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Hi All. In order to prevent this thread drifting into a verbal slanging match, may I suggest adding the following users to your ignore list.
ACARS747
amos2
chanel1234
HotDog
LAMEA380
lordofthewings
Pass-A-Frozo
Pilot Error
rogueLAME
wingers
None of the above contribute anything worthwhile to the thread and simply post to stir people into abuse. Block them, stay cool!
ACARS747
amos2
chanel1234
HotDog
LAMEA380
lordofthewings
Pass-A-Frozo
Pilot Error
rogueLAME
wingers
None of the above contribute anything worthwhile to the thread and simply post to stir people into abuse. Block them, stay cool!
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The current problems with the fleet serviceability was always
going to happen. Get rid of heavy maint, get rid of staff, shed
contracts, cut everything to the bone, these are all the making
of the management seeking short term gains and bigger bonuses.
Lame's taking back their days off have just highlighted the deep
rooted problems.
Hard to feel sorry for GD, DC, MH, et al. They all need to look in
the mirror and stop trying to blame everything on the lame's taking
back their rostered days off.
And next time provide the courtesy of a paid meeting with essential
staff on duty. To force the lames into a stop work meeting was the
pinacle of stupidity with the workloads so high.
going to happen. Get rid of heavy maint, get rid of staff, shed
contracts, cut everything to the bone, these are all the making
of the management seeking short term gains and bigger bonuses.
Lame's taking back their days off have just highlighted the deep
rooted problems.
Hard to feel sorry for GD, DC, MH, et al. They all need to look in
the mirror and stop trying to blame everything on the lame's taking
back their rostered days off.
And next time provide the courtesy of a paid meeting with essential
staff on duty. To force the lames into a stop work meeting was the
pinacle of stupidity with the workloads so high.
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Overheard my manager had a meeting that included some top guys..eg KB - the People Manager extroadinaire. Apparently the top guys had no idea of how bad the weekend was. The goss was that DC was the one passing the info upwards over the weekend, and umm, coated it in sugar!
Also heard phone calls being placed around to the airports on how much they are spending on taxi vouchers/hotel accom/meal vouchers etc. Looks like they are starting to look at the cost of this all. Lots of people around the office saying that this has already cost HEAPS more than it would have cost to pay the extra 2%. But all agree that di*kson has painted himself into a corner.
It was a bit quiet the last couple of hours tonight (compared to the weekend). Only the 12 ex LAX overnighting. The planes fixing themselves all of a sudden?!
I nearly forgot...only take 5...you deserve it..stay strong
Also heard phone calls being placed around to the airports on how much they are spending on taxi vouchers/hotel accom/meal vouchers etc. Looks like they are starting to look at the cost of this all. Lots of people around the office saying that this has already cost HEAPS more than it would have cost to pay the extra 2%. But all agree that di*kson has painted himself into a corner.
It was a bit quiet the last couple of hours tonight (compared to the weekend). Only the 12 ex LAX overnighting. The planes fixing themselves all of a sudden?!
I nearly forgot...only take 5...you deserve it..stay strong
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Hey brothers in regards to channel1234...coming from the UK. lets remember that the labour govt. would not allow 457visa holders to break our PIA. I'd say he's just a s..t stirer just winding you up for a reaction.
To DC about our deplorable actions of going slow.
. Sorry dude just not working through my mealbreaks anymore.Not going slow just can't do the same work with less manpower (ie no OT) Its simple maths.
To DC about our deplorable actions of going slow.
. Sorry dude just not working through my mealbreaks anymore.Not going slow just can't do the same work with less manpower (ie no OT) Its simple maths.
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Delays continue...
Well it looks like OJH is the jewel in the crown tonight, arrived off schedule due to the previous delayed departure on the strike day only have it fail on departure tonight at 2035....Engine one Hung start and engine control msg....
