may not like the answer but at least you will get one..Hopefully one day we will get the full story of GE but untill then we will wait quietly children
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The problem is folks;
We all know how rumours start......
We all know how rumours start......
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Sid, I'm having trouble understanding your motives now. You are appearing to jump from one side to another. Banter is one thing (I would guess the main reason for you starting this thread in a 'light hearted manner') but I have read some of your comments and I fail to see any form of banter. For many who have contributed to this thread may have seen it as a light hearted rib tickle will now maybe see the deeper inuendo and reasons for the thread. To attempt to throw off certain things that have been said on here as mere rumour does sound trite. I would suggest that someone appears to have been privy to 'inside' knowledge and has posted directly to that info.
As I have previously said, I do not stand on one side of the camp or the other, I'm just disappointed that blokes on here who do actually know each other and may have worked together and shared a brew, actually go to the lengths they have to shoot down a commendable effort that most (including myself) would never have had the balls to attempt in the first place. Not exactly showing the comradery and respect for each other that the forces are famous for to a public that doesnt need to know such matters.
(Autorot8, check PMs).
As I have previously said, I do not stand on one side of the camp or the other, I'm just disappointed that blokes on here who do actually know each other and may have worked together and shared a brew, actually go to the lengths they have to shoot down a commendable effort that most (including myself) would never have had the balls to attempt in the first place. Not exactly showing the comradery and respect for each other that the forces are famous for to a public that doesnt need to know such matters.
(Autorot8, check PMs).
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wg13_dummy,
As you are aware, any 'insider dealing' would not be possible from my position, as my one visit to the GE Ops setup showed me anyway. Although I have had many PMs about GE and certain rumours told to me, I have not posted based on them. However those PMing me have made their own posts.
Do you really think I have someone based in India or in fact anywhere on Barrys route reporting back to me?
(At one stage even Barry did!)
As for instances such as my post on 26th August 2004 at 00:30 of GE flying past the Sydney Opera House, here, and then on 1st September 2004 at 09:17, Autorot8 says " I didn't want to simply pack up and come home so I will be flying the Eagle to Sydney." was purely Rumour mongering, speculation and making up a good tale.
It would seem strange that I would be able to dictate what GE would be doing a week in advance don't you think? How would that work?
It was was said earlier, "Isn't it strange how Barry and SS never publish at the same time....."
As for
May I suggest you read the thread and not just 'some' of it.
Perhaps Flying Lawyer would be able to shed some light, if he has the time?
I would suggest that someone appears to have been privy to 'inside' knowledge and has posted directly to that info.
Do you really think I have someone based in India or in fact anywhere on Barrys route reporting back to me?
(At one stage even Barry did!)
As for instances such as my post on 26th August 2004 at 00:30 of GE flying past the Sydney Opera House, here, and then on 1st September 2004 at 09:17, Autorot8 says " I didn't want to simply pack up and come home so I will be flying the Eagle to Sydney." was purely Rumour mongering, speculation and making up a good tale.
It would seem strange that I would be able to dictate what GE would be doing a week in advance don't you think? How would that work?
It was was said earlier, "Isn't it strange how Barry and SS never publish at the same time....."
As for
I have read some of your comments and I fail to see any form of banter.
Perhaps Flying Lawyer would be able to shed some light, if he has the time?
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Perhaps Flying Lawyer would be able to shed some light, if he has the time?
Umm I guess Autorot8 will not post again on this thread as no doubt he has had legal advice that anything he says may prejudice any forthcoming action??
But I wait with baited breath to hear the wisdom of Mr Flying Lawyer..please don't disapoint me
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At least once a month some character appears at my desk with the inevitable clip board and asks " will you sponsor me to do xxxx". Just for the sake of a bit of peace and quiet I'll say "yes,ok, I'll give you £x ", and promptly forget about it.
Some weeks later said character will reappear and ask for his dosh which in good faith I hand over. On rare occasions an individual will advise that he couldn't complete the 50 mile hike or whatever because he broke an arm or a leg or keeled over with heat exhaustion. Because he or she has given it a go I'll still cough up and out of interest ask how much he or she has made for his chosen charity.
