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ORAC 14th June 2023 22:01

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Jour...Command-Posts/

The Graveyard of Command Posts

What Chornobaivka Should Teach Us about Command and Control in Large-Scale Combat Operations

ORAC 15th June 2023 06:46

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...f-a-18-hornets

Ukraine’s Interest In Australia’s F/A-18 Hornets Confirmed

Ukraine’s ambassador to Australia tells us Kyiv is in the process of checking out the Australian Hornets to see if they will fit its needs.

langleybaston 15th June 2023 08:52


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11451112)
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Jour...Command-Posts/

The Graveyard of Command Posts

What Chornobaivka Should Teach Us about Command and Control in Large-Scale Combat Operations

The content is interesting.

Unfortunately it comes across as a horse designed by a committee: you end up with a camel [in this case a herd of camels]

If I had submitted a paper as badly written as this to Sandy Wilson my ar$e would have been on fire. The essence could comfortably be given on two sides of A4 in 10 point font.

Standing by for my CP to be devastated by incoming. Move in 5.

NutLoose 15th June 2023 09:31


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11451231)
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...f-a-18-hornets

Ukraine’s Interest In Australia’s F/A-18 Hornets Confirmed

Ukraine’s ambassador to Australia tells us Kyiv is in the process of checking out the Australian Hornets to see if they will fit its needs.

Already posted about it and discussed, though that pads it out.

More images of the state of ammo being provided to the Russian Forces, it make you wonder, did they tidy it up a bit before they sent it?


NutLoose 15th June 2023 09:50

The drones the UK is participating in sending.


NutLoose 15th June 2023 10:01

Russia has some superb officers.... NOT


"It was near Kremennaya, a tragic incident occurred in one of the divisions that were about to go on the offensive. For two hours people stood in a crowd in one place and waited for the division commander to say his motivating speech. But instead of him, the HIMARS MLRS and enemy artillery had their say. In the South Donetsk direction, in a few days there were fewer casualties in the battles than from the criminal stupidity of the division commander."

Tartiflette Fan 15th June 2023 10:05

Parade of troops in Kreminna hit by Himars - heavy losses
 
A large number of troops/armoured vehicles were called to a parade to hear a motivational speech from their divisional commander, General Suhrab Akmedov. They ended up waiting more than two hours and were then hit by Himars and artillery salvos. This has been confirmed by the Moscow Times. Military bloggers were bitterly critical of Akmedov, who also commanded the 155th Guards Naval Infantry Brigade that suffered very heavy losses in the November '22 attacks on Vuhledar*. One commented " We are at war with our own stupidity and incompetence "

Unconfirmed losses, but some Telegram bloggers said numbers were in the hundreds: more than one day's casualties on the whole (regional ) front.

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._57275780.html
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-tro...eports-1806750

*https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...-losses-a79303

NutLoose 15th June 2023 10:06

Well this can't be legal, they are prisioners of war.


NutLoose 15th June 2023 10:12

Belarus Nukes, and the proxy nuclear war, listen to this nutter and his last line says it all.


NutLoose 15th June 2023 10:14

Awesome!


Video Mixdown 15th June 2023 10:47


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11451316)
More images of the state of ammo being provided to the Russian Forces, it make you wonder, did they tidy it up a bit before they sent it?

Not a pallet in sight. I assume they just use conscripts to hump and dump it.

NutLoose 15th June 2023 11:18

yes they do not have forklifts, so hence no pallets

Tartiflette Fan 15th June 2023 11:26

When there is a very fluid, hard-fought situation as currently in an advancing army and there are numerous enemy casualties spread around, how quickly would the advancing troops :
a) Check them for potential to carry on fighting/ shoot them in the back ( and possibly mark wounded ) ?
b) Search for wounded and evacuate them ?
c) Evacuate the dead ?

NutLoose 15th June 2023 11:57

Errr, and if you did
A you would deserve all you got from their side.
B is what you do, but I doubt you would go out of your way searching an area that is still hot, that is for the follow on troops.
C again a task for the follow on troops and clearing up folks.

Tartiflette Fan 15th June 2023 12:01


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11451403)
Errr, and if you did
A you would deserve all you got from their side.
B is what you do, but I doubt you would go out of your way searching an area that is still hot, that is for the follow on troops.
C again a task for the follow on troops and clearing up folks.

Misunderstanding there. I meant the wounded possibly still being capable of carrying on the fight, not summary execution.

NutLoose 15th June 2023 12:06

Then you would disarm them,and evacuate to the rear, if they continued fighting and were a threat, ie shooting at you, you would kill them end off.

fdr 15th June 2023 12:40


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11451349)
Belarus Nukes, and the proxy nuclear war, listen to this nutter and his last line says it all.



https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...C8rcibqaouAAAA


They have forgotten the caution to Khruschev by JFK on the Cuban missile crisis. The Last Dicktaster of Europe (LDE) might flick a bucket of sunshine, pretty sure that NATO and the USA will respond directly against Russia, as well as the LDE. Not a comfortable position, but that is the problem with an insecure sociopath. Recall what the general release following an IRBM based in Cuba was going to be? :ugh:

Spunky Monkey 15th June 2023 16:05

For Casualties and POWs in the UK ORBAT it is the job of the Company Sgt Major's team to arrange.
The medics would liaise be under the control of the CSM. They can be stand alone units.
The casualties would be passed back to the Regimental Aid Post who would carry out triage for movement further back to field hospitals and repatriation.
This is for a combat arm in a combat scenario where the battlefield is changing quickly - ie in an Armoured Brigade.
In a more static environment such as Afghanistan, then above points would be in name only and the casualties would be moved back many times from the point of injury direct to the hospital by helicopter.
The same is true of POWs.
The CSM working with the RSM would deal with the selection and triage of POWs, within the ORBAT there would be teams whose specific job is to process them.
Like anything with stripes the movement and actions of an NCO are a dark art.

albatross 15th June 2023 17:03

The Ukrainians are not, for the most part, dealing with fanatical, highly motivated troops. The better the enemy thinks they will be treated if they surrender, the more likely to do so.
This would make the battle easier to win.
If they enemy believes they will be killed if they surrender the harder they will resist.

ORAC 15th June 2023 22:11

Two unidentified European countries, with US backing, are reportedly set to purchase hundreds of old Merkava II and III tanks from Israel.

I have a notion about where these tanks might end up….


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