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dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 13:01

So, according to Vlad's spokesmen, Russia's move to Defcon 2 was in response to comments made by Liz Truss during her interview on Sky yesterday. I kid you not. The Sky correspondent in Moscow did well to hide his smile when he relayed this information.

Ewan Whosearmy 28th Feb 2022 13:12


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11192195)
So, according to Vlad's spokesmen, Russia's move to Defcon 2 was in response to comments made by Liz Truss during her interview on Sky yesterday. I kid you not. The Sky correspondent in Moscow did well to hide his smile when he relayed this information.

His actions are always "in response" to something - this whole thing is happening because of the actions of others. Blaming Truss is therefore classic Putin playbook.

Less Hair 28th Feb 2022 13:14

And he seems to always escalate threats several steps at a time to make it harder for opponents to react.

dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 13:28


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11192199)
And he seems to always escalate threats several steps at a time to make it harder for opponents to react.

Not so sure. The Americans to their credit just ignored this: "Meh, whatever. We think you're bluffing".

Less Hair 28th Feb 2022 13:34

No they didn't.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...er-2022-02-27/

henra 28th Feb 2022 13:41


Originally Posted by Fonsini (Post 11192167)
They fired an MLRS into the middle of Kharkiv, pictures of Ukrainian women with their legs blown off (not in this link) and corpses scattered everywhere. I’m not certain where the line is for a war crime, but I am certain that Putin has crossed it.
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll

If that was on purpose it would be surely something which would have to be checked if it falls officially under war crime.
It is in so far remarkable that so far in this war the general population hasn't been directly attacked on a wider basis. It is even more remarkable that the first really massive publicly visible such case happens in Kharkiv which is part of that part of Ukraine with a Russian speaking majority.
As bad an as cruel as it looks I'm not yet quite sure it was really on purpose.

dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 13:46


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11192212)

My point was they didn't change their stance.

GeeRam 28th Feb 2022 14:00


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11192182)
Valery Gerasimov, the Chief of the General Staff, was just replaced by Putin, wonder why....

I thought this has been debunked as not being true?

GeeRam 28th Feb 2022 14:02

Bloody hell....... :sad:


:mad:

langleybaston 28th Feb 2022 14:05


Originally Posted by admikar (Post 11192068)
also agree with you re. Russian actions. But you should also (you as in general, not you as a person) should accept that West did quite some damage to Serbia with Kosovo and others(btw, I am not Serbian, but I am connected to it) not so long ago, using that same toolkit you mention and not just brush it aside as trolling.
General opinion here is when West does it it's not a big deal, when Russians/Chinese/Iran does that same whole world shuld jump on their throats.
As much as you would like to believe so, there is not that much difference between two sides.

MORAL HIGH GROUND MATTERS.

MPN11 28th Feb 2022 14:13


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11192223)
I thought this has been debunked as not being true?

Only noticed it mentioned here, no external links to a credible source.

However, if the RU Nuclear Football requires a 2-1 majority vote, removing someone with free will leaves … Vlad and his compliant mate. So a change of Gerasimov as CDS might facilitate stupidity on Vlad’s part.

Flyhighfirst 28th Feb 2022 14:22


Originally Posted by NAROBS (Post 11192230)
Using cluster bombs on a residential area in maripol.

They need air support, get weaving !

That was not a cluster bomb. Looks more like a rocket than a missile as well.

Just reread. I’m assuming you are referring to the above post with the aircraft and house? If you were speaking of something else then I apologise for misconstruing your post.

Beamr 28th Feb 2022 14:23

Here's what the Kremlin official media RG is telling to the Dimitris and Tatjanas. Basically "He started it!"

28.02.2022 15:57
Category: Power
Ministry of Defense: Only officers and contract servicemen participate in the special operation

Only officers and contract servicemen take part in a special military operation of the Russian Armed Forces. This was stated by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

"Russia did not start hostilities. Russia is completing them," the general said.

According to him, the hostilities of the Kiev regime, as well as the systematic destruction of the inhabitants of Donbass, went on for eight years, more than 14 thousand people died during this war, including hundreds of children.

Konashenkov stressed that it is necessary to put an end to the endless threats from the Kiev regime against Russia. And Russia will do it.

https://rg.ru/2022/02/28/minoborony-...traktniki.html

TUPE 28th Feb 2022 14:32


Originally Posted by NAROBS (Post 11192237)
Do me a favour, multiple near simultaneous detonations, geospaced at regular short intervals in a confined area, . . Its either MLRS or cluster . .or an exceptionally accurate mortar barrage - similar to naval hedgehog or lightweight neubelwerfer (Ha !). These explosions weren't big enough to be MLRS, QED cluster munition.

So, Russians are using a banned weapon.


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11192233)
That was not a cluster bomb. Looks more like a rocket than a missile as well.

Just reread. I’m assuming you are referring to the above post with the aircraft and house? If you were speaking of something else then I apologise for misconstruing your post.

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You are both talking about different posts/videos.

Mogwi 28th Feb 2022 14:38

Unfortunately the Russians did not sign up to the ban on custard bombs.

Chesty Morgan 28th Feb 2022 14:44

The video with the Mig 29 rocket attack filmed from an apartment was from a few years ago.


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