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rattman 15th June 2023 22:15

Merkavas to europe, assume that means someones tanks are going to ukraine, greece (leo 1's), and cyprus (T-80) seem logical contenders

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ry-2023-06-15/

NutLoose 15th June 2023 22:58

If in doubt hang ‘em, Solovyev’s answer to any Russian dissenters

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jolihokistix 15th June 2023 23:17

Surely some of the worst Nazi behaviour was when exasperated troops resorted to public hangings of the unwilling population Maquis in France.
Sarcasm on/ Not that Putin is Nazi-like in his behaviour /sarcasm off.

NutLoose 15th June 2023 23:37

And he is not alone, another barking mad individual that needs stcking up against a wall and reeducation.

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NutLoose 15th June 2023 23:42

Not good off Odesa, this will be reeking havoc on the wildlife

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rattman 16th June 2023 00:48

Some reports of another mass casualty event from russians grouping together to hear a speech from some higher up. This is different from the one reported on a few days ago. This one seems close to the front with drone assisted artillery fire


jolihokistix 16th June 2023 01:20

The 'other' one involved a wait of two hours or so, no? Do these top commanders think they are rock stars, or are they simply drunk?

wondering 16th June 2023 01:49


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11451384)
When there is a very fluid, hard-fought situation as currently in an advancing army and there are numerous enemy casualties spread around, how quickly would the advancing troops :
a) Check them for potential to carry on fighting/ shoot them in the back ( and possibly mark wounded ) ?
b) Search for wounded and evacuate them ?
c) Evacuate the dead ?

Since Ruzzians booby trap even their own dead soldiers, I'd be cautious to get near anything Ruzzian.

Winemaker 16th June 2023 03:05


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11451677)
If in doubt hang ‘em, Solovyev’s answer to any Russian dissenters



​​​​​​​https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...C-_b-QhKsuAAAA

Why do the Russians like all the flashing blue lights on their TV shows? Weird.

Rockie_Rapier 16th June 2023 03:05


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11451711)
The 'other' one involved a wait of two hours or so, no? Do these top commanders think they are rock stars, or are they simply drunk?

This is something else that comes down from the top in Russia.

When Putin met Obama he kept Obama waiting for 20 minutes, when he met with HM the Queen he kept her waiting for still longer.

I guess it's a way of saying, "my time is more valuable than yours".

ORAC 16th June 2023 05:28

Pentagon leaks suspect faces 60 years in jail after indictment

The US airman suspected of leaking more than 100 pages of classified documents online faces up to 60 years in jail after being charged with six counts of retaining and transmitting classified national defence information.

Jack Teixeira, a Massachusetts air national guardsman, was indicted by a federal grand jury in Boston two months after being arrested by FBI agents for posting secrets on Discord, a messaging platform.

Each charge under the Espionage Act carries a sentence of up to ten years in prison, up to three years of supervised release and a fine of up to $250,000.

Teixeira, 21, allegedly shared highly classified military documents… about Russia’s war in Ukraine and other national security issues…..

ORAC 16th June 2023 05:38

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...ders-llksdzdgk

Russia deepfake video mocks Rishi Sunak and Joe Biden

Rishi Sunak spins the wheel of sanctions and lands on a hedgehog, in Brussels Ursula von der Leyen is taking a hard line on salads and wolfhounds, and in Berlin Olaf Scholz is out of ideas and turns to ChatGPT for help.

If the most sophisticated deepfake videos blur the line between reality and make-believe, Moscow’s latest propaganda push takes a sledgehammer to it.

Shared on the social media channels of the Kremlin’s diplomatic outposts in Europe, a video entitled “11th package of sanctions (behind the scenes)” features President Biden banging his head against a wall and, in a fit of pique, President Macron manhandling a signpost.

Originally created by the Kremlin-controlled broadcaster RT, the video starts in the Oval Office, where an AI-generated Biden says: “No, no, no, that’s bull. We need fresh ideas, stronger and more effective,” as he throws away documents and bangs his head against the wall.

Scholz is later shown typing “ideas for sanctions against Russia” into the AI platform ChatGPT…..

Recently the Kremlin has doubled down on its disinformation campaign. On Tuesday it was revealed Russia was responsible for a fake news story designed to convince French people that the country was threatened by a radioactive cloud caused by British weapons supplied to Ukraine.

The vast disinformation campaign involved cloning western newspaper websites in an attempt to undermine support for Ukraine, according to Catherine Colonna, the French foreign minister.

