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anxiao 14th Sep 2022 05:24

ratt, that may be a spoof (or perhaps the first I saw was the spoof) on FB and here of a guy with face burns being interviewed saying his tank's gun did not work, and the other tanks in his platoon had guns but were immobile. The length and sentence structure look about the same.

I have just tried to find it but am unable.

Revnetwork 14th Sep 2022 06:07


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11296488)
Theres an interview going around if a russian with flashburn to hands and face. Dunno if the translation is true or a troll by NAFO

-Where were you going?
-...Near Izyum.
-Advancing or retreating?
-No clue.
-Why are you in Ukraine?
-I am a dumb****.
-Rank?
-Seaman First Class
-F L O A T I N G T A N K S???
-I was reasigned to a tank, given a week of training.
-Fleet?
-Baltic Fleet.
-You are lucky to be alive.


Its the correct translation. He really is a seaman assigned to a tank after a weeks training.

rattman 14th Sep 2022 06:30


Originally Posted by anxiao (Post 11296497)
ratt, that may be a spoof (or perhaps the first I saw was the spoof) on FB and here of a guy with face burns being interviewed saying his tank's gun did not work, and the other tanks in his platoon had guns but were immobile. The length and sentence structure look about the same.

I have just tried to find it but am unable.

Yep I dont know russian, hence my comment about it could be NAFO (North Atlantic Fella Organisation/ the ukrainian meme army)

ORAC 14th Sep 2022 06:39

Two interesting/shocking things.

First, Russia has got to the stage of stripping out/press-ganging men from their Strategic Rocket Forces as cannon fodder for Ukraine. The effect on readiness states, maintenance, security and morale can be imagined.

Secondly, reading his debrief the number of desertions and wholesale flight shows how hollowed out the Russian army has become with their KIA/WIA/MIA.

UKR is now using manoeuvre warfare in the east. Once they broke through the once strong RU front lines they have been able to rapidly rampage through their rear where rU no longer has the men to hold the towns or ability to locate them or the reserve troops to oppose them.

The ability of the UKR army to advance in an6 direction is now only limited to their own logistic tail, but they now hold the main railway lines and junctions and associated RU ammo and fuel dumps.

Meanwhile, in Kherson, they are fighting a war of force. They have the RU forces pinned down and unable to retreat and running out of food, water and ammunition and are able to pummel them with artillery from outside their range. Their are reports of major RU units with only 3-4 working vehicles left - it seems almost as if the UKR troops are running out of targets.


rattman 14th Sep 2022 07:00

India is upset that the US is authorising the sale 450 million USD worth of parts and support for F-16's to pakistan in return for pakistan supplying ammunition to ukraine from both their own stores and 3rd part from iran

ORAC 14th Sep 2022 07:00

Ukraine’s military strikes Kakhovka bridge in Kherson again, halting Russian forces' repairs.

Ukraine's Southern Operational Command reported on Sept. 12 that they also struck nine Russian positions and three groupings of personnel and equipment.Ukraine’s military strikes Kakhovka bridge in Kherson again, halting Russian forces' repairs.

The command also said it destroyed one Russian Mil Mi-8 helicopter, one Su-24 aircraft, and one pontoon crossing in Darivka in Kherson Oblast.

[email protected] 14th Sep 2022 08:38


India is upset that the US is authorising the sale 450 million USD worth of parts and support for F-16's to pakistan in return for pakistan supplying ammunition to ukraine from both their own stores and 3rd part from iran
India really needs to decide whose side they want to be on when the shooting is all over.

BANANASBANANAS 14th Sep 2022 08:43


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11296587)
India really needs to decide whose side they want to be on when the shooting is all over.

Yep, that cheap oil from Russia probably doesn't feel like quite such a good deal right now to India.

Mogwi 14th Sep 2022 08:52


Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying (Post 11296414)
Reports indicate that RF troops in some locations are short on food and water as well as ammo.

Argentinian troops in the later stages of the Falklands suffered similar privations, but had nowhere to go. RF troops have a much shorter walk home.

Undersupplied troops won't be in a position to put up much of a fight come winter.
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Actually the Argentine troops had huge stocks of food and ammo in Stanley and the grunts in the hills (only 5 miles away) may have been cold but were well stocked with ammo and had mobile field-kitchens on site. On the other hand, our guys were down to their last magazines by the time the surrender was negotiated.

I suspect that morale distribution is fairly similar in this conflict!

Mog

Flying Binghi 14th Sep 2022 09:24


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11296528)
India is upset that the US is authorising the sale 450 million USD worth of parts and support for F-16's to pakistan in return for pakistan supplying ammunition to ukraine from both their own stores and 3rd part from iran

Didn’t President Trump put a stop to military supplies to Pakistan ?

