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Have you ever considered that it may cost you a loss of 10% pay to get 5%? ie,deduction of average o/t worked and 4 hour stoppages. At this stage from my rough workings that some Engineers may have already lost the first years 5%
However there would be an equal amount of this 'core' group whom do overtime to spend the money on wine, women, hookers, beer, cars, gambling etc, etc. This just about covers the "core" of people whom are involved in regular overtime yet don't forget that as always there's a majority who are more than happy with their 38 hours a week (and in some cases a 'rostered' overtime component of approx 0.5hrs/week) For example, in the last 2 years, I have not spent one extra minute at work than my roster allows for. I work hard and give everything while I'm there, yet just have other things happening in my life and don't have a reason to be there when my employment conditions doesn't call for it. I have no doubt that as a gruop we're definitely worth a 5% pay rise and as our agreement would be backdated for the past 18 months, the overtimers would get this increase on all their past O/T. Believe me when I say that there are lots and lots of LAME's such as myself whom don't need nor want overtime and after the start of the overtime bans some of the regular 'core' of overtimers have found other things to do and ways to manage without the O/T money and will probably never go back to it.
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Did you hear that the insurance paid out $25mil more for that DC10 than it cost? And the small amount the company was fined?
DC and his Team are about managing risk to maximise profit, not about maintaining maxinum safety!
Fly Safe.............
As the company says 'Take 5'%.
DC and his Team are about managing risk to maximise profit, not about maintaining maxinum safety!
Fly Safe.............
As the company says 'Take 5'%.
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Did you hear that the insurance paid out $25mil more for that DC10 than it cost? And the small amount the company was fined?
DC and his Team are about managing risk to maximise profit, not about maintaining maxinum safety!
Fly Safe.............
As the company says 'Take 5'%.
DC and his Team are about managing risk to maximise profit, not about maintaining maxinum safety!
Fly Safe.............
As the company says 'Take 5'%.
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5% That's what this is about.
Don't loose focus 
O/T is only worked regurlarly by about 10% of the workforce. The other 90% don't do any, or very little at least.
This means that 90% of the workforce are loosing nothing other than the occassional 4hr stoppage. This is why this campaign is so painful for Qantas.
LAME's are basically loosing nothing on average, and QF are cancelling hundreds of flights, delaying hundreds more and destroying their commercial relationships with many of their customers.
We will win the fight for better wages. No doubt.
Follow the guidance from your executive, they are the ones on the front line and know the intimate details.
Why we are at it, spare a thought for the QF employed executive members who are under a strong and constant personal attack from QF engineering management. The damage done to their careers is huge. However they will fight to the end no matter what the personal cost is
O/T is only worked regurlarly by about 10% of the workforce. The other 90% don't do any, or very little at least.
This means that 90% of the workforce are loosing nothing other than the occassional 4hr stoppage. This is why this campaign is so painful for Qantas.
LAME's are basically loosing nothing on average, and QF are cancelling hundreds of flights, delaying hundreds more and destroying their commercial relationships with many of their customers.
We will win the fight for better wages. No doubt.
Follow the guidance from your executive, they are the ones on the front line and know the intimate details.
Why we are at it, spare a thought for the QF employed executive members who are under a strong and constant personal attack from QF engineering management. The damage done to their careers is huge. However they will fight to the end no matter what the personal cost is
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ok so we get 5%... or 3% with sweeteners.... or whatever. The day after the EBA is signed, we still don't have enough people on the floor, we still lack training, we still have disengaged management and staff, we are way behind the 8 ball in regards to the deferred etc work on the aircraft, the 380 introduction is a disaster waiting to happen, the Dreamliner is just that, a dream, the cert 4's still aren't paid, the stupid procedures are still there, we are still set up to fail...etc etc, and other eba's are around the corner
('we' means anyone wearing QANTAS on their chest!)
please, ALAEA, consider getting a delegation together of executives, LAME's, seniors, Supers, DMM's, other department staff and push for a meeting with the board - do they really know what the blazes is happening???!!! what they stand to lose??
I am not going down without a fight - push us too far and I'll be on the 7:30 report telling it like it is.
will our current management be the death of QF engineering as we know it?? or are they just cutting us to the bone to sell us out.
I need to see our side of the story out there, now!
('we' means anyone wearing QANTAS on their chest!)
please, ALAEA, consider getting a delegation together of executives, LAME's, seniors, Supers, DMM's, other department staff and push for a meeting with the board - do they really know what the blazes is happening???!!! what they stand to lose??
