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Gents,
I know I am starting to sound like a broken record
but I strongly disagree with not escalating.
I have just read the ALAEA notice posted today regarding
our EBA and I feel that based on past experience we
cannot deal with QF management in "good faith".
Every time we have we have gotten smashed.
All we are doing is giving them time to get organized
to beat us.
Act now and keep the momentum. Do not let QF dictate
the time table for negotiations to us. You just don't know
what these people have up their sleeves.
Don't give them more time to hire strikebreakers,
Don't give them more time to outsource.
Don't give them time to alter schedules.
Hit them hard now.
Don't give Dixon room to manouver, He is just
too dangerous
Maintain the rage!!!!!
I know I am starting to sound like a broken record
but I strongly disagree with not escalating.
I have just read the ALAEA notice posted today regarding
our EBA and I feel that based on past experience we
cannot deal with QF management in "good faith".
Every time we have we have gotten smashed.
All we are doing is giving them time to get organized
to beat us.
Act now and keep the momentum. Do not let QF dictate
the time table for negotiations to us. You just don't know
what these people have up their sleeves.
Don't give them more time to hire strikebreakers,
Don't give them more time to outsource.
Don't give them time to alter schedules.
Hit them hard now.
Don't give Dixon room to manouver, He is just
too dangerous
Maintain the rage!!!!!
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You be careful young Stephen, read every word in any document they present.
Think about how it could be misconstrued.
I do not want to hear the words, "but we meant this, not that.
They have done it for 30 years.
I don't trust them.
Think about how it could be misconstrued.
I do not want to hear the words, "but we meant this, not that.
They have done it for 30 years.
I don't trust them.
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IF you're not happy, leave.
Do us a favor and leave this thread.
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How about a full page ad in all the papers for frequent fliers to march with the lames in two weeks on corporate qcc.
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Why did I bother looking 
SCHAIRBUS said
Any word on the stuff up, another Ansett?
This message is hidden because Pass-A-Frozo is back on your ignore list again.
QF planning went into meltdown today over possible compliance breaches, 767 fleet is having serious issues.
Tuesday is expected to be crunch day when many planes could be grounded what a mess!
Tuesday is expected to be crunch day when many planes could be grounded what a mess!
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This has probably been mentioned before and I missed it, why aren't we having national 4 hour stop work meetings? That would bring the network to a standstill and QF would not be able to bring enough scabs to work.
Also guys, don't reply to anything PAF says or even acknowledge his posts. He obviously has no life other than baiting hard working, professional LAMEs after a fair deal for their families. KEEP THE FAITH - PPM is our bible too.
Also guys, don't reply to anything PAF says or even acknowledge his posts. He obviously has no life other than baiting hard working, professional LAMEs after a fair deal for their families. KEEP THE FAITH - PPM is our bible too.
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Be patient brothers. We won't win this from the grass.
You didn't have to. It is a legal requirement we must meet at all times or our bargaining period could be cancelled.
This is not about bravado, it is about moving towards our objectives one step at a time. Please don't profess moves that would have us trip up only to fall flat on our faces. Next time come along to the meetings, listen in and get with he program.
didn't vote yes for good faith
This is not about bravado, it is about moving towards our objectives one step at a time. Please don't profess moves that would have us trip up only to fall flat on our faces. Next time come along to the meetings, listen in and get with he program.
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my concern is the longer we wait the more divided we might become. At the moment the troops are holding fast,but if an extremely long winded battle ensures ,We may just get bogged down like Naploean at Waterloo.dont wait for the winter rains.I fully support the A.l.A.E.A,but surely even SP must be getting jack of this one more meeting business.
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SP would love for this to be resolved with a good result for LAMEs yesterday. I would love my phone to stop ringing from 0600 to midnight every day. It would make my life so much easier but that is not what this is about. Every LAME will feel some pain in order to obtain the ultimate gain. Some will hurt more than others and yes management will try and wear our members out. That doesn't mean we must rush in and make foolish moves, this is the real trap. We will play his game by our terms, not theirs.
Prepare to be patient. Then be patient.
Prepare to be patient. Then be patient.
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Thank you ALAEA
It's been said before, but I will say it again.
To all the ALAEA exec
Thanks for your efforts and time.
Keep up the good work.
Love not doing ot and spending time with family and friends. (now that they don't do ot either!!
)
To all the ALAEA exec
Thanks for your efforts and time.
Keep up the good work.
Love not doing ot and spending time with family and friends. (now that they don't do ot either!!
)
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Don't worry about us becoming divided by a long campaign.