Isolated down to a pump & governor PAG change and FMU change....interesting to note that the aircraft ACARS a PLF of an FMU failure on start ex SIN QF32.....So even with a curfew dispensation it didnt make it out, rescheduled to depart at 1030am Local tomorrow....
The hotel and taxi bills must be sky high and all of this related to outsourcing, old cheap repairs on components and aircraft to save 50c only to have it cost millions...
Not to mention the tarnished name Qantas is getting with passengers.....
Management accountability? They all think that they have done no wrong, they have and believe that saving on the short term & earning a budget bonus is worth more than the sustainiblity of the operation. It proves that all of Engineering management firmly believe that they are not responsible for any of these delay or short falls in the PPM...
Isolated down to a pump & governor PAG change and FMU change....interesting to note that the aircraft ACARS a PLF of an FMU failure on start ex SIN QF32.....So even with a curfew dispensation it didnt make it out, rescheduled to depart at 1030am Local tomorrow....
The hotel and taxi bills must be sky high and all of this related to outsourcing, old cheap repairs on components and aircraft to save 50c only to have it cost millions...
Not to mention the tarnished name Qantas is getting with passengers.....
Management accountability? They all think that they have done no wrong, they have and believe that saving on the short term & earning a budget bonus is worth more than the sustainiblity of the operation. It proves that all of Engineering management firmly believe that they are not responsible for any of these delay or short falls in the PPM...
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Has Dixon Blinked?
Word has it that a major institutional investor, possibly JP Morgan, spoke to Dixon yesterday. Too many of their high fliers haven't been going anywhere of late / missing meetings, apparently. That was the antidotal evidence they needed to front Dixon as it was at odds with the 'spin' that Qantas fed the stockmarket / public. (Only minor delays, engineers on a go-slow, etc, etc)
It might have been what has forced Dixon to agree to meet the ALAEA. It certainly isn't out of respect or goodwill that he has agree to meet, if he has indeed agreed to a meeting. If there is a meeting, will have to ask SP if there are any traces of blood around the bully's nose.
It might have been what has forced Dixon to agree to meet the ALAEA. It certainly isn't out of respect or goodwill that he has agree to meet, if he has indeed agreed to a meeting. If there is a meeting, will have to ask SP if there are any traces of blood around the bully's nose.
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Next time you ring maintenance watch, say hi to one of the big bosses. See if they can put you on speaker phone.
People high up are hanging around maint watch to see if the can spot any LAME’s sabotaging aircraft. What a joke.
It is probably good they are there. They might see the real state of QE.
People high up are hanging around maint watch to see if the can spot any LAME’s sabotaging aircraft. What a joke.
It is probably good they are there. They might see the real state of QE.
Can I just suggest that please be very careful what you post on here, as you have been doing to date?
You might like to consider what might happen if someone really "bites" when a troll posts here (like C1234, complete with Americanisms and Australianisms), so no threats please.
Kotoyebe:
If this is indeed true, that would be consistent with my theory about narcissists in management (and of course it's only a theory, I'm not a shrink.) These people would always feed sugar coated information upwards, and those at the top would expect it anyway. That way the blame when things go wrong attaches to the sugar coaters, not the Boss, because he was deliberately misinformed.
My guess is that at some stage, if (when?) things get uncomfortable enough, you are going to be offered a meeting with QF management, and I'm going to make a prediction about it......
.....It will be either with Mr. Cox and retinue, or Mr. Dixon and retinue, but not both, ever again.
The reason is that if you win this, Mr. Cox is going to get fired. Either Dixon will make Cox fix it before he fires him, or he will deliberately exclude Cox from further negotiations, then take credit for fixing it himself, and then tell Cox to leave because he has "lost the confidence of the Board".
Of course I could be wrong. Perhaps Dixon and Cox will come to you on bended knees, offer you six percent, offer all remaining QF staff much the same, thank you for showing them the error of their ways, and promise never to be so stupid again....but hell will freeze over first.
"Look after the shareholders" my arse!
