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I think sniggih is pretending to be an ex-SIT lame who went up to the third floor as training coordinator many moons ago and worked his way into the FNQ Line managers position. Nothing personal against the guy, haven't had anything to do with him since he left SIT at least a decade ago.
GH as the initials at the end is a bit of a giveaway, although I doubt it's really him!
Apparantly another ex-training coordinator has also been positioned to strike break at a line station...now him I would indeed have a problem with as he likes to pretend he's still one of the boys!!
GH as the initials at the end is a bit of a giveaway, although I doubt it's really him!
Apparantly another ex-training coordinator has also been positioned to strike break at a line station...now him I would indeed have a problem with as he likes to pretend he's still one of the boys!!
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You are no better than the Jews who used to assist the Germans in ww2 rounding up other Jews to send them to their death. If your morals are so great as you self assure yourself they are, then when this is all said and done you will say to QF I only want a 3% payrise.
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Put your money where your mouth is strikebreaker. Still hurting cause your peers voted you out for being in bed with QF with our previous union leadership.
This management won't be here forever. You will be remembered.
You are no better than the Jews who used to assist the Germans in ww2 rounding up other Jews to send them to their death. If your morals are so great as you self assure yourself they are, then when this is all said and done you will say to QF I only want a 3% payrise.
.Put your money where your mouth is strikebreaker. Still hurting cause your peers voted you out for being in bed with QF with our previous union leadership.
This management won't be here forever. You will be remembered.
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The amount of overtime being worked is great with the union rep moose leading the way
Please explain numbnuts, I'm not aware of any union rep called moose up north.
The amount of overtime being worked is great with the union rep moose leading the way
Please explain numbnuts, I'm not aware of any union rep called moose up north.
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With only a few minor delays today i thinking I wont be called to come back for a while. Nice to see that the Sydney Domestic troops have done all in there power to oppose the radical union plans to delay flights. 
QF1465 Canberra 19/05/2008
06:00am 19/05/2008
06:00am T3-58 Completed
QF401 Melbourne 19/05/2008
06:00am 19/05/2008
06:00am T3-2 Completed
QF500 Brisbane 19/05/2008
06:05am 19/05/2008
06:05am T3-17 Completed
QF565 Perth 19/05/2008
06:10am 19/05/2008
06:10am T3-8 Completed
QF405 Melbourne 19/05/2008
06:30am 19/05/2008
06:30am T3-5 Completed
QF502 Brisbane 19/05/2008
06:35am 19/05/2008
06:35am T3-11 Completed
QF1461 Canberra 19/05/2008
06:45am 19/05/2008
06:45am T3-58 Completed
QF403 Melbourne 19/05/2008
06:45am 19/05/2008
06:45am T3-4 Completed
QF409 Melbourne 19/05/2008
07:00am 19/05/2008
07:05am T3-10 Completed
QF504 Brisbane 19/05/2008
07:05am 19/05/2008
07:20am T3-12 Completed
QF735 Adelaide 19/05/2008
07:10am 19/05/2008
07:10am T3-13 Completed
QF407 Melbourne 19/05/2008
07:15am 19/05/2008
07:15am T3
QF803 Canberra 19/05/2008
07:20am 19/05/2008
07:20am T3-2 Completed
QF411 Melbourne 19/05/2008
07:30am 19/05/2008
07:50am T3 Completed
QF506 Brisbane 19/05/2008
07:35am 19/05/2008
07:35am T3-3 Completed
QF1463 Canberra 19/05/2008
07:40am 19/05/2008
07:55am T3-58 Completed
QF415 Melbourne 19/05/2008
08:00am 19/05/2008
08:10am T3 Completed
QF508 Brisbane 19/05/2008
08:05am 19/05/2008
08:10am T3 Completed
QF787 Canberra 19/05/2008
08:10am 19/05/2008
08:50am T3 Completed
QF739 Adelaide 19/05/2008
08:20am 19/05/2008
08:20am T3 Completed
QF1465 Canberra 19/05/2008
06:00am 19/05/2008
06:00am T3-58 Completed
QF401 Melbourne 19/05/2008
06:00am 19/05/2008
06:00am T3-2 Completed
QF500 Brisbane 19/05/2008
