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NutLoose 18th June 2023 01:10

This is interesting pre war what Russia was after military size wise for Ukraine. Why does one get the feeling they whipped this up last night on a PC and are trying to pass it off as an agreement :oh:

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NutLoose 18th June 2023 01:43

Preparing Russia for defeat?

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NutLoose 18th June 2023 02:31

Nukem Dukem. Now wants to nuke the Dnipro region, the crossing points for arms into Ukraine along with Poland, Germany and Slovakia, I don’t know if to feel disappointed as the U.K. hasn’t been specifically named this time, just mentioned as a NATO country.


NutLoose 18th June 2023 02:43

Ukrainian services rescuing people from their roofs in occupied territory, one Russian attempt to respond was rapidly seen off.

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fdr 18th June 2023 04:05


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11452742)
This is interesting pre war what Russia was after military size wise for Ukraine. Why does one get the feeling they whipped this up last night on a PC and are trying to pass it off as an agreement :oh:



https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/...C9zdjMxa0uAAAA


Russia would wish to have that level of demilitarisation of the Russian federation Military. How things change in a year!, [or since MS DOC writing last night...]

wondering 18th June 2023 04:15


Originally Posted by petit plateau (Post 11452625)
Russian losses suggest quite a lot is going on

https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaf...mEEmsrLUZSY5Rl

The likely exchange ratio suggests that Ukraine is prioritising hollowing out the opposition in a frugal manner, over simply acquiring land at high cost

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sive-frontline

This suggests otherwise:

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/...icide-mission/

Ru rotary aviation alive and kicking.

How to effectively combat it without appropriate air assets?

ORAC 18th June 2023 06:19

Massive explosion/fire which has been burning for hours at Rikove, reportedly an ammunition train unloading at an Ammon depot on the main line between Crimea and Melitopol.

​​​​​​​The Air Force confirmed the destruction of an ammunition depot in the Kherson region

“You saw the burning ammunition depot. The commander already thanked the boys for their good work. Less ammunition, more fire,” Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ignat said.

ORAC 18th June 2023 06:23

https://english.nv.ua/nation/russian...-50332646.html

Russian units in Kherson Oblast and Crimea, stricken in cholera outbreak, ‘losing combat effectiveness’

An epidemic of cholera is spreading among Russian military personnel in Kherson Oblast and Crimea following a Russian terrorist attack onthe Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant, the Atesh partisan movement reported on Telegram on June 17.….

The latest information reveals that numerous occupiers with suspected cases of cholera are being admitted to military hospitals on a daily basis.

“The targeted units along the Kherson direction, positioned along the North-Crimean Canal, are losing their operational capabilities and are being evacuated to the rear for treatment,” the message reads.

It is known that several military personnel have already died. The cholera epidemic most likely arose due to the Russians using water from open sources. It is noted that they are facing difficulties in obtaining bottled or purified water.

“Naturally, the undermining of the Kakhovka dam has caused colossal damage to the environment, resulting in the outbreak of numerous diseases we have yet to hear about.”

“We urge the residents of Kherson Oblast and Crimea to exercise particular caution regarding the water they consume,” Atesh added.

Deputy Minister of Health and Chief Sanitary Doctor Ihor Kuzin had previously stated that a cholera outbreak could occur following the Russian invaders’ sabotage of the Kakhovka dam.

Beamr 18th June 2023 06:41

J. Goebbels... wait, D. Peskovs daily dose of vatnik propaganda: De-militarizing of Ukraine largely complete for the UAF is not using their old Soviet era weapons anymore.
So, RU has achieved their goals, does this mean they'll go home now?
You couldn't make this up, Hollywood.



ORAC 18th June 2023 07:13

Lots of reports in the press about how the Ukrainian counterattack is being hit hard by Russian attack helicopters as they advance over the flat fields.

They need more organic embedded AD such as Starstreak, though they did take out 2 yesterday.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....63bb9d8e7d.png

NutLoose 18th June 2023 10:05


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11452796)
J. Goebbels... wait, D. Peskovs daily dose of vatnik propaganda: De-militarizing of Ukraine largely complete for the UAF is not using their old Soviet era weapons anymore.
So, RU has achieved their goals, does this mean they'll go home now?
You couldn't make this up, Hollywood.

Ahh, so the we had two tanks, we lost one, but someone else gave us 100 more, therefore they are now only 50% effective and demilitarised as they lost a tank logic

Good old Russia, this again sounds like a possible end game play, tell the locals at home the goal to demilitarise Ukraine is about complete so mission accomplished and withdraw. How the work around handing back Crimea will work etc, as it will be a hard one to feed the Russians back home.

NutLoose 18th June 2023 10:14

Interesting update on what’s happening at front.


Wokkafans 18th June 2023 10:22

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NutLoose 18th June 2023 10:22

Challenger!!

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NutLoose 18th June 2023 10:28

Good thread to read, seems to think Russia is trying to bleed Ukrainian troops dry before reaching the main defence lines

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NutLoose 18th June 2023 10:38

Finally one Russian propagandist has had his eyes opened..

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NutLoose 18th June 2023 10:52

Ok, what do you make of this?

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FUMR 18th June 2023 11:01


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11452905)

​​​​​​​I'd say more Putin lies.

ORAC 18th June 2023 11:02

In a word - bollocks…

The paper notes the Ukrainian and Russian starting positions (Russian in italics, Ukrainian in plain text), which are so far apart they’re barely on the same page…..

Certainly no agreement, of any kind, because the talks broke up and both sides went home.

DODGYOLDFART 18th June 2023 11:36


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11452913)
In a word - bollocks…

The paper notes the Ukrainian and Russian starting positions (Russian in italics, Ukrainian in plain text), which are so far apart they’re barely on the same page…..

Certainly no agreement, of any kind, because the talks broke up and both sides went home.

Absolutely Bang On.

The mood music now seems to suggest Putrid is now trying to convince the Russian people and Africa that he has won.

How stupid can Putrid get? If you b*gger the water supply don't be surprised if your troops go down with cholera and other nasty diseases.


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