As long as our common enemy continues to hurl lies and abuse it just makes us more steadfast every day.
One guy I work with who hasn't really been "into" this action is slowly becoming as steadfast as the rest........the disgraceful lack of respect and constant patronising and threats exhibited, particularly by DC, MH, & KM is losing this battle for QF....big time.
The best thing QF could do if they wanted to divide and conquer would be to sack all three of them pronto and actually start to charm and woo the LAMEs.....
hint hint.......
Good work SP. It sounds like Dick-son has eaten a morsel or two of humble pie and has retreated to bake another whilst selecting which managers to p-prune...........
Either that or they're taking some time-out to sharpen their suicide daggers.....because if they don't deal with us pronto (ie, pay up) they will be needing them when the instos come calling..........
Trust me, the instos will not be happy when they see their frequent flyer stock market float wrecked by all the members tearing up their cards........
....and it does happen....ask British Airways!!!
As long as our common enemy continues to hurl lies and abuse it just makes us more steadfast every day.
One guy I work with who hasn't really been "into" this action is slowly becoming as steadfast as the rest........the disgraceful lack of respect and constant patronising and threats exhibited, particularly by DC, MH, & KM is losing this battle for QF....big time.
The best thing QF could do if they wanted to divide and conquer would be to sack all three of them pronto and actually start to charm and woo the LAMEs.....
hint hint.......
Good work SP. It sounds like Dick-son has eaten a morsel or two of humble pie and has retreated to bake another whilst selecting which managers to p-prune...........
Either that or they're taking some time-out to sharpen their suicide daggers.....because if they don't deal with us pronto (ie, pay up) they will be needing them when the instos come calling..........
Trust me, the instos will not be happy when they see their frequent flyer stock market float wrecked by all the members tearing up their cards........
....and it does happen....ask British Airways!!!
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it looks like management are on the ropes,time to start tweaking the claims of the EBA UP. i don't think 5% will cut it any more,how about rolling in that pay freeze that we had to cop for 18 months post 911,all good will should now be gone,oh yeah and one for the men and women from H245 ,how about i request/phonecall from Qantas management to return you back to the fold because it is apparent they cannot longer cope with the work loads with the current number of LAME's employed
SMH
Worst fears realised as three flights grounded
Paul Bibby
June 6, 2008
WHEN John Lindsay arrived at Sydney Airport last night he was not optimistic that his flight would leave on time - in fact he feared the plane might never get off the tarmac.
The company director was one of a number of passengers put through a day-long game of musical chairs on Wednesday, as QF21 to Tokyo was delayed, delayed again, and then cancelled entirely.
"When we got there they said: 'There's a small technical problem, it'll be a short delay - we're just waiting for the engineers,"' Mr Lindsay, 46, said. "It was hours later when we eventually got on the plane. Then about 30 minutes after that they said: 'Sorry, the engineers need to do something which requires you to get off the plane, it'll just be a few minutes."'
Thirty minutes later they were told the flight had missed its curfew window and had been cancelled.
The passengers of QF21 were not alone in their frustration. Yesterday a Qantas flight to Singapore was grounded, a flight from Brisbane to Los Angeles was delayed for 13 hours and a Sydney to Auckland service was cancelled.
It has heightened fears Qantas's international operations are on the verge of total breakdown.
Smh.com.au was inundated with emails from furious Qantas passengers, many of whom vowed to tear up their frequent flyer cards.
"Bring on Emirates, bring on Singapore Airlines - while Qantas's fat-cat executives give themselves another pay-rise, we get shafted," one customer wrote.
The worsening delays have coincided with the dispute between Qantas management and the company's engineers. Industry sources told the Herald that overtime bans imposed by the engineers are the straw which has broken the airline's very fragile back.
SMH
Worst fears realised as three flights grounded
Paul Bibby
June 6, 2008
WHEN John Lindsay arrived at Sydney Airport last night he was not optimistic that his flight would leave on time - in fact he feared the plane might never get off the tarmac.
The company director was one of a number of passengers put through a day-long game of musical chairs on Wednesday, as QF21 to Tokyo was delayed, delayed again, and then cancelled entirely.
"When we got there they said: 'There's a small technical problem, it'll be a short delay - we're just waiting for the engineers,"' Mr Lindsay, 46, said. "It was hours later when we eventually got on the plane. Then about 30 minutes after that they said: 'Sorry, the engineers need to do something which requires you to get off the plane, it'll just be a few minutes."'
Thirty minutes later they were told the flight had missed its curfew window and had been cancelled.