06:05am 19/05/2008
06:05am T3-17 Completed
QF565 Perth 19/05/2008
06:10am 19/05/2008
06:10am T3-8 Completed
QF405 Melbourne 19/05/2008
06:30am 19/05/2008
06:30am T3-5 Completed
QF502 Brisbane 19/05/2008
06:35am 19/05/2008
06:35am T3-11 Completed
QF1461 Canberra 19/05/2008
06:45am 19/05/2008
06:45am T3-58 Completed
QF403 Melbourne 19/05/2008
06:45am 19/05/2008
06:45am T3-4 Completed
QF409 Melbourne 19/05/2008
07:00am 19/05/2008
07:05am T3-10 Completed
QF504 Brisbane 19/05/2008
07:05am 19/05/2008
07:20am T3-12 Completed
QF735 Adelaide 19/05/2008
07:10am 19/05/2008
07:10am T3-13 Completed
QF407 Melbourne 19/05/2008
07:15am 19/05/2008
07:15am T3
QF803 Canberra 19/05/2008
07:20am 19/05/2008
07:20am T3-2 Completed
QF411 Melbourne 19/05/2008
07:30am 19/05/2008
07:50am T3 Completed
QF506 Brisbane 19/05/2008
07:35am 19/05/2008
07:35am T3-3 Completed
QF1463 Canberra 19/05/2008
07:40am 19/05/2008
07:55am T3-58 Completed
QF415 Melbourne 19/05/2008
08:00am 19/05/2008
08:10am T3 Completed
QF508 Brisbane 19/05/2008
08:05am 19/05/2008
08:10am T3 Completed
QF787 Canberra 19/05/2008
08:10am 19/05/2008
08:50am T3 Completed
QF739 Adelaide 19/05/2008
08:20am 19/05/2008
08:20am T3 Completed
why would the first flights of the day go out late considering theyre all serviceable ?
and if people can't read the tone in the postings by higgins, then read harder. (hint: its a pisstake)
and if people can't read the tone in the postings by higgins, then read harder. (hint: its a pisstake)
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ALAEA notice just issued.
Firstly I would like to thank members for their solidarity over the weekend. There were only a couple of hiccups that we have been informed of. The first being a LAME who travelled to Alice Springs on his day off to cover for a Qantas employee who is currently on sick leave. We have spoken to the member who advises that management told him it was ok to do travelling duties on your day off. This is not the case and members should be well aware that Qantas may say anything to get you to break rank. Please call us for clarification on any matter where you have been asked to do something that you would not normally do on a day to day basis. In this instance members should be aware –
Overtime bans are in place for your day off. Do not accept additional work, or travel to alternative worksites during this period within or outside Australia. Do not accept shift changes to assist the company without our written guidance.
In another instance a DMM was known to have pushed an aircraft back after all other Engineers in the section had gone home. As his office was unattended during this period and no alternative Qantas man down procedure in place to safely carry out the pushback, a report has been lodged for breach of Qantas procedures. Members should be aware that the ALAEA will be encouraging all members to report LAMEs or strikebreakers who cut corners in order to dampen the effects of our Protected Action. Members should continue to work strictly to the rules defined in the various Maintenance and Qantas procedure manuals.
Discussion has continued over the weekend around the country about our decision to postpone the stop work meetings planned for last and next Friday. Members are reminded that the ACTU have offered us assistance so that we can achieve our objectives but they will not be making our decisions. ACTU Secretary Jeff Lawrence has written to Geoff Dixon seeking further meetings with an objective to discuss the outdated Qantas 3% wage policy. A copy of the letter is attached.
Finally, I wanted to share with members part of an email I received from a Qantas DMM on Friday. His questions were extremely valid and understandable from our members in the DMM position. It also must be highlighted that DMMs are covered by the Agreement we are negotiating and they participated in the democratic process that saw over 80% of our members supporting Protected Industrial action. Nearly all DMMs are ALAEA members and should not consider themselves part of the management team that are sharing in large company bonuses by limiting our wages to less than inflation.
