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Would he like to talk to other people who FOG and his cronies have dismembered. Not just the LAME'S but the Pilots, Cabin Crew and the office staff from Australian Airlines. The Mildura maintenance base workers etc you get my drift.... this is a culture this a
e has created. Spirit of Australia my foot
I hope the lame's get 10% they bloody deserve it. fight hard brothers
Would he like to talk to other people who FOG and his cronies have dismembered. Not just the LAME'S but the Pilots, Cabin Crew and the office staff from Australian Airlines. The Mildura maintenance base workers etc you get my drift.... this is a culture this a
e has created. Spirit of Australia my footI hope the lame's get 10% they bloody deserve it. fight hard brothers
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With all this PIA going on It looks like 2 of the golden children recently picked by the 2 legends in FNQ,have forgotten all the gems from there A330 course.
When I was there if a A330 had a low oil idg msg,It kind of gave you an idea of where to go and get rid of the msg.(stick good on you)
Maybe they where so worried about how to spend the allowances when they go and pick up he new one,they forgot the real job at hand.
I hope the internet man has time while he is away to learn new easy fix's for the bus,so untrained AME's like crabbie don't have to pull him out of the sh ,get out of the office more RAY,you may learn something
When I was there if a A330 had a low oil idg msg,It kind of gave you an idea of where to go and get rid of the msg.(stick good on you)
Maybe they where so worried about how to spend the allowances when they go and pick up he new one,they forgot the real job at hand.
I hope the internet man has time while he is away to learn new easy fix's for the bus,so untrained AME's like crabbie don't have to pull him out of the sh
,get out of the office more RAY,you may learn something
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Black-list investigated
The article below is out of today's Australian. QANTAS are obviously looking for ways to shaft the Association and all the engineers in it. If there are alternative workers in our midst, play nice with the other children in the sandpit. Sand in one's eyes is not a nice feeling. And while you're rubbing the sand out of your eye's, expect a kick in the guts from management.
This management has a lot of resources and won't blink an eyelid in using them against us, even if it costs them more than paying us our 5% entitlement.
As has been stated in earlier posts, next week will more than likely be the deciding week in which way this stand-off goes.
INDUSTRIAL action will continue today over the ongoing Qantas engineers pay dispute, with 19 flights already cancelled in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.
But a Qantas spokeswoman says all customers have been notified of the cancellations and accommodated on alternative flights.
Unionists, meanwhile, could face heavy fines if claims of intimidation during the dispute are proven.
The Federal Workplace Ombudsman is investigating a "blacklist" of strike breakers which is circulating in the industry to allegedly intimidate non-union members who could potentially be called in to do the work of striking engineers.
The Ombudsman will examine whether freedom of association provisions of the Workplace Relations Act have been breached.
Ombudsman spokesman Nicholas Wilson said the maximum penalty for a breach of the act is $33,000, which could multiply depending on the number of breaches found.
"This is a serious matter, and if proven to be true, could result in prosecution of the guilty party," Mr Wilson said.
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) federal president Paul Cousins said members could also face union action.
Mr Cousins said he knew of the blacklist's existence on forum websites but "hadn't seen one that's been drawn up".
"We don't see it as being something that needs to be paraded," he said.
"I'll let individuals carrying out these nefarious actions against their brothers know of the consequences."
Qantas said it was cooperating with the ombudsman.
Mr Cousins said action would start today in Perth from 1pm (AEST) and was expected to continue until about 1am Saturday.
More strikes were planned for tomorrow but members were committed to ensuring the Australian public was "100 per cent safe," Mr Cousins said.
"The most shortage is in manpower and logistics," he said
This management has a lot of resources and won't blink an eyelid in using them against us, even if it costs them more than paying us our 5% entitlement.
As has been stated in earlier posts, next week will more than likely be the deciding week in which way this stand-off goes.
INDUSTRIAL action will continue today over the ongoing Qantas engineers pay dispute, with 19 flights already cancelled in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.
