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NutLoose 12th June 2023 20:46


Originally Posted by Rescue3 (Post 11449959)
I agree but the conscripts just probably wanted to "withdraw" to a safer place with little or no thought that there own side would attack, let alone shoot them.
If the film is verified then i feel sorry for them and their families [who will probably be lied to, ie died courageously defending, chose a lada, goat, cow, cooking oil or whatever].
Perhaps they should have advanced forward with white flags, from what i've read they would be treated with the respect that POWs are afforded.

it’s the standard Russian system going back to WW2, shoot those fleeing so they stand and fight, they have troops behind the line to specifically do this.

ORAC 12th June 2023 21:14

Maybe time for the Ukrainians to let the Russians sort it out amongst themselves…

​​​​​​​Today, Shoigu ordered Russian soldiers that they shoot to kill any Wagner PMC mercenaries they encounter.….

ORAC 12th June 2023 21:27

Meanwhile in Russia: Professor Dmitry Evstafiev claimed that life in Germany has gotten so bad that everyday Germans want to invade Russia, so they can rob and kill Russians.

Evstafiev argued that Germans haven't changed in the last 80 years.…


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Lonewolf_50 12th June 2023 21:31


Today, Shoigu ordered Russian soldiers that they shoot to kill any Wagner PMC mercenaries they encounter.….
ORAC, did Peter Sellers write this script?

ORAC 12th June 2023 21:31

Ukraine, Moldova signed deal to build bridge across the Dniester River near Ukraine's Yampil and Moldova's Cosăuţi

The bridge will provide the shortest route between central Ukraine and Central/Southeast Europe, bypassing Russian-occupied Transnistria.

​​​​​​​https://t.co/osvO54lHC8

NutLoose 12th June 2023 22:04

Another train hit, this time a loco.

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NutLoose 12th June 2023 22:12

Chinese parts found in Iranian drones.

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NutLoose 12th June 2023 22:16

Russian remanufactured T80BVM captured.


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NutLoose 12th June 2023 22:20

Ukraines advance has slowed down in some areas :E

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NutLoose 12th June 2023 22:25

Another Russian Major General is permanently demoted.


NutLoose 12th June 2023 22:58

A Pissed Putin, spouting sh@t hopefully we will see his demise soon enough.


Sue Vêtements 12th June 2023 23:34


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450013)
it’s the standard Russian system going back to WW2, shoot those fleeing so they stand and fight, they have troops behind the line to specifically do this.

Well they should be careful if they do. I mean they might miss their own fleeing soldier and end up accidentally wounding someone from the other side :=

NutLoose 12th June 2023 23:55

Satellite images of the NPP ponds showing the lake flow has ceased to refill it.

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Beamr 13th June 2023 03:22

Handy. There must be quite a lot of grunt on it to pull up that nine kilos of tnt.



fdr 13th June 2023 04:07


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450048)
A Pissed Putin, spouting sh@t hopefully we will see his demise soon enough.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...CwxbO0_6YuAAAA


But... is this correct??? I thought he was a vegan, tee totaler former arts student.... with a bit of a beef (soy beef) about inferior races. Surely a man of his "stature" would not speak such things that are so obviously projections of his own actions, something that seems to be on the rise.

correction:

But... is this correct??? I thought he was a vegan, tee totaler former arts student.... with a bit of a beef (soy beef) about inferior races. Surely a man of his "stature" would not speak such things that are so obviously projections of his own actions, something that seems to be on the rise.

[ got the date wrong, it's not 1941 still]

Winemaker 13th June 2023 04:38


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11450104)
But... is this correct??? I thought he was a vegan, tee totaler former arts student.... with a bit of a beef (soy beef) about inferior races. Surely a man of his "stature" would not speak such things that are so obviously projections of his own actions, something that seems to be on the rise.

correction:

But... is this correct??? I thought he was a vegan, tee totaler former arts student.... with a bit of a beef (soy beef) about inferior races. Surely a man of his "stature" would not speak such things that are so obviously projections of his own actions, something that seems to be on the rise.

[ got the date wrong, it's not 1941 still]

It's interesting how every (most) times we see Putin he has a glass of whatever in his right hand. Hmmm.

SOPS 13th June 2023 05:44


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11450112)
It's interesting how every (most) times we see Putin he has a glass of whatever in his right hand. Hmmm.

I have been thinking the same thing.

ORAC 13th June 2023 07:35

So, will they try and take Tokmak or by-pass it?

They will already have cut off the vital road and rail links the Russians need to supply the troops in Kherson and Crimea, so no need to burn troops in urban fighting when they can press on to the coast.

And b6 all reports these are just still shaping operations - they haven’t committed their heavy armour units yet - and Russia has used up over 90% of their reserves already…..

Russian military sources claim Ukrainian Armed Forces are approaching Tokmak, last major settlement 63km north of Melitopol, and Volnovakha, last major settlement 65km north of Mariupol. Squeeze of Berdyansk on the coast expected and Russian units will be encircled on both sides.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8487f683bc.png
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ORAC 13th June 2023 08:42

Russian Defence Minister Shoigu's recent bid to control the Wagner Group is reportedly motivated by Russian elites aiming to stop Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin becoming a player in future turmoil. Meanwhile, an apparent leak accuses Wagner of massive theft of military fuel. ⬇️

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...292072965.html
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Tartiflette Fan 13th June 2023 09:04


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11450196)
Russian Defence Minister Shoigu's recent bid to control the Wagner Group is reportedly motivated by Russian elites aiming to stop Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin becoming a player in future turmoil. Meanwhile, an apparent leak accuses Wagner of massive theft of military fuel. ⬇️

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...292072965.html

Major exaggeration there, presumably to raise the heat on Wagner. The quantities listed only amount to one - or perhaps two small - rail-tankers.


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11450169)
Russian military sources claim Ukrainian Armed Forces are approaching Tokmak, last major settlement 63km north of Melitopol, and Volnovakha, last major settlement 65km north of Mariupol. Squeeze of Berdyansk on the coast expected

Looking at that map it appears Ukraine could already cut the supply line through Melitopol - and thus supplies to Crimea - as the distance from Orikhiv is 80 km which is the maximum Himars range. That would however mean bringing the Himars launchers right up to the front, which may well be deemed too dangerous, unless there is some strategic stationary link - such as a bridge - that they could target in a shoot-and-scoot manoeuvre.

It really would be excellent if the GLSDB supplies could arrive now so that UKA could hammer that supply route: hopefully we will be surprised by news of many explosions between 50 km and 80 km behind the front, some morning in the near future.


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