Question-With ref to alaea notice QF 046/2008, can you please clarify my legal position as a DMM. In para 2 you mention that a DMM is an essential component of man-down and other critical procedures, yet in para 5 over the page you mention that the DMM must attend the stop work meetings. All DMM's in the company need to ensure we are legally covered with respect to WorkCover NSW. The DMM is the area warden within the building and as such is the emergency point of contact for apprentices, trade assistants and other administrative staff within their work environment who may still be at work. As such we may be legally responsible if whilst attending a stop work meeting one of these staff members are injured at work.
I have not read any notices issued by the alaea explaining their discussions with WorkCover around these issues. Forgive me if you have contacted them and have not had time to issue a notice, but I believe this information is essential prior to any stop work meetings to ensure you and I are not sitting in a court room together defending ourselves against WorkCover in the event of an incident occurring whilst at a meeting. As far as I understand protected action protects our job only and does not protect us against WorkCover and other authorities.
I have obtained my own advice around this issue but it was only verbal and as such may not stand up in court. Could you please obtain this legal advice and issue a notice defining a DMM's responsibilities during these times to ensure we are covered. Please do not read into this email and surmise as to where I am heading, I have a duty to support my mates and invest in our future but at the same time have a duty of care to other staff within my area, therefore this clarification is essential for anyone in this position of responsibility with WorkCover NSW.”
Response –“You’re spot on here regarding the responsibilities of your DMM role, it's not a job that can be left derelict by the person carrying out that role for various safety reasons. When you take part in a stop work meeting, the DMM role does not belong to you and I will elaborate I bit further.
When we withdraw our labour in pursuit of a fair and reasonable wage outcome, we do so because the company we are dealing with are not taking us seriously or valuing our contribution. We test that by putting the company in a situation that highlights our value by withdrawing our services. For a LAME, that means his transit duties, certification, rectification, supervision of AMEs, time preparing for new work etc.... For a Snr LAME this also includes the Supervision of his crew, allocation of work and the other additional responsibilities he holds. When you as a DMM stop work (and don't get paid) you leave the premises as you would any other time you finish your shift. You withdraw what you provide which is all your normal duties including the duty of care to staff in your area. You don't just withdraw the aspects of your job that the company can do without, that would defeat the purpose. You need to let the company know that you are valuable, can't be replaced by untrained staff and deserve a wage rise at least in line with inflation
The genuine concern I sense you hold for AMEs and apprentices in the section are legally covered by the Protected Industrial Action process. Although protection ensures that the airline cannot terminate your employment there are certain other phases of the workplace legislation that also absolve you of responsibility if you were to take part in legal Protected Action. When the legislation was drafted, this was catered for by ensuring that unions were required to give 3 business days notice to employers so they could put in place contingency plans. It is no secret that Newport Aviation are on standby with many strikebreakers earning about twice your wage to take over your responsibilities. If you take part in a stop work meeting and something happens whilst you are away, that is Qantas's responsibility, not yours as we have given them ample notice that you will be absent.
As one of the younger DMMs in the country I do understand that you may feel somewhat confused about your current position. This confusion was certainly created years ago when they introduced the new DMM title. It made our Foreman and Supervisors feel like they are part of the management team. Quite simply it was part of the divide and conquer strategy. I sit back watching from a distance now and wonder why so many DMMs strive to please many of today's managers who have never laid a hand on a tool, managers who have jumped over the best LAMEs in this country to become Engineering leaders when they had failed in their pursuits to even attain a single aircraft licence, I sit back and think, you would have a better chance of moving a further step up the ladder if you went a got yourself an Arts degree.
DMM's have a title but they do not share in the management bonuses. Some feel like they are the meat in the sandwich but they only feel like that because they allow management to manipulate them. DMMs are covered entirely by the same wage agreement as a level 3 LAME. DMMs are not categorised as staff although management may wish you to think that way in order to have you break rank and stay back to supervise strikebreakers. At the end of the day, all DMMs in this country will benefit from the stand being made by all ALAEA LAMEs taking part in the Protected Action. I strongly urge you to continue to think of your workmates, fellow members and their families who are making the sacrifices that we all hope will bring the fair wage offer that has been long overdue.”
