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Old 7th May 2023, 21:59
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Frontex suspends patrolling Black Sea over incident with Russian fighter jet.

The European Border and Coast Guard Agency, known as Frontex, temporarily suspended its patrol mission over the Black Sea following the incident with the Russian fighter jet on May 5.
Presumably until such time as all the "European" air 'forces' between them can manage to rumble up enough operational fighters to actually provide a Coast Guard and Border Patrol aircraft operating in free international airspace with an escort.
It doesn't send a very impressive message, does it?
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Old 7th May 2023, 22:16
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Igor Girkin is very pessimistic today. He says it is time to start thinking about preventing Russia from falling apart because military defeat is near.
Girkin is unduly optimistic in the state of affairs of Russia IMHO. The potential for the acceleration of the collapse of the federation from Vlads vulgar vacation has already been highlighted, recall the conference last year where the vassal states ignored Russia? Note China and Kazakh voting in the UN on Russia's aggression? Vlad threw away the outlying member states youth to feed his ego, that comes with a cost. Vlad has shown his military prowess is about on a par with Lord Farquard, and he is limited to criminal acts rather than military tactics.

With or without F-16's (preferably with) Ukraine remains committed to the removal of it's pest infestation, whereas Russian air superiority amounts to crashing into UAVs and breaking international law with the TurboLet unlawful interference. On a par with Lukashonky's unlawful actions against a civil airliner some time ago.

A breakup of Russia will be pretty messy, it is 100 years overdue to get Moscow to stop abusing the satellite states for the myth of border security. The wash-up poor 91 was untidy, this time round, the world has a good idea of what is exported from Russia in times of stress. Russians broke this program, they get to have a fair bit of the lifting of fixing this one too. Russia will not accept guidance in their internal affairs, something that is overlooked when considering the mess that arose post 91, they need to get a Russian solution to a Russian problem.
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Old 8th May 2023, 01:41
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Originally Posted by _Agrajag_
One thing we have little knowledge of is the extent to which many Russians are opposed to the actions of their government. Only clues we have are from the many tens of thousands that have fled Russia for places like Georgia, the handful of young Russian vloggers that try and give a more balanced view of Russian people and the increasing incidence of what look to be sabotage events. I don't believe Ukraine is behind the majority of these explosions and fires deep inside Russia. I think it's dissidents. We never get to hear about them though. The Russian government has a very effective media suppression organisation.

We look on some of its output as being crazy but a large proportion of older Russians believe every lie they are told. Maybe there will be another Russian revolution. Worries me if I'm honest. Much as Putin's downfall would be good for Ukraine it would plunge Russia back into the madness that followed the fall of the Soviet Union. That madness unleashed thousands of hardened criminals on the rest of the world. I fear another collapse would do the same but would be worse. All the very rich Russians that would be free from the control Putin exerts could cause mayhem around the globe.
Well, not to make light of the sacrifice, but unless the Russian people would be willing to stand up and stop what’s happening, it makes little difference what their opinion of it is. Standing by instead of standing up practically amounts to complicity. Again, I do not make light of the life and death stakes of standing up, but they would not be the first people of courage in history to do so.
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They’re at it again with the nuke warnings etc and now the attack on the Kremlin was to take out the Nuke weapon control. It amazes me that you go to war with a country and that country fights back on your territory, they then call it terrorism, they seem to think a war should be fought on one side. Only.

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U.K. provided AS-90’s at work.

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Ukraine says it destroyed all 35 Iranian-made Shahed drones launched by Russia in a wave of attacks across the country early Monday.

In its usual morning update the General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces said Russia had also launched 16 missile strikes on cities and regions including Kharkiv, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa as well as 61 airstrikes.
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#Gerasimov's apparent need to negotiate with subordinate commanders and those commanders’ ability to force his hand suggests that chain of command problems are significantly impacting the Russian military’s ability to conduct coherent theater-wide operations.…

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“It's not the Special Military Operation. It's a horrific war.” says Russian oligarch Andrey Kovalev.

Hmm... Looks like they are beginning to suspect something…..

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Transnistria has asked Russia to increase the number of “peacekeepers” on the territory, just how they would get them there would be interesting. They must see the writing on the wall too.

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If this is true, it sounds like Prigozhin is having the power he once held cut out from under him.

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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Transnistria has asked Russia to increase the number of “peacekeepers” on the territory, just how they would get them there would be interesting. They must see the writing on the wall too.



https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...C-uaCttvktAAAA
Transnistria has too much old ammunition stored to guard safely, one of the largest dumps in Europe.
Russia has too little ammunition.
Russia has been unable to link up through Odesa as promised.
I think I spot a problem.
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The Russian evacuations may be a ruse to move troops under a humanitarian shield

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Yet another Ukrainian invention a self propelled machine gun system.

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It looks like Ukraine lost another Stormer do you think it hit a mine first as the field track looks disrupted where it pulled off. At least the crew appear to have got clear.
I see of late we appear to be sending a small number of extra ones to Ukraine, possibly to replace those lost.




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More Ukrainian ingenuity, modifying / old T62.




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More Ukrainian “toys”

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Anyone, any idea???

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The tank crew must have just got their call up papers to go to Ukraine.



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At least that tank is more modern than the T54s allegedly being prepared for deployment in Ukraine!
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