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Old 10th Jun 2023, 15:00
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Russian defence workers say they are facing a chronic shortage of electronic components, leading to them reusing old components, 'cannibalising' them from other devices and increasingly using unreliable Chinese substitutes. ⬇️

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Rescuing cats and dogs….. well I say cats liberally, as that first one he carried out looks like a Wildcat or Lynx..


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Some things amaze me in life and as an Engineer I love to see clever inventions that appear simple, but operate on a whole new level.

This is pure genius and I can imagine it removes the fuse to disarm the mines then extracts them from the ground in case of it being booby trapped underneath.

I would imagine mine clearing operatives the world over are looking on at this in amazement.



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WTF, it sounds like Russia is trying to create a rift in Europe and NATO and the Hungarians are falling for it hook, line and sinker, it also i believe it breaches the Geneva Convention.

Deputy Prime Minister of Hungary, Zsolt Semjén, has confirmed the information about the transfer of 11 Ukrainian prisoners of war of Hungarian origin from Russia to Hungary, as previously announced by the Russian Orthodox Church.

According to the Hungarian outlet ATV, the Russian Orthodox Church issued a statement stating that on June 8, "as part of inter-church cooperation at the request of the Hungarian side, a group of Ukrainian prisoners of war of Transcarpathian origin who took part in combat actions was transferred to Hungary."

As the Russian Orthodox Church stated, the agreement on the transfer of prisoners of war involved Metropolitan Anthony Volokolamsky, chairman of the External Church Relations Department, and Archpriest Nikolay Balashov, advisor to the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

The outlet "RBC-Ukraine," citing sources, previously reported that the Russian Orthodox Church planned to transfer some of the Ukrainian captives to Hungary, and this decision was not coordinated with Ukraine. One of the intermediaries was supposed to be the charitable organisation Maltese Aid Service of the Sovereign Order of Malta.

According to ATV, the transfer of the prisoners was coordinated by Zsolt Semjén, the Hungarian Deputy Prime Minister for Church Affairs.

On Friday, Semjén refused to provide any details in a comment to the outlet, citing "the interests of the case and the people." However, he stated that it was a gesture by the Russian Orthodox Church towards Hungary and that these individuals "owe their freedom to it."

"This is my human and patriotic duty," Semjén said about coordinating the transportation of the 11 prisoners of war to Hungary.
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Ukrainian prisoners of war in Hungary are reportedly preparing to publicly criticize Ukraine and express gratitude to the Russian Orthodox Church, as part of a mandatory condition for their release from Russia.

Ukrainian prisoners of war who were transferred to Hungary by the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) instead of going to Ukraine are reportedly preparing for a press conference, where they are expected to criticize Ukraine and express gratitude to the ROC, the Ukrainian media RBK reports, citing its sources in Ukrainian intelligence.
According to the source, making such statements was a mandatory condition for their release from Russia. The prisoners are said to be under armed guard, with their location undisclosed to Ukraine and no contact allowed.
“At the press conference, the captives are supposed to talk about how they were allegedly forcibly mobilized, the supposed harsh conditions they fought in, the excellent Hungarian government, and the ROC, among other things. This public activity, including criticism of Ukraine and gratitude towards the ROC, was voiced to Ukrainian prisoners as a mandatory condition for their release from Russia,” RBC’s source in the intelligence revealed.
A representative of the Ukrainian Defense Intelligence Directorate confirmed that the prisoners’ whereabouts were being kept secret from Ukraine, and they were still unable to move freely or return to Ukraine.

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WTF, it sounds like Russia is trying to create a rift in Europe and NATO and the Hungarians are falling for it hook, line and sinker, it also i believe it breaches the Geneva Convention.
I can't imagine anyone paying much attention to Hungary, and I would find it difficult to believe any legal hook has been discovered to cause any problems.
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Multiple reports that Robotyne has fallen and that Ukrainian forces have breached the second line of defences to the south at several locations and are now fighting on the outskirts of Tokmak.

Video of partisans fighting inside Tokmak and reports of Ukrainian SF operating in the town.

If accurate this is a major breach and indicates the Russian forces are in disarray.
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This brings home the enormity of the breech,

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Russian defence workers say they are facing a chronic shortage of electronic components, leading to them reusing old components, 'cannibalising' them from other devices and increasingly using unreliable Chinese substitutes. ⬇️

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ORAC, i thought i read earlier that they had managed to successfully bypass sanctions and were now the largest buyer of black market components.
IIRC there was a comment saying that sanctions are not fully working - my thoughts are if any 3rd party country is seen to supply then they should be considered hostile and therefore named, "fully sanctioned", ie banking, import/export, travel etc etc as it says they have chosen what side they are on.
Lets not muck about here now, let the west go for the juggler on all the "friends" of as well....
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
WTF, it sounds like Russia is trying to create a rift in Europe and NATO and the Hungarians are falling for it hook, line and sinker, it also i believe it breaches the Geneva Convention.