But a Qantas spokeswoman says all customers have been notified of the cancellations and accommodated on alternative flights.
Unionists, meanwhile, could face heavy fines if claims of intimidation during the dispute are proven.
The Federal Workplace Ombudsman is investigating a "blacklist" of strike breakers which is circulating in the industry to allegedly intimidate non-union members who could potentially be called in to do the work of striking engineers.
The Ombudsman will examine whether freedom of association provisions of the Workplace Relations Act have been breached.
Ombudsman spokesman Nicholas Wilson said the maximum penalty for a breach of the act is $33,000, which could multiply depending on the number of breaches found.
"This is a serious matter, and if proven to be true, could result in prosecution of the guilty party," Mr Wilson said.
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) federal president Paul Cousins said members could also face union action.
Mr Cousins said he knew of the blacklist's existence on forum websites but "hadn't seen one that's been drawn up".
"We don't see it as being something that needs to be paraded," he said.
"I'll let individuals carrying out these nefarious actions against their brothers know of the consequences."
Qantas said it was cooperating with the ombudsman.
Mr Cousins said action would start today in Perth from 1pm (AEST) and was expected to continue until about 1am Saturday.
More strikes were planned for tomorrow but members were committed to ensuring the Australian public was "100 per cent safe," Mr Cousins said.
"The most shortage is in manpower and logistics," he said
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This is the link to ASX that shows the substantial change in share holding of QANTAS in the U.S. Very interesting what went on in tha board meeting in New York.
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/2008062...yn9fvk0j5b.pdf
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/2008062...yn9fvk0j5b.pdf
Regarding that notice of change in shareholding, you will note the shares are held by an American Nominee company, in other words, unless I am very mistaken, we don't know who the actual owner of the shares are - it's a secret.
Now what prompted an American company to buy shares in Qantas right now?
The CEO and Board is chanting Doom! Doom! Doom! Yet the Americans are buying in, Why ferchrisake???????????????????????????????
Would it be possible that the QF Board meeting that was held in New York last week triggered someone in America to buy QF shares?
The QF Board has a duty of continuous disclosure to the ASX - which are fulfilling by sending the ASX a notice, so I'm sure they are doing everything by the book.
Now why would anybody want QF shares just at this moment?
You would have to "mental" wouldn't you?
Oh wait, what happened to the APA bid?????????
ASIC, where are you?
Now what prompted an American company to buy shares in Qantas right now?
The CEO and Board is chanting Doom! Doom! Doom! Yet the Americans are buying in, Why ferchrisake???????????????????????????????
Would it be possible that the QF Board meeting that was held in New York last week triggered someone in America to buy QF shares?
The QF Board has a duty of continuous disclosure to the ASX - which are fulfilling by sending the ASX a notice, so I'm sure they are doing everything by the book.
Now why would anybody want QF shares just at this moment?
You would have to "mental" wouldn't you?
Oh wait, what happened to the APA bid?????????
ASIC, where are you?
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Asic wont do jack ,
The management wont change
We are stuck with these fwit managers if we agree to any EBA regardless of the pay outcome.
Ill take the 3%... just get rid of this entire management team......
If we lock in an EBA based on pay alone we are screwed... they will destroy us and their vindictive, destructive behavior will continue.
I can not work under these animals....
We can rebuild with the right people.... Dixon gets up people for telling him how to run an airline.... well some one should get up him and his pack off prks for trying to tell engineers how to fix aircraft!!!!
We cant let this opportunity go to purge this lot so called managers.
SP--- please!!!!
,The management wont change
We are stuck with these f
wit managers if we agree to any EBA regardless of the pay outcome.Ill take the 3%... just get rid of this entire management team......
If we lock in an EBA based on pay alone we are screwed... they will destroy us and their vindictive, destructive behavior will continue.
I can not work under these animals....
We can rebuild with the right people.... Dixon gets up people for telling him how to run an airline.... well some one should get up him and his pack off pr
ks for trying to tell engineers how to fix aircraft!!!!We cant let this opportunity go to purge this lot so called managers.
