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Qantas engineers are not anti-company by any means.
We are anti-proctologist management, ie the buggery campaign waged against US (as in the leaked e-mail from manager to manager)
Engineers would like nothing better than fix aircraft and make schedule for everyone.
Being hampered at every step by our own management is something we can not understand.
Give us the tools, training and encouragement and we will remain the envy of the worlds airline maintenance operation. Till then, we cant help you.
We are anti-proctologist management, ie the buggery campaign waged against US (as in the leaked e-mail from manager to manager)
Engineers would like nothing better than fix aircraft and make schedule for everyone.
Being hampered at every step by our own management is something we can not understand.
Give us the tools, training and encouragement and we will remain the envy of the worlds airline maintenance operation. Till then, we cant help you.
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So tell me...once you resolve this dispute...which I am sure you and Qantas will, are you still going to be anti company, or will you be pro company?
Is that a fair question?
Is that a fair question?
The original offer included XPT provisions, Re-classification of LAMEs and heavy maintenance roster provisions that could never be voted in.
The guys are PRO Qantas.
I am Pro QANTASOne of the greatest reasons we are here now is not about 5%, the reason of such a unified QF LAME work force regarding PIA is due the fact they have had enough of the erosion of what many believe is the corner stone of the Qantas brand .i.e. superbly maintained aircraft with a safety record second to none.
I am not saying we are the best or were.
Just that we enjoyed being able to do a job to the best of our abilities without being hampered by the idiocies of a management whom have no operational experience or understanding of what it takes to achieve on time reliability. The perfect example of this is the kaos that overtime bans alone have caused.
We have always been about bums on seats getting away and arriving on time but the current management have no appreciation of the general day to day problem solving ability of the AME and LAME at the front end. The current characters think we need to be corralled into behaviours and responses via the engineering policy manual. Yet the PPM is now a double edge sword that the heavily laden ACS on time reliability labours under.
Borrgetti and Co can say "Go slow" all they like but this is a problem of the ACS management own creation, that nothing, not even puffy chested ops managers can fix.
If and when this PIA ends, management will have to fix a rift that makes the grand canyon pale into insignificants. If they can’t, the place will never operate the same again nor will it be ever be efficient. If the incumbents stay at the reigns, I know it will be me and my work mates who are blamed no matter how much we bend over backwards to make it happen.
So to answer your question. I will be pro QANTAS with an aim to making sure the travelling public get the product they paid for.
As for the 3rd floor. They can go (you fill in the next 3 words)
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....and suck eggs
....fly a kite
....spank their monkey
....bugger someones bum
....invent new procedures
....count more beans
....receive more bonuses
....ignore the truth
....kiss murrays arse
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....fly a kite
....spank their monkey
....bugger someones bum
....invent new procedures
....count more beans
....receive more bonuses
....ignore the truth
....kiss murrays arse
....
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Big M
love your work.
ignor the truth is my favourite.
Could be the subject of a whole new thread.
......inflate a goat ?
......lie some more
......Tell more lies
......Employ more ops/managers?
...... reneg on a deal !!!
FOM
love your work.
ignor the truth is my favourite.
Could be the subject of a whole new thread.
......inflate a goat ?
......lie some more
......Tell more lies
......Employ more ops/managers?
...... reneg on a deal !!!
FOM
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Bolty
Well said Bolty.
We are all proud of the Airline and Engineering company WE have built over the years THAT IS Qantas. The Pilots, the Check in Chicks, Cabin Crew, Baggage Handlers, Cleaners,etc. These are the people that made this great company and the brand Qantas.
I am very pro Qantas because as a QF LAME I know I have learned my trade from the best and want to keep the tradition going. It is called pride in your work. The passing on of knowledge and standards to the young Engineers coming up. Very important to QF health.
I am open to ideas from anyone, but when I am basically tied up by a system that has been inserted by inexperienced Managers that refused to listen to us 2 years ago and still won't listen as the whole thing falls apart right in front of them, I will not stand by and just let the whole show turn to ruin.
We are NOT anti QF, we are anti-current management.
These guys come and go like the place has a revolving door. Espescially recently. I can not keep up woth who is supposed to be running the mess.
Musical chairs guys!
As well as the 5% we really need these managers out for the long term good of Qantas. They have done damage that cannot be repaired already, it has to stop before it is too late!
We are all proud of the Airline and Engineering company WE have built over the years THAT IS Qantas. The Pilots, the Check in Chicks, Cabin Crew, Baggage Handlers, Cleaners,etc. These are the people that made this great company and the brand Qantas.
I am very pro Qantas because as a QF LAME I know I have learned my trade from the best and want to keep the tradition going. It is called pride in your work. The passing on of knowledge and standards to the young Engineers coming up. Very important to QF health.
