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ORAC 13th June 2023 13:58

Ukrainians reports that a military base of Kadyrov Chechens was hit last night, at Lazurna Recreation Center in Primorsk. According to the Ukrainian side, one of Kadyrov’s closest men was there. A total of ~200 soldiers were stationed there.


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pasta 13th June 2023 14:03


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11450310)
It is a sober analysis. While my reservations on causation related to Versailles still exists, th Marshall plan for Ukraine to restore it promptly to being a productive country will increase stability there. Russia needs to stop enjoying eating dirt and consider entering the wider world without their Urals size chip on their shoulder. It is time they have a constitution that respects the rights of their neighbours to self determination and existence. It is rich to moan about not having many friends when the history is of destroying their neighbours.

Yep. If they're planning to rebuild their military capability while Ukraine struggles along in survival mode, they might just have things the wrong way round...

DODGYOLDFART 13th June 2023 14:32

NutLoose Whilst on the subject of new kit. Have you any idea yet of how well STARSTREAK is performing?

ORAC 13th June 2023 14:36

​​​​​​​"Germany will increase the supply of Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine" - German Defense Minister Pistorius

"We will not be able to replace every tank that has failed (...), but from July we will increase the supply of Leopard 1 A5," he says

NutLoose 13th June 2023 14:45


Originally Posted by DODGYOLDFART (Post 11450370)
NutLoose Whilst on the subject of new kit. Have you any idea yet of how well STARSTREAK is performing?


Not really, but the Helicopter hit the other day appears to have been struck by one. They did have a couple of the Stormers damaged.


ORAC 13th June 2023 15:02

Russia submitted a bill to parliament pardoning all small and medium crimes of participants of the so-called "SMO".

Both professionals and mobiks will be exempted from criminal prosecution even if the crimes were committed before the law came into force. Those who receive state awards or retired from service will also be exempt.

The Russian army is becoming criminal not only de-facto but also de-jure.


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NutLoose 13th June 2023 15:07

Putin appears to be hedging his bets on Ukraine not being able to produce its own tanks etc as he destroys their infrastructure, so will eventually run out of arms and have to rely on the West. That is a fine asumption, but the only flaw is the West are supplying and are ramping up production in several cases while parts for his own scrap metal in storage relies on Western items that will get more and more difficult to source. But it may not even get to his point of eutopia as his army may not survive long enough to see some of his wonder weapons Waffle.


Beamr 13th June 2023 15:27

The difference in between the western and Russian kit.
How the crew managed to trigger three AT-mines is beyond me, but glad they survived, and with an experience and now more experienced.



NutLoose 13th June 2023 15:28

They have recovered at least one Leo 2


NutLoose 13th June 2023 15:37

Ukraine is assessing Australia's F18's to see if they are in good enough shape!



NutLoose 13th June 2023 15:41

Sweet..


bugged on the right 13th June 2023 15:45

I shouldn't think there would be any doubt about the condition of Australia's F18s. They would have been well looked after.

peter we 13th June 2023 17:27


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450377)
Not really, but the Helicopter hit the other day appears to have been struck by one. They did have a couple of the Stormers damaged.



https://twitter.com/_Surovikin_/stat...07720020144145

Ka-52 has the highest ratios of shoot down to number in service. Its been a disaster, and the Krembots are singing its praises.

And 18 manpads, at most $1.8m to shoot down a $35m helicopter. That's good economics especially as 50% of the crew don't survive even with ejection seats. On average it take 10 manpads to take out a helicopter, according to Polish sources.

peter we 13th June 2023 17:34


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11450391)
The difference in between the western and Russian kit.
How the crew managed to trigger three AT-mines is beyond me, but glad they survived, and with an experience and now more experienced.

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/...00506141356032

Nobody tell Putin, but the German's are building tanks in Ukraine as a joint venture

NutLoose 13th June 2023 18:07


Originally Posted by bugged on the right (Post 11450404)
I shouldn't think there would be any doubt about the condition of Australia's F18s. They would have been well looked after.

,The trouble is they retired 2021 so may need looking at to get them back to airworthy, seals etc perish.

NutLoose 13th June 2023 18:13


Originally Posted by peter we (Post 11450448)
Ka-52 has the highest ratios of shoot down to number in service. Its been a disaster, and the Krembots are singing its praises.

And 18 manpads, at most $1.8m to shoot down a $35m helicopter. That's good economics especially as 50% of the crew don't survive even with ejection seats. On average it take 10 manpads to take out a helicopter, according to Polish sources.


it depends what was fired at it, I thought it had sensors and countermeasures for various missile systems, however the starstreak is guided so tends to be invulnerable to those. The other 18 could have been a whole gamut of missiles but the starstreak knocked it down.

Spunky Monkey 13th June 2023 18:17


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450466)
,The trouble is they retired 2021 so may need looking at to get them back to airworthy, seals etc perish.

Let us know what we can do to help.
I can make brews and sammiches, but it all helps.
Lets hope they can get them out there fast.

rattman 13th June 2023 20:45


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11450466)
,The trouble is they retired 2021 so may need looking at to get them back to airworthy, seals etc perish.

as part of the RAVN / Air USA contract, it was stated in the contract the aircraft had to be maintained allow return to flight. So of course they are going to need work but that's the same with any aircraft.

On a general discussion I know someone who worked on these, about 18 were flown in on Dec 20201 and parked. From his time working on them he thinks about 20 could be made combat capable, about a dozen suitable for training and the rest are clapped and suitable for only spares.

ORAC 13th June 2023 22:15

Russian politician Alexander Kolodich stabbed and killed in his mansion in Moscow - reportedly by his “yard worker”….

Kolodich was chairman of the Commettee on Budget, Finance and Tax Policy of the Duma of the Khanti-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, instituted in connection with the sanctions policy of the West.

Plenty of opportunity for sticky fingers - and to get on the wrong side of someone….

NutLoose 13th June 2023 22:16

Russia transfers helicopters to Berdiansk

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