SP--- please!!!!
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Qantas, engineers agree to new pay talks
There has been a breakthrough in the dispute between Qantas and its engineers, but the development will not prevent another day of disruption for passengers.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) has called off two stop work meetings scheduled for next week after both parties agreed to resume negotiations on a stalled pay offer.
But planned industrial action in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney today will go ahead today, forcing the cancellation of at least 19 domestic flights and another three flights tomorrow.
There has been a breakthrough in the dispute between Qantas and its engineers, but the development will not prevent another day of disruption for passengers.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) has called off two stop work meetings scheduled for next week after both parties agreed to resume negotiations on a stalled pay offer.
But planned industrial action in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney today will go ahead today, forcing the cancellation of at least 19 domestic flights and another three flights tomorrow.
Just in From The ABC...Talks.
From the ABC 43 minutes ago:
Qantas, engineers agree to new pay talks - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Do exactly what your Fed. Sec. says.
Qantas, engineers agree to new pay talks - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Qantas, engineers agree to new pay talks
There has been a breakthrough in the dispute between Qantas and its engineers, but the development will not prevent another day of disruption for passengers.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) has called off two stop work meetings scheduled for next week after both parties agreed to resume negotiations on a stalled pay offer.
But planned industrial action in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney today will go ahead today, forcing the cancellation of at least 19 domestic flights and another three flights tomorrow.
ALAEA spokesman Steve Purvinas says he is hopeful an agreement will be reached soon.................
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"We've attended 40 meetings at this point of time with Qantas management and at each and every one of those they've said 'it's 3 per cent guys, take it or leave it'," he said.
"We are hoping that possibly next week they might be able to change tactics."
There has been a breakthrough in the dispute between Qantas and its engineers, but the development will not prevent another day of disruption for passengers.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) has called off two stop work meetings scheduled for next week after both parties agreed to resume negotiations on a stalled pay offer.
But planned industrial action in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney today will go ahead today, forcing the cancellation of at least 19 domestic flights and another three flights tomorrow.
ALAEA spokesman Steve Purvinas says he is hopeful an agreement will be reached soon.................
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"We've attended 40 meetings at this point of time with Qantas management and at each and every one of those they've said 'it's 3 per cent guys, take it or leave it'," he said.
"We are hoping that possibly next week they might be able to change tactics."
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The buzz around aviation circles is that the departure of the Qantas chief executive, Geoff Dixon, could be announced as early as August and he will depart in September. But an internal source the Herald spoke to yesterday was adamant that the handover of the top job won't take place until after the first-half result in February.
Sooner or later for Dixon? | smh.com.au
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The buzz around aviation circles is that the departure of the Qantas chief executive, Geoff Dixon, could be announced as early as August and he will depart in September. But an internal source the Herald spoke to yesterday was adamant that the handover of the top job won't take place until after the first-half result in February.
Sooner or later for Dixon? | smh.com.au
Bill Shorten on ABC's Q&A Program
Last night on the Q&A program Bill Shorten was asked a question about the Engineers action and pay claim. His response should be heartening for all those involved.
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re spin
What an age we live in.
Doug Mulray was right "Modern people are just no damn good" and I classify modern people as those people who have to spin ie, lie to win the argument and actually employ "spin doctors" to get the lie, er message out. They treat the public as mushrooms, a tissue of lies is just that " a tissue" having no substance.
Life has come down to the 5 second sound bite.
If the workers end up with 3% it will surely go down as one of the most pyrrhic victories for Australian management, they have disenfranchised one of the most critical groups in their organisation.
Like someone said in an earlier post pilots and engineers are in it for the long haul, they don't flit from job to job, career to career.
Doug Mulray was right "Modern people are just no damn good" and I classify modern people as those people who have to spin ie, lie to win the argument and actually employ "spin doctors" to get the lie, er message out. They treat the public as mushrooms, a tissue of lies is just that " a tissue" having no substance.
Life has come down to the 5 second sound bite.