I am open to ideas from anyone, but when I am basically tied up by a system that has been inserted by inexperienced Managers that refused to listen to us 2 years ago and still won't listen as the whole thing falls apart right in front of them, I will not stand by and just let the whole show turn to ruin.
We are NOT anti QF, we are anti-current management.
These guys come and go like the place has a revolving door. Espescially recently. I can not keep up woth who is supposed to be running the mess.
Musical chairs guys!
As well as the 5% we really need these managers out for the long term good of Qantas. They have done damage that cannot be repaired already, it has to stop before it is too late!
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my 2 cents
Gent's
Before I start with my FIRST post....... i must point out that i am totally behind the exec and the majority of the LAME'S nation wide as i am one but we are many.............. (ah the irony).
Now with that said let me give my 2 cents.................... First of all let's cut some fat................
For those So called LAMES talikin about OUR planes ditchin in the dirt (and its only a select few)............................ Pull your F'N heads in. its not goin to happen on my watch. And i know ALL of you feel the same. so y use that pathetic tactic.
i for one might not have the knwoladge or expierience of some of you old skool LAME's and im the first to admit that,i'll also never sign something that i'm not comfortable with my Mother, Father Brother, Sister, Friend or STRANGER flying 30,000 + ft on. and im sure that 100% of LAMES are behind me on that too. So y the F#$k mention it.
As an apprentice which mind you wasn't so long ago i was tought many things............. i can't remember all of those things (as management has filled my head with shmutt....) but i know inetgrity, workmanship and most of all PRIDE was apart of the apprenticeship. i will always remember and obide by those words that once where drummed into my head.
So all i ask is that some of you don't lose sight of what you were once tought and too pass that onto others. As much as i despise what our managment have done/doing to us... i will always have my pride. Stay focused ppl and no matter what we WILL roll on with our heads held high.......... No matter what we are in this together.
5% minumum,,,,
great work exec...
RR
Before I start with my FIRST post....... i must point out that i am totally behind the exec and the majority of the LAME'S nation wide as i am one but we are many.............. (ah the irony).
Now with that said let me give my 2 cents.................... First of all let's cut some fat................
For those So called LAMES talikin about OUR planes ditchin in the dirt (and its only a select few)............................ Pull your F'N heads in. its not goin to happen on my watch. And i know ALL of you feel the same. so y use that pathetic tactic.
i for one might not have the knwoladge or expierience of some of you old skool LAME's and im the first to admit that,i'll also never sign something that i'm not comfortable with my Mother, Father Brother, Sister, Friend or STRANGER flying 30,000 + ft on. and im sure that 100% of LAMES are behind me on that too. So y the F#$k mention it.
As an apprentice which mind you wasn't so long ago i was tought many things............. i can't remember all of those things (as management has filled my head with shmutt....) but i know inetgrity, workmanship and most of all PRIDE was apart of the apprenticeship. i will always remember and obide by those words that once where drummed into my head.
So all i ask is that some of you don't lose sight of what you were once tought and too pass that onto others. As much as i despise what our managment have done/doing to us... i will always have my pride. Stay focused ppl and no matter what we WILL roll on with our heads held high.......... No matter what we are in this together.
5% minumum,,,,
great work exec...
RR
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Tank Entry
Fed-Sec your notice is lacking in detail. A quick check last night is difficult to access any information on confined space entry. There is information regarding property areas but it says it excludes aircraft tanks/confined spaces. Can you elaborate more on what the corporate policy says.
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In reply to ballhopper's accusation of being a 'Drama Queen', let me explain.
5% x 3 years, no less.. And if QF threaten me with redundancy if I do not accept less tham that, I will take the cheque!
Simple really, if I take less than I am worth, they will have again been successful in their 'bully boy' tactics. The omly reason QF have not threatened redundancy in this EBA is they know too many people would take it.
As the company says 'Take 5'%.
5% x 3 years, no less.. And if QF threaten me with redundancy if I do not accept less tham that, I will take the cheque!
Simple really, if I take less than I am worth, they will have again been successful in their 'bully boy' tactics. The omly reason QF have not threatened redundancy in this EBA is they know too many people would take it.
As the company says 'Take 5'%.
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FEDSEC - what a wnkr
FED SEC Says
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Who's fault is that genius? Dont forget what the assn's job is nnuts. So what is the other 80% - what is the company offering or saying that Stevie haven't chosen to tell us because it doesnt suit his or your agenda? I cant believe you are so stupid to have said that then again, yes I can. When will people wake up that you guys could not give a tinkers toss about us, you enjoy the game, the fame, and half of you want to be in Canberra! Your no better than srotum face - in fact worse, at least you know what side he is on.
My mail is that the company offered plenty of sweetners last time around and you guys just buried it. Good to see some people are joining me in doing the sums!
By the way, dont bother calling me a stooge, troll etc etc, heard it all before - YAWN! - just answer the questions please!
