Originally Posted by Petit-Lion
(Post 11230249)
Seven-feet long missile, wider than the barrel, and not lined up.
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Gun Turrets
Ref Post #5516, "....One thing for sure....the automated gun turret on the tanks has been a gross failure judging by the Turret tossing they are being seen so good at doing when hit by an Anti-Tank weapon that penetrates the Turret...." I too was amazed in the early days of the war when news videos showed the Ukrainian countryside in the Kyiv region to be strewn with inverted tank turrets. Now that the fighting has moved to the eastern theatre we're seeing the same thing. It reminds me of Admiral Beatty's famous remark at the Battle of Jutland in WW1, "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today." If Russian tank turrets can detach so esily it begs the queation, "If the tank crew all farted together would if blow the turret off or simply dislodge it?" And, if either is correct, and given that the Russian soldiers are short of food, then let's airdrop them cans, many cans, of baked beans.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11230302)
Russian Annexation Report Highlight:
The Kremlin could threaten to use nuclear weapons against a Ukrainian counteroffensive into annexed territory to deter the ongoing Western military aid that would enable such a counteroffensive. https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...0;-ramp” The annexation of Crimea was unlawful and remains illegal still. In the 50's Crimea was ceeded by USSR to Ukiaine as a province of the Ukraine. In 1994 Russia signed the Budapest treaty and that should have been the end of the matter, as should the earlier 2 treaties in 1991 which Russia was a party to. In 2014, Russia breaches it's treaty rights and then conducts a referendum that is not done undere Ukraine law, and which included padding of the vote by the simple expedient of bringing in Russians and allowing Russians to vote in the elections. Russia has continued to show a disregard for election process all over the world since with direct and indirect meddling. Russia's annexation of Crimea has as much validity as if they annex Paris. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11230302)
Russian Annexation Report Highlight:
The Kremlin could threaten to use nuclear weapons against a Ukrainian counteroffensive into annexed territory to deter the ongoing Western military aid that would enable such a counteroffensive. https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ptable-“-ramp” |
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...053324802.html
“7/ Russia, theoretically, might construct some last gasp offensive out of Crimea or elsewhere in the south. But this would be akin to the WW2 German Ardennes Offensive – tactically dangerous for a short time but ultimately operationally and strategically futile.”.. |
musings
Ukraine has certainly caused issues to Red forces around Karkhiv, up to the border. To the east of that position, they have a risk if Red can make any advances around the NE area of ops, as they could start to surround the Ukrainians in that area. I doubt that Red forces have the means, logistics or morale to be able to do that, but it is a risk that exists. At the same time, Ukraine moving east across the MSR of the Reds will remove the likelihood of encirclement of their own troops in the NE.
Crossing the national boundary of Russia by the Ukrainians is an invitation for escalation, it gives Putin the existential threat that he has been talking about, even if it is in response to his own aggression. Attacking rail & logistic supply lines across the border is one thing, putting boots into Russia has high risks. Crimea is legally Ukrainian territory. Removing the Kerch bridge still seems to be a worthwhile target, and it has the potential to lock the Black sea fleet into an area that it is limited in its utility. The theft of crops by Russia is getting some response, it needs greater international outrage and response, including protection of grain shipments that are legitimate from Odessa to other countries that are affected by the loss of supply of ~35% of global grain supplies. The impact on the 3rd world in particular needs to be highlighted to get more reaction from the UN which has been moribund in it's actions for the last 2 months. The Kilo's remain a threat of causing regional vindictive damage. It is a hallmark of Russian military doctrine that they do not care about civilians, they never have, and for that alone, they have no legitimate place in the UN, which is to the continued shame of the UNGA. Pity Ukraine doesn't have a squadron of S-3's. In the absence of dedicated ASW assets, it would appear that the benefit of drone ISR with high res side-looking SAR would seem to be worthwhile, coupled with drone platforms with standoff missile cape, with warheads that may be effective against a snorting target, that is an open question. |
fdr
WOW - your posts are AMAZING ! Would YOU do ANYTHING differently to speed up the end to this horrible war? is a disastrous stalemate still on the cards? |
I agree that what Russia has done might be enough to throw it out of the UN Security Council. But then wouldn't India be next in line to become permanent member, the arch rival of China and finally the global No.1 by population? For China a weakened Russia in the SC is way more comfortable to deal with. So likely no SC change from my view.