Firstly I would like to thank members for their solidarity over the weekend. There were only a couple of hiccups that we have been informed of. The first being a LAME who travelled to Alice Springs on his day off to cover for a Qantas employee who is currently on sick leave. We have spoken to the member who advises that management told him it was ok to do travelling duties on your day off. This is not the case and members should be well aware that Qantas may say anything to get you to break rank. Please call us for clarification on any matter where you have been asked to do something that you would not normally do on a day to day basis. In this instance members should be aware –
Overtime bans are in place for your day off. Do not accept additional work, or travel to alternative worksites during this period within or outside Australia. Do not accept shift changes to assist the company without our written guidance.
In another instance a DMM was known to have pushed an aircraft back after all other Engineers in the section had gone home. As his office was unattended during this period and no alternative Qantas man down procedure in place to safely carry out the pushback, a report has been lodged for breach of Qantas procedures. Members should be aware that the ALAEA will be encouraging all members to report LAMEs or strikebreakers who cut corners in order to dampen the effects of our Protected Action. Members should continue to work strictly to the rules defined in the various Maintenance and Qantas procedure manuals.
Discussion has continued over the weekend around the country about our decision to postpone the stop work meetings planned for last and next Friday. Members are reminded that the ACTU have offered us assistance so that we can achieve our objectives but they will not be making our decisions. ACTU Secretary Jeff Lawrence has written to Geoff Dixon seeking further meetings with an objective to discuss the outdated Qantas 3% wage policy. A copy of the letter is attached.
Finally, I wanted to share with members part of an email I received from a Qantas DMM on Friday. His questions were extremely valid and understandable from our members in the DMM position. It also must be highlighted that DMMs are covered by the Agreement we are negotiating and they participated in the democratic process that saw over 80% of our members supporting Protected Industrial action. Nearly all DMMs are ALAEA members and should not consider themselves part of the management team that are sharing in large company bonuses by limiting our wages to less than inflation.
Question-With ref to alaea notice QF 046/2008, can you please clarify my legal position as a DMM. In para 2 you mention that a DMM is an essential component of man-down and other critical procedures, yet in para 5 over the page you mention that the DMM must attend the stop work meetings. All DMM's in the company need to ensure we are legally covered with respect to WorkCover NSW. The DMM is the area warden within the building and as such is the emergency point of contact for apprentices, trade assistants and other administrative staff within their work environment who may still be at work. As such we may be legally responsible if whilst attending a stop work meeting one of these staff members are injured at work.
I have not read any notices issued by the alaea explaining their discussions with WorkCover around these issues. Forgive me if you have contacted them and have not had time to issue a notice, but I believe this information is essential prior to any stop work meetings to ensure you and I are not sitting in a court room together defending ourselves against WorkCover in the event of an incident occurring whilst at a meeting. As far as I understand protected action protects our job only and does not protect us against WorkCover and other authorities.
I have obtained my own advice around this issue but it was only verbal and as such may not stand up in court. Could you please obtain this legal advice and issue a notice defining a DMM's responsibilities during these times to ensure we are covered. Please do not read into this email and surmise as to where I am heading, I have a duty to support my mates and invest in our future but at the same time have a duty of care to other staff within my area, therefore this clarification is essential for anyone in this position of responsibility with WorkCover NSW.”
Response –“You’re spot on here regarding the responsibilities of your DMM role, it's not a job that can be left derelict by the person carrying out that role for various safety reasons. When you take part in a stop work meeting, the DMM role does not belong to you and I will elaborate I bit further.