You might like to consider what might happen if someone really "bites" when a troll posts here (like C1234, complete with Americanisms and Australianisms), so no threats please.
Kotoyebe:
Apparently the top guys had no idea of how bad the weekend was. The goss was that DC was the one passing the info upwards over the weekend, and umm, coated it in sugar!
My guess is that at some stage, if (when?) things get uncomfortable enough, you are going to be offered a meeting with QF management, and I'm going to make a prediction about it......
.....It will be either with Mr. Cox and retinue, or Mr. Dixon and retinue, but not both, ever again.
The reason is that if you win this, Mr. Cox is going to get fired. Either Dixon will make Cox fix it before he fires him, or he will deliberately exclude Cox from further negotiations, then take credit for fixing it himself, and then tell Cox to leave because he has "lost the confidence of the Board".
Of course I could be wrong. Perhaps Dixon and Cox will come to you on bended knees, offer you six percent, offer all remaining QF staff much the same, thank you for showing them the error of their ways, and promise never to be so stupid again....but hell will freeze over first.
"Look after the shareholders" my arse!
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Goodwill
Well MH has certainly changed the culture of the workplace forever. Even after the war the results of this PIA will last a generation.
If management think that waving a little cash in front of me now to make up, will turn back the clock think again. I'm enjoying my little fox hole or should I say pigeon hole where management put people.
They have lost the goodwill of the lame its gone!!!!
Qf now have a CORPORATE Lame culture just like the corporation we work for.
Minimum investment and maximum return.
Let the PIA roll on forever!!!
If management think that waving a little cash in front of me now to make up, will turn back the clock think again. I'm enjoying my little fox hole or should I say pigeon hole where management put people.
They have lost the goodwill of the lame its gone!!!!
Qf now have a CORPORATE Lame culture just like the corporation we work for.
Minimum investment and maximum return.
Let the PIA roll on forever!!!
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Management told us last year that if we were to reject 3% and the loaded clauses, things would never be the same again.
To bloody right, we have learnt so much about them and know we can stand up for ourselves.
We now have our pride back.
To bloody right, we have learnt so much about them and know we can stand up for ourselves.
We now have our pride back.
No threats
Well said sunfish,
all we have to do is stick to the facts,no need to abuse or accuse people.
There are plenty of others out there making things up as they go along to try and get attention to their cause-however the truth will come out and then watch them duck and weave to try and distance themselves from all the lies/innuendo.
all we have to do is stick to the facts,no need to abuse or accuse people.
There are plenty of others out there making things up as they go along to try and get attention to their cause-however the truth will come out and then watch them duck and weave to try and distance themselves from all the lies/innuendo.
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Short Circuit said
Yep, we sure do. I haven't seen people so happy to be at work in years, we once again have the time to actually fix all the defects instead of frantically worrying about departure times and figuring out which defects are allowed to be deferred!!!!
Even most of the supervisors and DMM's have stopped the bullying......I say MOST.....CY and MS will be long remembered.......
That now legendary toolbox meeting will go down in history..........
One of the bullied has stood up to the bully and as the bully stands back up with a bloodied nose he sees that ALL the bullied ( ie all the staff...not just LAMEs) have gathered around and all HIS friends are running away...........
Bye Bye DC
Bye Bye MH
Bye Bye KM
GOOD RIDDANCE
then in a few months
Bye Bye GD......FOG
We now have our pride back
Yep, we sure do. I haven't seen people so happy to be at work in years, we once again have the time to actually fix all the defects instead of frantically worrying about departure times and figuring out which defects are allowed to be deferred!!!!
Even most of the supervisors and DMM's have stopped the bullying......I say MOST.....CY and MS will be long remembered.......
That now legendary toolbox meeting will go down in history..........
One of the bullied has stood up to the bully and as the bully stands back up with a bloodied nose he sees that ALL the bullied ( ie all the staff...not just LAMEs) have gathered around and all HIS friends are running away...........