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FDR,
Ukraine has already threatened to shell Belgorod due to some of the rocket attacks on Kharkiv are coming from there, see https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/1401...n-wih-Shelling Re the stolen grain, see my post in jetblast, they have already tried to sell some to Egypt but following a Ukrainian request they turned it away, the ship is now off Syria and they worry the grain may be filtered through Syria to other countries. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11230487)
FDR,
Ukraine has already threatened to shell Belgorod due to some of the rocket attacks on Kharkiv are coming from there, see https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/1401...n-wih-Shelling Re the stolen grain, see my post in jetblast, they have already tried to sell some to Egypt but following a Ukrainian request they turned it away, the ship is now off Syria and they worry the grain may be filtered through Syria to other countries. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11230487)
FDR,
Ukraine has already threatened to shell Belgorod due to some of the rocket attacks on Kharkiv are coming from there, see https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/1401...n-wih-Shelling Re the stolen grain, see my post in jetblast, they have already tried to sell some to Egypt but following a Ukrainian request they turned it away, the ship is now off Syria and they worry the grain may be filtered through Syria to other countries. Russia is a failed state in every respect that one may care to consider. They have subjugated their own population by violence and murder, to the point that an already cowering population, used to being beaten by their masters since 947AD consider it a good day if they are not being personally sent to the Gulag, wishing only for the return to the good ol' days of sending your neighbor to the Gulag on innuendo and obsequience. Russia's claim to honor is from the Great Patriotic War, an event that was much worse due to the purge of the military command by Stalin that pre-dated Barbarossa, and which followed as hardly an improbable response from the Molotov - Von Ribbentrop agreement (Aug 23, 1939) setting up to carve up a sovereign neighbor. Lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Western teaching on the USSR has usually contended that more Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians died at the hands of Stalin's regime during the Great Patriotic War than died from the German invasion. Snyder (2011) suggests that is slightly incorrect. The Russians did deliberately kill 3.3 million Ukrainians in 1932 - 33. At least a further 1.7 million USSR citizens died from famine from 1930 - 33. The most recent review of USSR civilian casualties related to Barbarossa is approximately 11 million. USSR contended that 1.65 million Ukrainians died in military service, Ukraine's own estimate is 7 million. The Russians that wistfully remember the good ol' days seem to forget how much brutality and death came with those leaders. The decision by Putin to have a tiff with his neighbors, breaking every treaty and agreement that had been made and putting Russian honor down the waste pipe is going to have flow-on effects to the 3rd world, and we could see more people die as a direct result of his paranoid actions than Stalin achieved along with his pact mate, the vegetarian painter corporal. Around 1.5 billion people are looking at insufficient food supplies in Q4 of 2022 directly from Putin and his actions. What that results in is going to be pretty darn interesting; usually, nothing good comes of it. |
Even the leader of the original Donbas breakaway in 2014 has nothing good to say about the leadership nor Russian involvement in the donbass
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Dippers
Does any friendly force out there have spare dipping capable ASW helos at present, I wonder? That is something that would make a difference to the Black sea situation. Not to make light of the task, but getting a few drivers up to speed, and finding basic active sonar capable operators would not be the most arduous task. Needs CAP, but Ukraine seems to have such ability still. That would be a good days work.
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Remember the Russian battalion loss at the river crossing…. This makes you wonder at the Russians gullibility.
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Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 11230440)
Pity Ukraine doesn't have a squadron of S-3's. In the absence of dedicated ASW assets, it would appear that the benefit of drone ISR with high res side-looking SAR would seem to be worthwhile, coupled with drone platforms with standoff missile cape, with warheads that may be effective against a snorting target, that is an open question.
Bottom Line: don't hold your breath on S-3's coming back any time soon. Dipping Sonar: not a great search tool, but a fine localization/attack tool. |
The Russians may not have air superiority over Ukraine, but I’m certain they’d manage to engage anyone conducting hostile ASW against their Kilos in the Black Sea.
They may carry some Kalibr, but they are rapidly exhausting their stocks - better to pressure the USA to provide Patriot though its only a bridge level asset) and/or Israel Iron Dome. p.s, both Estonia and Israel have denied claims that the latter gave the former permission to pass over their Blue Spear SSMs to UKR. |
Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 11230459)
I agree that what Russia has done might be enough to throw it out of the UN Security Council.
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Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker
(Post 11230616)
Isn't it impossible to remove Russia from the UN Security Council due to them being a permanent member and thus having the power to veto any such decision?
The argument is that the UNSC is setup to endure, maintain the status quo and not trouble the permanent members or not really do anything of note. So many believe that the UN should go back to doing nothing and protecting the status quo but be more aggressive in doing nothing. The permeant seat should go back to all former USSR countries and they can all elect who they want in that former USSR seat for a given period. Those former USSR states listed could even vote for Russia... or not. |
Originally Posted by Petit-Lion
(Post 11230249)
Seven-feet long missile, wider than the barrel, and not lined up.
Also, the perfectly blue, postcard sky is hard to believe, etc. Fake. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 11230286)
He has many detractors, from Mad Dog Mattis on down to me,
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