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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 17th Mar 2023, 19:03
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A short summary of the war so far

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One of the m113 taking on a Russian trench system.

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Slovakia sends MIG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine - PM

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March 17 (Reuters) - Slovakia on Friday became the second of Ukraine's allies to provide MIG-29 fighter jets which Kyiv believes are crucial to repel Russia's year-long invasion.

Slovakia joined Poland, which announced its delivery of the planes on Thursday. Both the NATO members neighbour Ukraine.

Its fleet of 11 MiG-29 planes was retired last summer and most of them are not in operational condition. It will send those that are operational and the rest will go for spare parts.
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Why are cluster munitions banned but cluster anti armour munitions are not?
With normal older cluster weapons, the problem with them is they are designed either to cover an area and detonate, or as some, lay down an area of anti personnel mines denying that area, these mines will sit on the ground for years and even in peace will still kill civilians.
Even those designed to detonate straight away there will be failures, when I was in the RAF we wanted to take a stock of Clusters from Belize to expend on the ranges at Red Flag but the Americans refused the request as each bomblet had to be accounted for to ensure no live bomblets remained.

The RAAM munitions mentioned tend to be mainly anti armour which reduces chances of civilian casualties, but one of their main advantages over the others is that after a period of time they self destruct rendering the area safe for civilians, therefore they can be fired into areas of known armour routes or as they have been, behind Russian attacks to catch out the retreating armour not expecting the area they have just driven over heading out to be mined.

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What is to stop you driving over your own RAAMS in the next push forward?
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 23:14
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
What is to stop you driving over your own RAAMS in the next push forward?
There is a self-destruct timer built-in to each of the mines. The time varies depending on the model, but you would know roughly where they were deployed and how long you had to wait.
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Good film about the group holding one of the roads into Bakhmut open.

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Fascinating look at the use of Russian built tanks that Ukraine use.

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Retired F16 pilot offers to fly for Ukraine spurning others to do likewise…

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/03/...s-jet-problem/

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Originally Posted by Recc
You know where one US ISR aircraft is because the US air force is publicising where it is. You have know idea if or where other aircraft are operating. The US has a pretty good idea of what intelligence it and its allies need and how they can get it. If they think they need a new strategy then that is fine. If they think they need to send a quiet message to Russia that you and I will never hear about then that is fine too. The US is not interested in escalation, and not all responses need to be (or should be) in the public domain. The US strategy in Ukraine is delivering results that would have been unimaginable a year or two back and they certainly don't need a distraction from events in Ukraine like the other side does.
A fair point/s
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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Retired F16 pilot offers to fly for Ukraine spurning others to do likewise…

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/03/...s-jet-problem/



https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...C-odPv7bctAAAA
What Ukraine needs to do is have sufficient suppression and air superiority to start to attrit Russian pilots.
Yes they will loose pilots and craft in the process but eventually the Russian crews will just be pushed into the fight and be fodder for the more experienced Western / Ukrainian crews.
At that point they transition from superiority to supremacy and the war is done.
Problem is they have no means of suppressing ground based a to a systems so it could get messy.
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But then you need anti radar missiles to take care of that.

Meanwhile propagandists are talking about taking Istanbul as it is after all historicallyu Russian… lol


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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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Retired F16 pilot offers to fly for Ukraine spurning others to do likewise…

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/03/...s-jet-problem/



https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...C-odPv7bctAAAA
I presume good ole Dan has rounded up a posse of F-16 trained ground trades to get him into the air with full tanks and weapons under the wings?
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Warning, Grammar Nasty!

People keep reposting the word 'spurning' when they mean 'spurring'.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
I presume good ole Dan has rounded up a posse of F-16 trained ground trades to get him into the air with full tanks and weapons under the wings?
I'm sure they exist.
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
I'm sure they exist.
I wonder how many ground crew and logisticians to keep say, 12, F-16s refuelled, rearmed and maintained and how many of those would have to be trained to type?

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If they get the jets there are more than enough F-16 ground crew across Europe who could be persuaded to support them. It’s not as if they’d be flying into harm’s way.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
I wonder how many ground crew and logisticians to keep say, 12, F-16s refuelled, rearmed and maintained and how many of those would have to be trained to type?
A typical squadron in the USMC was 400ish personnel for 12+ jets. Imagine a skeleton outfit could do with less.
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A curious situation is developing in the balneological resort town of Goryachy Klyuch in Krasnodar Krai, Russia, between the town's administration and PMC Wagner.

The town's administration denied the previously approved request for the group to bury mercenaries killed in Ukraine, claiming that the journalists who come to report on the burial are ruining the image of the resort and its direct leadership.

Earlier, Prigozhin published several audio messaging condemning the town administration.

And today, GREY ZONE, Prigozhin's mouthpiece Telegram channel posted this video with alleged Wagner mercenaries addressing the town administration.

​​​​​​​As you can see, they use rather intimidating language.
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Originally Posted by West Coast
A typical squadron in the USMC was 400ish personnel for 12+ jets. Imagine a skeleton outfit could do with less.

400 LOL


An RAF Jaguar Sqn, 13 jets. with ALL of the Sqn manning. including the safety equippers and pilots, heck the GLO and his driver are also in there. What's that, just shy of 100 ish?



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