Normally these people do not have the benefit of a thread on PPRuNe to advertise their endeavours.
In the case of Global Eagle, SS created a thread to highlight a great adventure. It was the job of Autorot8 to fly the beast around the world and the responsibilty of others to keep the public informed of progress. Unfortunately this was not readily forthcoming and was left to others to contemplate what was actually going on.
Now, I may be naive but I would have thought that some of the sponsorship money would have to be used to fund the running of the project. The pilot has said that he has lost a considerable amount funding the project ( the considerable amount being his house ) which would suggest that the whole project was underfunded.
Now as an interested onlooker I don't give a toss whether or not the aircraft was licensed or whether it was beyond repair.
If someone at GE was to make a statement " Sorry folks..we didn't make a feckin bean " then that is fine, regrettable, but fine.
What is pissing everyone off is the sound of silence from those at GE who should have been keeping everyone informed.
A statement to the effect that the project has been abandoned due to bad weather is hardly satisfactory.
Sorry, rant over
Edited for punctuation correction.
Some weeks later said character will reappear and ask for his dosh which in good faith I hand over. On rare occasions an individual will advise that he couldn't complete the 50 mile hike or whatever because he broke an arm or a leg or keeled over with heat exhaustion. Because he or she has given it a go I'll still cough up and out of interest ask how much he or she has made for his chosen charity.
Normally these people do not have the benefit of a thread on PPRuNe to advertise their endeavours.
In the case of Global Eagle, SS created a thread to highlight a great adventure. It was the job of Autorot8 to fly the beast around the world and the responsibilty of others to keep the public informed of progress. Unfortunately this was not readily forthcoming and was left to others to contemplate what was actually going on.
Now, I may be naive but I would have thought that some of the sponsorship money would have to be used to fund the running of the project. The pilot has said that he has lost a considerable amount funding the project ( the considerable amount being his house ) which would suggest that the whole project was underfunded.
Now as an interested onlooker I don't give a toss whether or not the aircraft was licensed or whether it was beyond repair.
If someone at GE was to make a statement " Sorry folks..we didn't make a feckin bean " then that is fine, regrettable, but fine.
What is pissing everyone off is the sound of silence from those at GE who should have been keeping everyone informed.
A statement to the effect that the project has been abandoned due to bad weather is hardly satisfactory.
Sorry, rant over
Edited for punctuation correction.
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In conclusion
Must of read this thread so many times now and guess we are at the point where it looks like it has come to a natural end. When normaly very mellow and funny people like sid and echo5 are getting wound up by goings on then it is time to quit. It looks like we will never get to know what is realy going on and whatever is going to happen to the money. As we have been told, it is none of our buisness. Just because you gave money to charity does not give you the right to know it got there.
When people go to the lenth of posting legal notices on threads like this then it becomes a different matter. Upon checking it seems that since this is a "user subscribed forum" and not in the "public domain" then it is totaly inadmisable in a court of law. The only time it would be of use would be to try and bring a private civil prosecution against any said party. The only problem being is that said parties must of used Christian names and implied matters of an untruthfull or desolutery nature. Any allegations of fraud etc would have to bee investigated prior to any action being taken. Basicaly you legal notice aint worth the effort it took to type it and you need to get better advice fram your legal eagles!. P.S. you need to know who you are taking action against in the first place!!! serving notice to a forum handle is verging on the ridiculous!
People can rant and rave about things till the cows come home. They can front up and spin a line in bulls**t so thick that they start to belive it themselves. You can look inside yourself and find the person there is not who you want to be or pretend that you are. Turn your back and walk away, stick your head in the sand.
Never forget the words" you can fool some of the people all of the time , you can fool all of the people some of the time".When they say time is the great healer you ask yourself" how long have i got?"