https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/e.../06/9/7163368/

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Hungary ought to be dropped from NATO, the EU and any other sensible democratic body it has been allowed to join. It's clear what side they sympathise with and as such hungarians should be invited to leave the west and head back to their own country. Also widen sanctions on hungarian individuals....
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Video - After a few days of shrinking, it appears the mouth of the Northern Crimean Canal has officially dried up...
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Hungary ought to be dropped from NATO, the EU and any other sensible democratic body it has been allowed to join. It's clear what side they sympathise with and as such hungarians should be invited to leave the west and head back to their own country. Also widen sanctions on hungarian individuals....
I do worry that as a member of NATO what is being shared with them intel wise and if it is secure.
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ORAC, i thought i read earlier that they had managed to successfully bypass sanctions and were now the largest buyer of black market components.
Being a teensy bit cynical…

As I suggested, paying the middleman mark up the chips will be 10-100 more expensive once they reach Russia and the totally corrupt procurement chain.

May I suggest the good western chips will be going to the well heeled customers, such as banks, car and domestic goods manufacturers, with the military plants being charged the higher price but being provided the cheap Chinese knock-offs?
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Patriot (IRIS-T) the Russians claimed to have destroyed is, reportedly, still in operational use….

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Hungary ought to be dropped from NATO, the EU and any other sensible democratic body it has been allowed to join. It's clear what side they sympathise with and as such hungarians should be invited to leave the west and head back to their own country. Also widen sanctions on hungarian individuals....
Which version of the NATO charter do you have that provides for the expulsion of a NATO member state? I'm pretty familiar with the Charter, and I am not aware of any mechanism that permits for removal of a state other than by voluntary withdrawal.It seems a slight oversight but then it is a defensive organisation and it doesn't require unanimous agreement except for entry membership. I'm pretty sure that in the background NATO 2.0 is drafted and awaiting a time where one or two of the current members who continue to politicise defence matters would end up the only members of the old NATO.
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Which version of the NATO charter do you have that provides for the expulsion of a NATO member state? I'm pretty familiar with the Charter, and I am not aware of any mechanism that permits for removal of a state other than by voluntary withdrawal.It seems a slight oversight but then it is a defensive organisation and it doesn't require unanimous agreement except for entry membership. I'm pretty sure that in the background NATO 2.0 is drafted and awaiting a time where one or two of the current members who continue to politicise defence matters would end up the only members of the old NATO.
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Is there a doctrine that requires equal disclosure ? I would think it likely that there are many ways to limit spread of documents to every member.
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Is there a doctrine that requires equal disclosure ? I would think it likely that there are many ways to limit spread of documents to every member.
There is, and that is why it is quite odious to find FVEY documents noted on Counts 8 and 12 of the indictment document 3 of Case 9:23-cr-80101, USA v Trump & Nauta.

The limit of unauthorised disclosure requires both compliance with the laws related to confidentiality, and the enforcement of deliberate breaches. The US HoR's Speaker, and a substantial number of the GoP have attacked the actions of the Special Counsel and the investigation and the levelling of charges against 45, and his immediate co-conspirator, these politicians all having sworn oaths to uphold the laws of the USA, and yet they are challenging the enforcement of prima facie deliberate criminal actions breaching handling of classified documents, risking US and other countries interests and intel gathering efforts, and potentially placing at mortal risk HUMINT. How that does not result in their revocation of access to classified materials is lost on me, I know it would in my country, which is a FVEY partner.



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Orban is obviously eying for a chunk of Ukraine. Hoping RU will outlast Ukraine and Ukraine will be broken up eventually. The borders of Greater Hungary are not forgotten in present day Hungary.
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let the west go for the juggler..
Are you just tossing that idea into the air and seeing if anyone will catch it?
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https://fl360aero.com/detail/today-w...rt-canada/1375

Today we announced the seizure of the Russian Antonov cargo aircraft at Pearson Airport : Canada

Government of Canada orders seizure of Russian-registered cargo aircraft and announced the hand over of the confiscated Antonov An-124 aircraft (RA-82078) "Ruslan" cargo plane , that has been grounded at Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ/CYYZ) since February, to Ukraine.

Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mélanie Joly, today announced that the Government of Canada had ordered the seizure of a Russian-registered cargo aircraft currently grounded at Toronto Pearson Airport, pursuant to the
Special Economic Measures Act…

The targeted Russian aircraft, an Antonov 124, is believed to be owned by a subsidiary of Volga-Dnepr Airlines LLC and Volga-Dnepr Group, two entities against which Canada recently imposed sanctions due to their complicity in President Putin’s war of choice.

The seizure of the asset was made possible by the new asset seizure and forfeiture authorities under Canada’s autonomous sanctions regimes put forward in Budget 2022 and is in direct response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine that began on February 24, 2022….

The Government of Canada will seize the asset and manage it in accordance with federal legislation. Should the asset ultimately be forfeited to the Crown, Canada will work with the Government of Ukraine on options to redistribute this asset to compensate victims of human rights abuses, restore international peace and security, or rebuild Ukraine….
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