If the workers end up with 3% it will surely go down as one of the most pyrrhic victories for Australian management, they have disenfranchised one of the most critical groups in their organisation.
Like someone said in an earlier post pilots and engineers are in it for the long haul, they don't flit from job to job, career to career.
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From the Workplace Ombudsman website.
Quote:
June 26, 2008
Qantas dispute - “blacklist” probe
The federal Workplace Ombudsman has initiated an immediate investigation into aspects of the Qantas engineers’ dispute.
Ombudsman Nicholas Wilson said today his inquiry had been prompted by allegations in today’s media that a blacklist of strike-breakers was being circulated within the airline industry as a means of intimidating non-union members.
The investigation will seek to determine if freedom of association provisions of the Workplace Relations Act have been breached.
“This is a serious matter, and if proven to be true, could result in prosecution of the guilty party,” Mr Wilson said.
The Workplace Ombudsman has been monitoring the Qantas industrial dispute and negotiating processes to ensure all parties comply with the Act.
Unquote.
Remember, this is a two-way street: if anybody has any proof of an 'intimidation' or 'get-even' list from management, pass it on to the WO and the Assoc. Two can play at this game!
June 26, 2008
Qantas dispute - “blacklist” probe
The federal Workplace Ombudsman has initiated an immediate investigation into aspects of the Qantas engineers’ dispute.
Ombudsman Nicholas Wilson said today his inquiry had been prompted by allegations in today’s media that a blacklist of strike-breakers was being circulated within the airline industry as a means of intimidating non-union members.
The investigation will seek to determine if freedom of association provisions of the Workplace Relations Act have been breached.
“This is a serious matter, and if proven to be true, could result in prosecution of the guilty party,” Mr Wilson said.
The Workplace Ombudsman has been monitoring the Qantas industrial dispute and negotiating processes to ensure all parties comply with the Act.
Unquote.
Remember, this is a two-way street: if anybody has any proof of an 'intimidation' or 'get-even' list from management, pass it on to the WO and the Assoc. Two can play at this game!
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Lol, come to think of it, Dicko does display a remarkable likeness to the emporer, at least he thinks he is the bloody emporer.
Lets not forget something too, it was Lord Vader who turned on the emporer and threw him to his death. Come on Borgetti, there is still time to save this airline from mismanagement.
Who on the board wants to play the part of Lord Vader and throw Dicko out on his ass ???
Any takers or are we all spineless nancy boys ???
Lol, won't be his right hand man, you know the one, the same man who defended QF and their handling of the infamous "staple" splice, at the dodgy overseas mro. The bloke looks like a copy of c3p0 with glasses.
Lets not forget something too, it was Lord Vader who turned on the emporer and threw him to his death. Come on Borgetti, there is still time to save this airline from mismanagement.
Who on the board wants to play the part of Lord Vader and throw Dicko out on his ass ???
Any takers or are we all spineless nancy boys ???
Lol, won't be his right hand man, you know the one, the same man who defended QF and their handling of the infamous "staple" splice, at the dodgy overseas mro. The bloke looks like a copy of c3p0 with glasses.
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Insider trading..???
Sunfish,
Could there be a whiff of inside trading in the NY buying of QF shares, for it does not mean that the shares are being bought by offshore investors??
With a price of around $A3 now and the supposed value of QF shares beind $A5.45 (aka APA) some "in the know" might see it as the time to buy.
And what could trigger a significant jump in th QF share price?
Could there be a whiff of inside trading in the NY buying of QF shares, for it does not mean that the shares are being bought by offshore investors??
With a price of around $A3 now and the supposed value of QF shares beind $A5.45 (aka APA) some "in the know" might see it as the time to buy.
And what could trigger a significant jump in th QF share price?
- Settlement of the Engineers dispute / EBA.
- The knowledge that the present fuel prices are the result of speculative buying ( and that QF are well hedged against those high prices).
- THE IMMINENT DEPARTURE OF GD AND SOME ENGINEERING "MANAGEMENT"???????