When we withdraw our labour in pursuit of a fair and reasonable wage outcome, we do so because the company we are dealing with are not taking us seriously or valuing our contribution. We test that by putting the company in a situation that highlights our value by withdrawing our services. For a LAME, that means his transit duties, certification, rectification, supervision of AMEs, time preparing for new work etc.... For a Snr LAME this also includes the Supervision of his crew, allocation of work and the other additional responsibilities he holds. When you as a DMM stop work (and don't get paid) you leave the premises as you would any other time you finish your shift. You withdraw what you provide which is all your normal duties including the duty of care to staff in your area. You don't just withdraw the aspects of your job that the company can do without, that would defeat the purpose. You need to let the company know that you are valuable, can't be replaced by untrained staff and deserve a wage rise at least in line with inflation
The genuine concern I sense you hold for AMEs and apprentices in the section are legally covered by the Protected Industrial Action process. Although protection ensures that the airline cannot terminate your employment there are certain other phases of the workplace legislation that also absolve you of responsibility if you were to take part in legal Protected Action. When the legislation was drafted, this was catered for by ensuring that unions were required to give 3 business days notice to employers so they could put in place contingency plans. It is no secret that Newport Aviation are on standby with many strikebreakers earning about twice your wage to take over your responsibilities. If you take part in a stop work meeting and something happens whilst you are away, that is Qantas's responsibility, not yours as we have given them ample notice that you will be absent.
As one of the younger DMMs in the country I do understand that you may feel somewhat confused about your current position. This confusion was certainly created years ago when they introduced the new DMM title. It made our Foreman and Supervisors feel like they are part of the management team. Quite simply it was part of the divide and conquer strategy. I sit back watching from a distance now and wonder why so many DMMs strive to please many of today's managers who have never laid a hand on a tool, managers who have jumped over the best LAMEs in this country to become Engineering leaders when they had failed in their pursuits to even attain a single aircraft licence, I sit back and think, you would have a better chance of moving a further step up the ladder if you went a got yourself an Arts degree.
DMM's have a title but they do not share in the management bonuses. Some feel like they are the meat in the sandwich but they only feel like that because they allow management to manipulate them. DMMs are covered entirely by the same wage agreement as a level 3 LAME. DMMs are not categorised as staff although management may wish you to think that way in order to have you break rank and stay back to supervise strikebreakers. At the end of the day, all DMMs in this country will benefit from the stand being made by all ALAEA LAMEs taking part in the Protected Action. I strongly urge you to continue to think of your workmates, fellow members and their families who are making the sacrifices that we all hope will bring the fair wage offer that has been long overdue.”
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sniggi has actually made 2 posts. the first one agreed with PAF!!!
to all staff going to bkk, fly thai or emirates, delays for the last 2 days brilliant on qf 1
to all staff going to bkk, fly thai or emirates, delays for the last 2 days brilliant on qf 1
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rumour around the place today is GE will be doing the engine change.....
....as for the rest of the damage I guess SIA or SASCO will send their highly skilled chaps........
Guess that'll mean several pages of holds when it stumbles home.........
....as for the rest of the damage I guess SIA or SASCO will send their highly skilled chaps........
Guess that'll mean several pages of holds when it stumbles home.........
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Daily update
Mr Qantas,
How about doing a daily report?
Just email it to all QF Lame's.
Maybe you could get one of the "special contract" guys to do it while he's waiting, after all you might as well get something for the money!
I'll look forward to reading mine if you dare!
How about doing a daily report?
Just email it to all QF Lame's.
Maybe you could get one of the "special contract" guys to do it while he's waiting, after all you might as well get something for the money!
I'll look forward to reading mine if you dare!
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Word has it Qantas is hunting around SQ for expat LAME's ? To join the Malaysian LAME's hoteled in Sydney...
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ACTU meeting was scheduled for Monday, it was postponed until tomorow. Representatives from all Qantas Engineering unions to attend.
In his letter to Dixon, ACTU Secretary Jeff Lawrence stated...
....and.....
It is dated 16th May 2008.
To quote a Qantas spokesperson from this article, dated 20th May 2008 (Today).....
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...182704321.html
Bloody liars!
In his letter to Dixon, ACTU Secretary Jeff Lawrence stated...
....it is of serious concern that a major and profitable Australian company would seek to impose a salary cut in real terms. Qantas workers have previously accepted a wage freeze to assist the company in difficult times but with a record profit forecast this is not acceptable
It is also quite shocking to view contracts negotiated by Qantas management and to in turn witness your refusal to deny that Qantas is in the process of engaging overseas contract labour to replace ALAEA members in the event that industrial action is taken pursuant to the bargaining notice provided by the union.
To quote a Qantas spokesperson from this article, dated 20th May 2008 (Today).....
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...182704321.html
He said the airline had yet to receive a letter from the ACTU requesting talks.
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