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NutLoose 14th June 2023 12:08


NutLoose 14th June 2023 12:23

Prigozhin gathered another meeting to discuss the current state of events


NutLoose 14th June 2023 12:26

So the Russian were mining the Dnipro river.



Tartiflette Fan 14th June 2023 12:36


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11450866)
I thought Lukashenko was at death's door in a hospital in Moscow following having taken tea with Putin and his son was visiting with the Chinese to safeguard his future, What happened?

They accelerated the look-alike production line after perfecting it with Putin.

ORAC 14th June 2023 12:41

Police officers from the Donetsk region have reportedly been rounded up and taken to Mariupol in preparation for deployment to the front line. Their wives are protesting that they have been taken under false pretences and that none of them have agreed to military service.

The ASTRA Telegram has published a video of a wife angrily protesting to 'Donetsk People's Republic' (DNR) officials. She says that her husband and employees of other municipal departments have been taken to a training ground in Mariupol for pre-deployment training.

According to the man's wife, the policemen were told, "This is the last time you are training today, the commander is coming, and you are being taken to the first line of demarcation in the 'Cascade' battalion."….

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...613358593.html

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FUMR 14th June 2023 12:43


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11450866)
I thought Lukashenko was at death's door in a hospital in Moscow following having taken tea with Putin and his son was visiting with the Chinese to safeguard his future, What happened?

My exact thoughts this morning too. These were important developments which seemingly have not been updated.

NutLoose 14th June 2023 13:13

This is getting more like the Fourth Reich as it goes on.. I wonder if they will be building camps next to the factories next.


Russia's top carmaker Avtovaz has asked a regional prison service to help it plug a labour shortage with people sentenced to forced labour as it tries to meet increased production targets.

Russia's unemployment rate dropped to a record low 3.3% in April, highlighting the labour shortage that is stifling economic growth. A partial mobilisation of troops in September saw hundreds of thousands of mostly young, working-age men called up to the army while others fled the country to avoid being drafted.

The Samara region's branch of Russia's federal prison service, FSIN, said it had met with Avtovaz, which wanted to increase the pace and volume of production by 28% from September, and by 40% from January.

Avtovaz declined to comment. The Samara FSIN did not specify the level upon which Avtovaz's production growth targets were based. Factories across Russia collectively produced just 450,000 cars last year, the industry's worst showing since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"In this regard, and also taking into account the extremely tense situation on the labour market of Togliatti and the Samara region, the plant's representative asked the (prison service's) management for support and assistance in selecting staff for the enterprise from those sentenced to forced labour," the prison service said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...97c2e5f7&ei=69

ORAC 14th June 2023 14:35


Originally Posted by Ninthace
I thought Lukashenko was at death's door in a hospital in Moscow following having taken tea with Putin and his son was visiting with the Chinese to safeguard his future, What happened?
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He was still missing at important meetings up to a week ago and just reappeared - whether he has a body double or has recovered enough to appear in short TV interviews is a question to be answered…..

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-b1081053.html

https://eng.belta.by/president/view/...h-159582-2023/

NutLoose 14th June 2023 14:47

Five!! Russian 2S19 Msta-S 152mm self-propelled howitzers in one engagement :ok:


NutLoose 14th June 2023 14:51

Sat views of the dried up lake next to the NPP


NutLoose 14th June 2023 15:04

Swiss to decommission 25 Leopard 2, which means they might be able to sell them.


bugged on the right 14th June 2023 15:25

Perhaps Lukashenko was given the antidote in return for his cooperation.

DJ77 14th June 2023 15:29


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450682)
And Belarus threatens to use them independently.

Surely Putin had not to insist a lot to have Lukasheno declare he could use independently the russian tactical nukes now stored in Belarus. The idiot is so proud of having them.
Maybe Putin thinks Minsk, not Moscow, would take the blame (and the punishment) if one of these weapons, of which he is supposed to have control, banged somewhere.

NutLoose 14th June 2023 15:44


Originally Posted by DJ77 (Post 11450951)

Surely Putin had not to insist a lot to have Lukasheno declare he could use independently the russian tactical nukes now stored in Belarus. The idiot is so proud of having them.
Maybe Putin thinks Minsk, not Moscow, would take the blame (and the punishment) if one of these weapons, of which he is supposed to have control, banged somewhere.


The same thought crossed my mind too.

FUMR 14th June 2023 16:33

Come on guys, do you honestly think that Putin would give Lukasheno a free hand in firing nukes? Not withstanding other factors, whether they came from Belarus or Russia, the immediate response from the west would be the same!

Rescue3 14th June 2023 17:17


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450877)
Prigozhin gathered another meeting to discuss the current state of events

and he is probably right, BUT i love the term at 1:01 "get together" - hasn't Wagner already been "invited" to "get together" with the main RU force (takeover / merger, call it whatever), seems like he hasn't agreed with the terms & conditions yet. Perhaps he should have stayed in the catering field


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450860)
Lukashenko appears to be whistling figures out of thin air..

It gets even more fruity loops, he states no Country has ever gone to war against a nuclear power....... obviously he is oblivious to the little war going on next door.

he talks as if he has finally got the backing of the Belarus military and people, it's nice to see him looking so well - deluded fool.


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11450883)
Police officers from the Donetsk region have reportedly been rounded up and taken to Mariupol in preparation for deployment to the front line. Their wives are protesting that they have been taken under false pretences and that none of them have agreed to military service.

The ASTRA Telegram has published a video of a wife angrily protesting to 'Donetsk People's Republic' (DNR) officials. She says that her husband and employees of other municipal departments have been taken to a training ground in Mariupol for pre-deployment training.

According to the man's wife, the policemen were told, "This is the last time you are training today, the commander is coming, and you are being taken to the first line of demarcation in the 'Cascade' battalion."….

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...613358593.html

https://youtu.be/z4uivPpzCGo

Surely the training and deployment of the police will be instrumental in stopping the offensive -wave the warrant card, blow the whistle - will no doubt work wonders and they could lock them all up and be home with the wives in time for tea (and medals).

Video Mixdown 14th June 2023 18:54


Originally Posted by Rescue3 (Post 11451007)
he talks as if he has finally got the backing of the Belarus military and people, it's nice to see him looking so well - deluded fool.

Whilst it would be foolish to ignore this development, I’m not sure we should take it at face value. Are there really weapons in those lorries? If there are, are they live or dummies? Does Lukashenko even know, or is he a knowing/unknowing patsy? Could all just be theatre intended to scare the West into abandoning support for Ukraine. I think at this stage it’s Putin’s only hope.

ORAC 14th June 2023 18:58

Shells delivered to Russian troops in Luhansk....

I don't want to stand near the artillery using those…


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c1980c37b.jpeg
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Rescue3 14th June 2023 19:03


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11451051)
Whilst it would be foolish to ignore this development, I’m not sure we should take it at face value. Are there really weapons in those lorries? If there are, are they live or dummies? Does Lukashenko even know, or is he a knowing/unknowing patsy? Could all just be theatre intended to scare the West into abandoning support for Ukraine. I think at this stage it’s Putin’s only hope.

You could be right, my thoughts are if they have been deployed then just how much control has been handed to the big buffon - i think none and control will remain from Moscow. As you say he's a patsy.

ORAC 14th June 2023 21:26

Reuters journalists visited the liberated village of Storozheve. They write that the road to it is "strewn with corpses of Russian soldiers and burnt armored vehicles….

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