Perhaps Hunter Biden has recently returned from Pakistan with a fat brief case…:hmm:

Beamr 14th Sep 2022 09:46

Kremlin is admitting a defeat in Kharkiv and pouring the blame on Russian military command instead of Putin. Didn't he just a few weeks ago claim the command to himself?
We'll be seeing some rapid changes in the high command, me thinks.


Originally Posted by ISW,Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 13
The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail. The Kremlin never admitted that Russia was defeated around Kyiv or, later, at Snake Island, framing the retreat from Kyiv as a decision to prioritize the “liberation” of Donbas and the withdrawal from Snake Island as a “gesture of goodwill.” The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) originally offered a similar explanation for the Russian failure in Kharkiv, claiming that Russian forces were withdrawing troops from Kharkiv Oblast to regroup, but this false narrative faced quick and loud criticism online. The Kremlin’s acknowledgment of the defeat is part of an effort to mitigate and deflect criticism for such a devastating failure away from Russian President Vladimir Putin and onto the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and the uniformed military command.

Kremlin sources are now working to clear Putin of any responsibility for the defeat, instead blaming the loss of almost all of occupied Kharkiv Oblast on underinformed military advisors within Putin’s circle.
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-september-13


Beamr 14th Sep 2022 10:03

Here's an example of the capabilities of the modern day Russian army. In this tweet we are told to be seeing couple of companies’ worth of T-80 tanks of the 4th Guards Tank Division.
The 4th Guards is part of the 1st Guards Tank Army, located close to Moscow and generally considered the elite of the regular Russian army. Their task in case of war against NATO is to be the rapid deployment force and the spear head taking out NATO forces.
They were already defeated in Kyiv in March with 400 troops claimed KIA/MIA/WIA. Now they've been defeated in Kharkiv. So the elite Russian army with the best kit available and most thorough training has been defeated by the Ukrainians TWICE in 7 months being in essence unfit for combat, probably for years.

This is the actual state of the Russian army.



NutLoose 14th Sep 2022 10:12

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....365784e46f.png

NutLoose 14th Sep 2022 10:23

Lol


NutLoose 14th Sep 2022 11:48

You have to wonder if this is winging its way to the USA by now.


Read this, they woke up in the morning and everyone had gone, three others turn up that were out on guard and were not relieved, they went back to their camp to find out why and everyone had gone.


..

NutLoose 14th Sep 2022 14:43

According to the Russian media its all the ex western troops, " Mercs" doing the fighting, USA, UK and Poland.. This all according to the DNR leader Pushilin who if memory serves me correctly Pushed Off and quit.




:(

Lonewolf_50 14th Sep 2022 14:59

Nutty: they would say that, wouldn't they? :p

Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11296528)
India is upset that the US is authorising the sale 450 million USD worth of parts and support for F-16's to pakistan in return for pakistan supplying ammunition to ukraine from both their own stores and 3rd part from iran


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11296587)
India really needs to decide whose side they want to be on when the shooting is all over.

Crab, I don't think that they do. India is "on its own side" and has been since the time of Nehru (see India's long standing position in the "non-aligned bloc").
Their long running dispute with Pakistan is not related to the Ukraine - Russia war.
While they they have accumulated a lot of Russian kit (including Mig 29s and Su-30s) over the years, that hardly aligns them with the Russians. (They have also got Rafales, for example).
Sure, they bought some gas cheaply recently, and why wouldn't they? It's not their fault that the Russians and Ukrainians are having a war.

It would not matter why the Americans made a deal any kind with Pakistan for F-16 parts and support - India would still show disapproval.

GlobalNav 14th Sep 2022 15:32


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11296759)
Nutty: they would say that, wouldn't they? :p

Crab, I don't think that they do. India is "on its own side" and has been since the time of Nehru (see India's long standing position in the "non-aligned bloc").
Their long running dispute with Pakistan is not related to the Ukraine - Russia war.
While they they have accumulated a lot of Russian kit (including Mig 29s and Su-30s) over the years, that hardly aligns them with the Russians. (They have also got Rafales, for example).
Sure, they bought some gas cheaply recently, and why wouldn't they? It's not their fault that the Russians and Ukrainians are having a war.

It would not matter why the Americans made a deal any kind with Pakistan for F-16 parts and support - India would still show disapproval.

Well, it’s fair that India decides for itself what is in their best interest. Considering past experience, from which they apparently learned little, favoring Russian aviation equipment is a poor investment. What’s in the best interest of Indian leadership in the short term does not help the country in the long term. May they be accountable.

Beamr 14th Sep 2022 15:43

Actual proof that the Russians have scraped the barrel, a T62 tank. But see what it says on the barrel? FURY. Russian tank crew has obviously been to the movies, in hopes to be Brad Pitt. Maybe they thought theirs is as old as a Sherman, who knows.



Beamr 14th Sep 2022 16:40

Aviation content alert.
Ukrainian spare part Frogfoot.



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