Bye Bye DC
Bye Bye MH
Bye Bye KM
GOOD RIDDANCE
then in a few months
Bye Bye GD......FOG
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I hear some guys are succumbing to management pressure!
The Mechanics Creed
"Upon My Honour, I swear that I shall hold in sacred trust the rights and privileges conferred upon me as a certified mechanic.
Knowing full well that the safety and lives of others are dependent upon my skill and judgement, I shall never knowingly subject others to risks which I would not be willing to assume for myself, or those dear to me.
In discharging this trust, I pledge myself never to undertake work or approve work which I feel to be beyond the limits of my knowledge, nor shall I allow any non-certified superior to pursuade me to approve aircraft or equipment as airworthy against my better judgement, nor shall I permit my judgement to be influenced by money or other personal gain, nor shall I pass as airworthy aircraft or equipment about which I am in doubt, either as a result of direct inspection or uncertainty regarding the ability of others who have worked on it to accomplish their work satisfactorily.
I realise the grave responsibility which is mine as a certified airman, to exercise my judgement on the airworthiness of aircraft and equipment.
I therefore, pledge unyielding adherence to these precepts for the advancement of aviation and for the dignity of my vocation."
SAFETY BEFORE SCHEDULE!
"Upon My Honour, I swear that I shall hold in sacred trust the rights and privileges conferred upon me as a certified mechanic.
Knowing full well that the safety and lives of others are dependent upon my skill and judgement, I shall never knowingly subject others to risks which I would not be willing to assume for myself, or those dear to me.
In discharging this trust, I pledge myself never to undertake work or approve work which I feel to be beyond the limits of my knowledge, nor shall I allow any non-certified superior to pursuade me to approve aircraft or equipment as airworthy against my better judgement, nor shall I permit my judgement to be influenced by money or other personal gain, nor shall I pass as airworthy aircraft or equipment about which I am in doubt, either as a result of direct inspection or uncertainty regarding the ability of others who have worked on it to accomplish their work satisfactorily.
I realise the grave responsibility which is mine as a certified airman, to exercise my judgement on the airworthiness of aircraft and equipment.
I therefore, pledge unyielding adherence to these precepts for the advancement of aviation and for the dignity of my vocation."
SAFETY BEFORE SCHEDULE!
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Last night, 37 rostered on shift. 11 went sick. Deferred just about all the called up work. Just did what we had to so they could fly today, then the fog rolled in to stuff the schedule. Even the bloke upstairs is on our side.......
Our treasurer says in the Age today that wage rises must be matched by productivity growth.Thing we could satisfy that challenge without too much trouble.U never know-once we start compling the list,we may get enough offsets for more than 5%!
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Wow what is it now 3 weeks into PIA and look what is happening.
OH OH QF ! ITS ALMOST JULY HERE COMES THE TWU.
Better sort something out soon.Only one way out now. Give us our megre rations and we will start doing OT again (if the insults stop) to fill the voids your management have created.
Well done to all our members for not doing anything out of the norm or stupid out there or doing anything illegal to the scabs and non conformers. It just goes to show what professionals we are and what we have been doing for this company for so many years and what happens if you treat your workforce like
. I bet this wasn't supposed to happen in your guide to be a manager textbooks.
OH OH QF ! ITS ALMOST JULY HERE COMES THE TWU.
Better sort something out soon.Only one way out now. Give us our megre rations and we will start doing OT again (if the insults stop) to fill the voids your management have created.
Well done to all our members for not doing anything out of the norm or stupid out there or doing anything illegal to the scabs and non conformers. It just goes to show what professionals we are and what we have been doing for this company for so many years and what happens if you treat your workforce like
. I bet this wasn't supposed to happen in your guide to be a manager textbooks.
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Last night, 37 rostered on shift. 11 went sick. Deferred just about all the called up work. Just did what we had to so they could fly today, then the fog rolled in to stuff the schedule. Even the bloke upstairs is on our side.......