There were at least 49 such articles involving Le Parisien, seven involving 20 Minutes, a free newspaper, and one each for Le Monde and Le Figaro….


ORAC 16th June 2023 06:14

Ukrainian fighter pilots are being trained to fly F-16 jets, Nato’s secretary general has revealed, as Kyiv claimed further incremental progress in its counteroffensive against Russian forces in the east and south of Ukraine.

Nato allies have yet to agree on delivering the so-called fourth-generation US fighters to Ukraine, but Jens Stoltenberg said that the training of Ukrainian personnel was under way.

“The fact that training has started provides us with the option to also decide to deliver the planes and then the pilots will be ready to fly them,” the former prime minister of Norway said as he arrived at a meeting of defence ministers in Brussels.…

[email protected] 16th June 2023 07:40


Russia deepfake video mocks Rishi Sunak and Joe Biden
It's pretty much all they have left and the only ones convinced by it will be the same ones who think Putin is a strong and competent leader.

If it makes them feel better while they are getting their ar8es kicked on the battlefield then fine.

I'm sure there are equally gifted people on Ukraine's side who could make much funnier ones up about Putin - although the RT comedy shows are already entertaining.

ORAC 16th June 2023 07:45

Ukrainian POWs being held on the territory of an EU/NATO country without consular, Red Cross or UN access?

Ukraine said it has established the location of 11 captured defenders who, after being captured by the Russians, are being held on the territory of Hungary.

This is reported by Oleh Kotenko, Commissioner for issues of persons missing under special circumstances.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d638f7eaf.png
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Video Mixdown 16th June 2023 07:50


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11451806)
It's pretty much all they have left and the only ones convinced by it will be the same ones who think Putin is a strong and competent leader.
If it makes them feel better while they are getting their ar8es kicked on the battlefield then fine.
I'm sure there are equally gifted people on Ukraine's side who could make much funnier ones up about Putin - although the RT comedy shows are already entertaining.

I look on the targets of their propaganda attacks as an indication of the the things that are hurting them most, however much they deny it.

fdr 16th June 2023 07:53


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11451806)
It's pretty much all they have left and the only ones convinced by it will be the same ones who think Putin is a strong and competent leader.

If it makes them feel better while they are getting their ar8es kicked on the battlefield then fine.

I'm sure there are equally gifted people on Ukraine's side who could make much funnier ones up about Putin - although the RT comedy shows are already entertaining.


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11451688)
And he is not alone, another barking mad individual that needs stcking up against a wall and reeducation.

https://twitter.com/yasminalombaert/...43391132770304

The Russian talking heads are pretty eager to propose capital punishment of citizens of Russia, Ukrainians, and pretty much everyone else that doesn't have a speaking part on RT TV propaganda. When the Russian population work out that 1/4 Million of their sons and husbands have died due in part to the goading and puffing of the RT propagandists, would assume that from the 20 million or so relatives that have lost someone either in the Russian military, the Tic Tok brigade, Wagoneeers, or as innocent victims within Ukraine, one or two might bear a bit of a grudge against the individuals who pushed the message of hate forward. The ICC might never have to disinfect after the talking heads have been in the dock, but I would think these clowns might be holding their breath every time they turn on their ignition or hear footsteps behind them. Shame.

skua 16th June 2023 08:08

BBC bigging up this story this morning. They appear to have done some gritty research.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...0-6990f2c4e5d0

soarbum 16th June 2023 08:26


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11448168)
Can't see an obvious reason why a failure of the area at B would result in a failure at A, but the reverse is quite possible. The high velocity and mass flow through the breach at A would result in a counter clockwise vortex flow around the left bank, (and a clockwise vortex around the right bank but the geometry of the walls there is quite different). The counter clockwise vortex on the left bank would scour the area of the left bank, and that should have had an erosion cladding of some form to prevent erosion from the normal flow from the turbines, which are much lower exit velocity than the spillway flow, but still will result in a vortex structure in that area.

I don't want to rehash old news but fdr, I saw another pic of the dam that validates your theory that the spillways failed first and the channel down the left eroded subsequently.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c88da7a137.jpg

Expatrick 16th June 2023 08:33


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11451808)
Ukrainian POWs being held on the territory of an EU/NATO country without consular, Red Cross or UN access?

​​​​​​​Under the Geneva convention pows can be transferred to a third country. The complication here is that, theoretically, they remain as pows. However Hungary has now set them free, on the basis that as they also possess Hungarian citizenship, ie hold dual citizenship, a state that Ukraine does not recognise.


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