There are not too many of you that know more than about 20% of what is taking place behind the scenes and the reasons for our decisions and actions
Who's fault is that genius? Dont forget what the assn's job is nnuts. So what is the other 80% - what is the company offering or saying that Stevie haven't chosen to tell us because it doesnt suit his or your agenda? I cant believe you are so stupid to have said that then again, yes I can. When will people wake up that you guys could not give a tinkers toss about us, you enjoy the game, the fame, and half of you want to be in Canberra! Your no better than srotum face - in fact worse, at least you know what side he is on.
My mail is that the company offered plenty of sweetners last time around and you guys just buried it. Good to see some people are joining me in doing the sums!
By the way, dont bother calling me a stooge, troll etc etc, heard it all before - YAWN! - just answer the questions please!
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I'll answer for the fedsec Reddork37
If you want to know more of the detail perhaps you should have run for office in 2006 or perhaps you did and got flogged !!!
I wouldn't say say you are a troll but I would say you are a stooge......... no wait moron
Keep it up boys and girls a Bex you have done us proud so far and we have belief
If you want to know more of the detail perhaps you should have run for office in 2006 or perhaps you did and got flogged !!!
I wouldn't say say you are a troll but I would say you are a stooge......... no wait moron
Keep it up boys and girls a Bex you have done us proud so far and we have belief
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Mr. Invisable is a thinker
Good to see that you are a real thinker - perhaps I have been too hasty in judging the intellectual rigor of the current leadership. God help us!
- perhaps I have been too hasty in judging the intellectual rigor of the current leadership. God help us!
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Actually RH37 I am disappointed I snapped at you but I am sick and tired (been a member for many years) of being represented by people who do not support the membership. This crew despite my earlier misgivings have shown that despite the formidable company they face that they will stand up for us at every turn. My friend got stitched up over a staff travel fiasco and if it wasn't for the union he would have a letter on his file and 2 years suspension from staff travel.
I am now actually proud to say to people when they ask what do I do for a crust ? that I am a Qantas Engineer and member of the ALAEA
I am now actually proud to say to people when they ask what do I do for a crust ? that I am a Qantas Engineer and member of the ALAEA
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Maybe not
Vicky, unlike so many others I maintain a reasonable and open mind on these things and I also have people who i regard as friends in the management side. I am actually told by people I trust that the company did not back away from their commitment but it was the ALAEA who have done so because they couldnt sell it to the members - its the reason GD has dug in , because the management feel that the Union has not kept its word.
Of course I was not there so I dont really know but my suit friends don't have an agenda and they actually agree we should have at least the 5, but they say we are dealing through represenataives who have shown themselves to be untrustworthy - I think we need to ask the so called leadership.
Who know's - but I do know from past expirience that assn only tells us what they feel we should know - evidence FEDSEC.
Of course I was not there so I dont really know but my suit friends don't have an agenda and they actually agree we should have at least the 5, but they say we are dealing through represenataives who have shown themselves to be untrustworthy - I think we need to ask the so called leadership.
Who know's - but I do know from past expirience that assn only tells us what they feel we should know - evidence FEDSEC.
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Redhawk no need for personal attacks on the fedsec, he is doing what the members want an improved pay offer, when its on the table I will be happy to work sh@# loads of o/t.
But until the agreement is reached, I will stand with the union until we get an agreement that 50%+1 of the membership is happy with.
I am proud how the membership is sticking together to get a result. the ball is in the companys court
Mr Dixon make me an offer I cant refuse
But until the agreement is reached, I will stand with the union until we get an agreement that 50%+1 of the membership is happy with.
I am proud how the membership is sticking together to get a result. the ball is in the companys court
Mr Dixon make me an offer I cant refuse
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Operational staff are for the most part not anti company but rather, anti management.
There is quite a difference you know...............
There is quite a difference you know...............
Grow up and get some respect for people other than yourself - or perhaps starting with yourself.
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Grow up and get some respect for people other than yourself - or perhaps starting with yourself.
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Redhawk37
EQ
Partsmart
A330 Galleys
Cargo price fixing
APA Takeover
Rescinding customer contracts
IT AMM transition project
Telstra IT monopoly
So who do we bag for these memorable and fiscally destructive decisions?
At least try to put up some debatable arguments. So far you have contributed nothing of value RH37. Negative or positive. Go and do some research before you pop back here.
Quit bagging the people with other ideas, supervisors, managers and execs, you might think you have a monopoly on knowing what is the best for the company
Partsmart
A330 Galleys
Cargo price fixing
APA Takeover
Rescinding customer contracts
IT AMM transition project
Telstra IT monopoly
So who do we bag for these memorable and fiscally destructive decisions?
At least try to put up some debatable arguments. So far you have contributed nothing of value RH37. Negative or positive. Go and do some research before you pop back here.