Never forget that accountability will be your sword of Damocles and it is there and you all will have to face it
When people go to the lenth of posting legal notices on threads like this then it becomes a different matter. Upon checking it seems that since this is a "user subscribed forum" and not in the "public domain" then it is totaly inadmisable in a court of law. The only time it would be of use would be to try and bring a private civil prosecution against any said party. The only problem being is that said parties must of used Christian names and implied matters of an untruthfull or desolutery nature. Any allegations of fraud etc would have to bee investigated prior to any action being taken. Basicaly you legal notice aint worth the effort it took to type it and you need to get better advice fram your legal eagles!. P.S. you need to know who you are taking action against in the first place!!! serving notice to a forum handle is verging on the ridiculous!
People can rant and rave about things till the cows come home. They can front up and spin a line in bulls**t so thick that they start to belive it themselves. You can look inside yourself and find the person there is not who you want to be or pretend that you are. Turn your back and walk away, stick your head in the sand.
Never forget the words" you can fool some of the people all of the time , you can fool all of the people some of the time".When they say time is the great healer you ask yourself" how long have i got?"
Never forget that accountability will be your sword of Damocles and it is there and you all will have to face it
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Nicely put ML,
As far as Autorot8 s 'legal notification' is concerned, I would have thought the wording would have been a little more articulate, for it to be considered a formal notice.
Phrases such as;
"I have no mortgage to pay, I can afford my solicitor, can you?"
"If you know my phone number, and dare not come and see me, phone me and ask what you like but let me make this very clear once and for all;..."
...do not seem, IMHO, to be formal or indeed legal speak at all.
For a start, I don't know how much his solicitor is charging, so I am unable to answer that question.
However, just incase I am mistaken,
, in compliance with Autos request,
"I know the 4 main people on this Forum and WILL take legal action against you if you continue to attack me and my career on this or any other public forums."
This post is in no way to be considered an attack on him or his career
Autorot8, I do not know your number and am unable to come and see you, but it would be nice to see a photo of the autogyro in its sad state in India. Some others may like to see a copy of the permit to fly, I don't know.
(I am fully aware you do not have to justify yourself to us, however, wouldn't it clear the air once and for all? If this does go further, 'all' the dirty washing 'will' have to come out.)
We have had photos from the rest of the journey, but all that is missing now is the final part. Like someone ripping out the last chapter of the book you've been reading for the past few weeks.
By the way, when is the book due out?
This post is in no way to be considered an attack on autorot8 or his career.
SS
As far as Autorot8 s 'legal notification' is concerned, I would have thought the wording would have been a little more articulate, for it to be considered a formal notice.
Phrases such as;
"I have no mortgage to pay, I can afford my solicitor, can you?"
"If you know my phone number, and dare not come and see me, phone me and ask what you like but let me make this very clear once and for all;..."
...do not seem, IMHO, to be formal or indeed legal speak at all.
For a start, I don't know how much his solicitor is charging, so I am unable to answer that question.
However, just incase I am mistaken,
, in compliance with Autos request,"I know the 4 main people on this Forum and WILL take legal action against you if you continue to attack me and my career on this or any other public forums."
This post is in no way to be considered an attack on him or his career
Autorot8, I do not know your number and am unable to come and see you, but it would be nice to see a photo of the autogyro in its sad state in India. Some others may like to see a copy of the permit to fly, I don't know.
(I am fully aware you do not have to justify yourself to us, however, wouldn't it clear the air once and for all? If this does go further, 'all' the dirty washing 'will' have to come out.)
We have had photos from the rest of the journey, but all that is missing now is the final part. Like someone ripping out the last chapter of the book you've been reading for the past few weeks.
By the way, when is the book due out?
This post is in no way to be considered an attack on autorot8 or his career.
SS
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I've quite enjoyed the banter here and never took any of it seriously. Why anyone would I don't know - maybe some of the tale will end up in the "I wish I hadn't said that" thread.
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I've quite enjoyed the banter here and never took any of it seriously. Why anyone would I don't know - maybe some of the tale will end up in the "I wish I hadn't said that" thread.