I am not going down without a fight - push us too far and I'll be on the 7:30 report telling it like it is.
will our current management be the death of QF engineering as we know it?? or are they just cutting us to the bone to sell us out.
I need to see our side of the story out there, now!
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How about getting some of those security guys involved when we discover suspect wiring on aircraft out of overseas MRO's.
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Have you ever considered that it may cost you a loss of 10% pay to get 5%? ie,deduction of average o/t worked and 4 hour stoppages.
The extra 2% in our paypacket is the equivalent of coming in on O/T for two days per year. I would rather stay at home than come in for the extra money, year in year out.
Average O/T is incorporated into some rosters therefore is not lost.
But really mate, you cannot rely on OT to pay bills. Especially when QF is constantly trying to reduce costs by abolishing it. When you have'nt had a pay increase in 2 and a half years, its easy for someone to rely on OT more and more without noticing it. And this is not right or fair. Where will these ppl be when OT dries up?
But really mate, you cannot rely on OT to pay bills. Especially when QF is constantly trying to reduce costs by abolishing it. When you have'nt had a pay increase in 2 and a half years, its easy for someone to rely on OT more and more without noticing it. And this is not right or fair. Where will these ppl be when OT dries up?
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ok so we get 5%... or 3% with sweeteners.... or whatever. The day after the EBA is signed, we still don't have enough people on the floor, we still lack training, we still have disengaged management and staff, we are way behind the 8 ball in regards to the deferred etc work on the aircraft, the 380 introduction is a disaster waiting to happen, the Dreamliner is just that, a dream, the cert 4's still aren't paid, the stupid procedures are still there, we are still set up to fail...etc etc, and other eba's are around the corner
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stuff em
were holding off our pia over the school holidays but qf hasn't granted our leave so we cant spend time with our families......we seem to be giving far more than were taking...........the only giving from qf is os maintenance and our routes to jetstar.......the scales arent balanced
im voting no to anything other than 5% and all the extras included in the previous eba document...
im voting no to anything other than 5% and all the extras included in the previous eba document...
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I think we should leave the media stuff to the Bexley boys and girls.
They are doing a great job for all our benefit.
And meanwhile, more from the Australian...
Qantas plays with fire
D.D. McNicoll | June 25, 2008
JULIA Gillard explained that she was looking a bit eccentric on Sunday morning in Washington, DC, as she had cobbled together a wardrobe after her bags failed to arrive with her.
The airline? Qantas. Her luggage came in later that day. Her bags went missing again last Friday when she flew home. The airline? Qantas. "So this happens to deputy prime ministers too?" Strewth's US colleague asked. "There's no discrimination with Qantas, no discrimination at all," Gillard said with a laugh. "I'm not taking it personally. The amount I fly, I think it's the law of averages." But will she tackle Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon on the matter? She laughed that off, too, but with something of a steely glint in her eye.
Wondering if that was also blamed on the lame PIA
They are doing a great job for all our benefit.
And meanwhile, more from the Australian...
Qantas plays with fire
D.D. McNicoll | June 25, 2008
JULIA Gillard explained that she was looking a bit eccentric on Sunday morning in Washington, DC, as she had cobbled together a wardrobe after her bags failed to arrive with her.
The airline? Qantas. Her luggage came in later that day. Her bags went missing again last Friday when she flew home. The airline? Qantas. "So this happens to deputy prime ministers too?" Strewth's US colleague asked. "There's no discrimination with Qantas, no discrimination at all," Gillard said with a laugh. "I'm not taking it personally. The amount I fly, I think it's the law of averages." But will she tackle Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon on the matter? She laughed that off, too, but with something of a steely glint in her eye.
Wondering if that was also blamed on the lame PIA
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I personally don't know what the company is complaining about. I noticed that the QF1 left a bit after 10am the other day. Almost 8 hours early!!!! If we just stick to the O/T bans there will be no disruptions. Management have everything under control.
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Have you ever considered that it may cost you a loss of 10% pay to get 5%? ie,deduction of average o/t worked and 4 hour stoppages. At this stage from my rough workings that some Engineers may have already lost the first years 5% and started on the 2nd
By my "rough workings" if our OLD Executive had taken the approach that the present Executive has, ten years ago, we would be 15% better off now, and that would be allowing for lost income following the 6 months of lost overtime.
Tall buildings survive longer on a solid foundation, our Executive is underpinning our foundations for the future and they have my support.