The passengers of QF21 were not alone in their frustration. Yesterday a Qantas flight to Singapore was grounded, a flight from Brisbane to Los Angeles was delayed for 13 hours and a Sydney to Auckland service was cancelled.
It has heightened fears Qantas's international operations are on the verge of total breakdown.
Smh.com.au was inundated with emails from furious Qantas passengers, many of whom vowed to tear up their frequent flyer cards.
"Bring on Emirates, bring on Singapore Airlines - while Qantas's fat-cat executives give themselves another pay-rise, we get shafted," one customer wrote.
The worsening delays have coincided with the dispute between Qantas management and the company's engineers. Industry sources told the Herald that overtime bans imposed by the engineers are the straw which has broken the airline's very fragile back.
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Not much point bringingthe guys back....rumour early last week was that the reason 245 is being cleared out is JHAS have leased it.
Hey boys, you can come back to 245 with a better employer on better wages.........and do your old jobs!!!
Hey boys, you can come back to 245 with a better employer on better wages.........and do your old jobs!!!
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Qantas used to have 33000 people working for it. Now it has 33000 people working against it !! Is it another ANSETT in the making?? Oh well, at least the the executives got the most out of it's carcass
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I get the feeling management is pushing the boundaries of their own
harassment policy, what right could QF have to demand lames work in a
foreign country under the threat of loss of pay if he refuses.
It should be an interesting day on the BNE ramp tomorrow.
These bullying tactics could add to the already high stress levels and push
one into making a poor decision, or worse, a technical error.
Major human factor implications with the increasing bully boy tactics.
harassment policy, what right could QF have to demand lames work in a
foreign country under the threat of loss of pay if he refuses.
It should be an interesting day on the BNE ramp tomorrow.
These bullying tactics could add to the already high stress levels and push
one into making a poor decision, or worse, a technical error.
Major human factor implications with the increasing bully boy tactics.
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it appears to me that all the current delays and cancellations, disgruntle pax etc, is all the cause of severe miss management! it has nothing to do with the current industrial action! just make sure the public knows that!
management has done more damage to the company than industrial action ever could! industrial action usually causes upset pax they whinge for a bit, then go on their way know it will all back to normal soon, whereas what happening now is totally destroying customer loyalty, as disgruntled pax know that the delays situation is caused by lack of staff, lack off staff respect for the company etc, something that will take a VERY long time to repair! and the pax WILL choose another airline and not look back.
management has done more damage to the company than industrial action ever could! industrial action usually causes upset pax they whinge for a bit, then go on their way know it will all back to normal soon, whereas what happening now is totally destroying customer loyalty, as disgruntled pax know that the delays situation is caused by lack of staff, lack off staff respect for the company etc, something that will take a VERY long time to repair! and the pax WILL choose another airline and not look back.
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Be patient? Mate, this is the first improvement in staff moral for years. SP, you take as long as you like, the troops are uniting more as the dispute goes on. We can go on for ages like this.
As for Management: The longer it goes on, the more of them will be sacked when it is over. Look at the London terminal thing, as soon as it was sorted, the manager was booted. And that was only a couple of day’s worth of delays. Even if the dispute was magically sorted out tomorrow, some management would still go.
If MH, JV and cocks are smart, their resumes are out already. It is easier to get a job if you haven’t just been in the paper for getting the boot from you last job.
(Note.. Hey PAF. Is it true you joined the air force about 12 or 15 years ago and told them you wanted to be a fighter pilot. Is it also true you never made it?)
As for Management: The longer it goes on, the more of them will be sacked when it is over. Look at the London terminal thing, as soon as it was sorted, the manager was booted. And that was only a couple of day’s worth of delays. Even if the dispute was magically sorted out tomorrow, some management would still go.
If MH, JV and cocks are smart, their resumes are out already. It is easier to get a job if you haven’t just been in the paper for getting the boot from you last job.
(Note.. Hey PAF. Is it true you joined the air force about 12 or 15 years ago and told them you wanted to be a fighter pilot. Is it also true you never made it?)
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Considering G.D.'s immortal words,
Mr Dixon said yesterday that there would be no meetings with union representatives as long as the threat of industrial action hung over his airline.
"And you can quote me on that,'' he said.
After taking a few pawns and a bishop,
Could we claim to have him in the check
(cheque, lol) position?
And when will his queen (D.C.) fall.
Mr Dixon said yesterday that there would be no meetings with union representatives as long as the threat of industrial action hung over his airline.
"And you can quote me on that,'' he said.
After taking a few pawns and a bishop,
Could we claim to have him in the check
(cheque, lol) position?
And when will his queen (D.C.) fall.