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Bad taste
I dont know where this picture or person posting it has come from but feel we would be best served if you went back there. When you get up every day just be thankful that it is not you in the picture. Sorry to rant but some things realy get my back up and picking fun at diabled people is one of them.
Thanks for the PM, Legit, glad you are on side!!!!
Apparently a legal notice posted anywhere , by anybody, has no standing what so ever if the posting person is not qualified to post it!. Sounds like more Global E b.s then.
Over to you hotshot-track me through my IP and then do your worst.
All coments are alleged and based on unratified facts. No responsibility is taken for any of the written material. Any similarity between Autorot8 and any characters living or dead is purley coincidental.
Thanks for the PM, Legit, glad you are on side!!!!
Apparently a legal notice posted anywhere , by anybody, has no standing what so ever if the posting person is not qualified to post it!. Sounds like more Global E b.s then.
Over to you hotshot-track me through my IP and then do your worst.
All coments are alleged and based on unratified facts. No responsibility is taken for any of the written material. Any similarity between Autorot8 and any characters living or dead is purley coincidental.
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As the offending picture has been deleted by wishtobflying,(thank you), the last few posts 'kind of lose it'. However, to see the 'cut of his jib', the pic, if you want to, can be seen here
Maybe if the last sentence was,
"Even if you lose, you are still special",
I wouldn't have found it so offensive.
On this thread, perhaps the Oath of the Special Olympics would be more apt.
http://www.specialolympics.org/Speci...te/default.htm
This post is in no way to be considered an attack on autorot8 or his carer.
Edited to add the pic link, in order toallow the thread to flow.
Maybe if the last sentence was,
"Even if you lose, you are still special",
I wouldn't have found it so offensive.
On this thread, perhaps the Oath of the Special Olympics would be more apt.
http://www.specialolympics.org/Speci...te/default.htm
This post is in no way to be considered an attack on autorot8 or his carer.
Edited to add the pic link, in order toallow the thread to flow.
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I missed the picture posted by wishtobflying, but it seems it was in bad taste so I aint missing anything
Anyway back on track... I still think this thread has not come to a natural end, I honestly believe that Autorot8 will post the pictures and other relevent details, I think untill he has had chance to do so we can judge then..Over to you autrorot8 your chance to silence the critics? thats if you are allowed to.
If not will we have to wait for the book and if so when is that due to be published.
I for one wish this had panned out better. I am sure with SS's banter and help in bringing this trip to the notice of many it would have been great if it had finished on a high.
Anyway that didnt happen and we will get the full story one day.
Anyway back on track... I still think this thread has not come to a natural end, I honestly believe that Autorot8 will post the pictures and other relevent details, I think untill he has had chance to do so we can judge then..Over to you autrorot8 your chance to silence the critics? thats if you are allowed to.
If not will we have to wait for the book and if so when is that due to be published.
I for one wish this had panned out better. I am sure with SS's banter and help in bringing this trip to the notice of many it would have been great if it had finished on a high.
Anyway that didnt happen and we will get the full story one day.
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was discussing this thread with a mate whilst flying today and the conclusion that he came up with got me thinking. The reason that barry has not posted the truth on this or any other web site, including his own, is because he has not yet come to terms with what he is and what he has done. It is hard to face up to the truth and somtimes it realy hurts. Nevertheless you can only sugar coat things so much. Anybody who gets money given to them to give to sombody in need but keeps it themself is a fraud and a cheat and future intention counts for nothing in a court of law. Can you imagine?-i was going to give the money back at the end of the month-ronnie biggs! yes it is that silly.
Threatening playground civil legal action is hardly the actions of an innocent man, if you have the money for that then why not just give it to the charities it was donated to in the first place!
Nothing in this message is directed to any persons living or dead called barry or autorot8.
Threatening playground civil legal action is hardly the actions of an innocent man, if you have the money for that then why not just give it to the charities it was donated to in the first place!
Nothing in this message is directed to any persons living or dead called barry or autorot8.
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