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Freedom of Association
In light of recent developments I'd suggest we all avail ourselves of the following;
I am not aware that anyone on the alleged list has been subjected to any form or abuse or discrimination based upon the existance of the list. Being disappointed in someone or ashamed of someone is neither of these. Vocalising these feelings is borderline and should be avoided, as should total ignoring of these individuals. Sadly you must continue to interact with these people or QF will set their bloodsuckers onto you via the ombudsman.
Just watched Bill Shorten's comments and I doubt very much his views were not strictly in line with the cabinet's stance. He simply would be repeating cabinet's position. All good for us.
To quote;
"these engineers are worth EVERY penny"
Freedom of Association
Employees and independent contractors, as well as employers, are free to join or not to join industrial organisations of their choice. The right of entry provisions of the Industrial Relations Act 1996 No 17 [NSW Legislation website] provide certain rights for union officers to enter employers' premises, in some circumstances without the consent of the employer.
What is freedom of association?
Employees and independent contractors, as well as employers, are free to join or not to join industrial organisations of their choice. 'Industrial organisations' means trade unions (employee organisations) and employer associations.
The exception is where a person is lawfully expelled from an organisation according to its rules and the relevant laws. Both the NSW Industrial Relations Act 1996 and the federal Workplace Relations Act 1996 [Austlii website] have sections that entitle all Australians to freedom of association.
Are 'closed shops' allowed?
An arrangement to employ a member of any industrial organisation over a non-member, or a member of another industrial organisation cannot be enforced at law. Awards and agreements cannot give a right of preference in employment to union members.
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What is freedom from victimisation?
Both state and federal laws state that an employer or industrial organisation cannot discriminate against or victimise someone because they are, or are not, a member of a trade union or employer association. Victimisation on the basis of the following is prohibited:
being a union official or elected representative
engaging in or refusing to engage in industrial action
claiming a lawful benefit or entitlement
providing information about an employer's breach of the law
engaging in or proposing to engage in a public or political activity (unless it interferes with the person's work)
Workers currently employed, and those applying for a job, are protected
Employees and independent contractors, as well as employers, are free to join or not to join industrial organisations of their choice. The right of entry provisions of the Industrial Relations Act 1996 No 17 [NSW Legislation website] provide certain rights for union officers to enter employers' premises, in some circumstances without the consent of the employer.
What is freedom of association?
Employees and independent contractors, as well as employers, are free to join or not to join industrial organisations of their choice. 'Industrial organisations' means trade unions (employee organisations) and employer associations.
The exception is where a person is lawfully expelled from an organisation according to its rules and the relevant laws. Both the NSW Industrial Relations Act 1996 and the federal Workplace Relations Act 1996 [Austlii website] have sections that entitle all Australians to freedom of association.
Are 'closed shops' allowed?
An arrangement to employ a member of any industrial organisation over a non-member, or a member of another industrial organisation cannot be enforced at law. Awards and agreements cannot give a right of preference in employment to union members.
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What is freedom from victimisation?
Both state and federal laws state that an employer or industrial organisation cannot discriminate against or victimise someone because they are, or are not, a member of a trade union or employer association. Victimisation on the basis of the following is prohibited:
being a union official or elected representative
engaging in or refusing to engage in industrial action
claiming a lawful benefit or entitlement
providing information about an employer's breach of the law
engaging in or proposing to engage in a public or political activity (unless it interferes with the person's work)
Workers currently employed, and those applying for a job, are protected
I am not aware that anyone on the alleged list has been subjected to any form or abuse or discrimination based upon the existance of the list. Being disappointed in someone or ashamed of someone is neither of these. Vocalising these feelings is borderline and should be avoided, as should total ignoring of these individuals. Sadly you must continue to interact with these people or QF will set their bloodsuckers onto you via the ombudsman.
Just watched Bill Shorten's comments and I doubt very much his views were not strictly in line with the cabinet's stance. He simply would be repeating cabinet's position. All good for us.
To quote;
"these engineers are worth EVERY penny"
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