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Flyhighfirst 27th Feb 2022 09:59

Is it just me or is anyone else a little uneasy with all the news coverage of civilians making Molotov cocktails? This becomes pretty close to making the civilian population legitimate targets. If they are publicly seen to be aiding the Ukrainian armed forces they cease to be civilians and can be seen as irregular forces and fair game.

Granted this will always happen and should happen, I just don’t think it should be given press coverage.

ROC man 27th Feb 2022 10:14

Tigr-m looks to be Russian equivalent to the Snatch Land Rover.

trim it out 27th Feb 2022 10:15


Originally Posted by ROC man (Post 11191418)
Tigr-m looks to be Russian equivalent to the Snatch Land Rover.

More like Panther than Snatch.

ORAC 27th Feb 2022 11:12

Ukraine reportingthat the Russian assault into Kharkiv has been fully repulsed.

Presumably the Russian column met its fate.

WB627 27th Feb 2022 11:32


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11191414)
Is it just me or is anyone else a little uneasy with all the news coverage of civilians making Molotov cocktails? This becomes pretty close to making the civilian population legitimate targets. If they are publicly seen to be aiding the Ukrainian armed forces they cease to be civilians and can be seen as irregular forces and fair game.

Granted this will always happen and should happen, I just don’t think it should be given press coverage.

As far as Putin is concerned they are already "legitimate targets". The Ukrainians are standing solidly together against the Russian invaders. What would you and your family do in similar circumstances, what would they have done if the Germans had invaded the UK in 1940? I know what I and my family would would do and did in WW2.


ORAC 27th Feb 2022 11:50

TOS-1 being deployed towards Kyiv.



Beamr 27th Feb 2022 11:58

I wrote it earlier and write it again: I hope the NLAW's make it there and take those thermobaric weapons on convoy. Or that there would be some Bayraktar still flying that would take that out. Or a real Ghost of Kiev looking for the best bang for buck.
Those will multiply the civilian casualties from todays numbers once used in a city.

nosefirsteverytime 27th Feb 2022 12:09


Originally Posted by Arthur1815 (Post 11190950)
Putinish warble warble

Do us all a favour & check the afterburner function up close from behind the engine on the ramp, yeah?

jolihokistix 27th Feb 2022 12:10

The carpet bombing type flashes in the distance we saw occasionally as Russia pummelled Ukrainian infrastructure and airfields on that first night rather resembled what this TOS-1 does in the clip above. I wonder if it has already been used there? Or did masses of cruise missiles all land together?

Tartiflette Fan 27th Feb 2022 12:14


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11191478)
I wrote it earlier and write it again: I hope the NLAW's make it there and take those thermobaric weapons on convoy. Or that there would be some Bayraktar still flying that would take that out. Or a real Ghost of Kiev looking for the best bang for buck.
Those will multiply the civilian casualties from todays numbers once used in a city.

I fear that is true , but feel that the pictures that would generate, would have a massive impact on a Russian population that is already showing dismay and clearly don't view the Ukranians as enemies. Hopefully for that reason - if no other - they won't be used.

Tartiflette Fan 27th Feb 2022 12:17


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11191485)
The carpet bombing type flashes in the distance we saw occasionally as Russia pummelled Ukrainian infrastructure and airfields on that first night rather resembled what this TOS-1 does in the clip above. I wonder if it has already been used there? Or did masses of cruise missiles all land together?

The range is only 6 000 m max, so impossible to get that close across defended territory for first strike in this case.

fab777 27th Feb 2022 12:23

https://t.me/Ukraine_Russia_Worldwar/287

If this in Bucha, it means Russia lost ground north of kyiv.

NutLoose 27th Feb 2022 12:30

These Russian forces may have the Mark of Zoro on their Vehicles but the Ukrainians appear to have the Mark of Caine.

ORAC 27th Feb 2022 12:42

Putin putting Russian nuclear forces on alert…

Putin: "Western countries aren't only taking unfriendly economic actions against our country, but leaders of major Nato countries are making aggressive statements about our country. So I order to move Russia's deterrence forces to a special regime of duty."


ORAC 27th Feb 2022 12:44

Yes, it was a very explicit nuclear threat: “the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history” twitter.com/russianforces/… This all makes me nervous. Kremlin has no good off-ramps at this point and is looking at an existential threat to the current state


NutLoose 27th Feb 2022 12:47

Putin has put his nuclear weapons on high alert.

I do wonder if that will be a wake up call to the Russian higher echelon to get rid of Putin before they all die.

ORAC 27th Feb 2022 13:00

I am, for perhaps the first time in my life, truly frightened that a madman could start a nuclear war and kill us all.


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