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Old 18th Mar 2023, 20:32
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Originally Posted by West Coast
A typical squadron in the USMC was 400ish personnel for 12+ jets. Imagine a skeleton outfit could do with less.
A lot of those 400 were truck drivers, cooks, supply types, medics, ammunition handlers, guards and such. Let's not forget that Ukraine has all of these available already. The pool of trained ex AF personnel is probably about 10,000 people. Getting support set up would be no problem. I bet there are many E-mails between candidates and the Ukrainians flying about as we speak.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 21:26
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I wonder how many ground crew and logisticians to keep say, 12, F-16s refuelled, rearmed and maintained and how many of those would have to be trained to type?
I'm by no means downplaying the logistical challenges of supporting a western/NATO aircraft type being integrated into Ukraine's air force. However, many military personnel will be familiar with the concept of Cross-Servicing within NATO; a training course of a week or less was sufficient to perform ground handling, refuelling, turnaround-servicing and rearming of a wide range of allied combat aircraft, including F-16.

With regard to deeper maintenance and troubleshooting, it only requires a small percentage of type-rated engineers to direct an existing skilled workforce of technicians, many of whom will already be familiar with civilian aircraft of American and western-European origin.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 21:49
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But then you need anti radar missiles to take care of that.

Meanwhile propagandists are talking about taking Istanbul as it is after all historicallyu Russian… lol




https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...C-mfSF_LctAAAA

Is there something in the Moscow water supply? The RT programs seem to go beyond sycophantic obsequience to the emperor with no clothes. Maybe there are magic mushrooms growing in their water reservoirs.
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 01:20
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
A lot of those 400 were truck drivers, cooks, supply types, medics, ammunition handlers, guards and such. Let's not forget that Ukraine has all of these available already. The pool of trained ex AF personnel is probably about 10,000 people. Getting support set up would be no problem. I bet there are many E-mails between candidates and the Ukrainians flying about as we speak.

Some were, other billets you mention are handled beyond the squadron level, which is why squadrons rarely deploy alone unless being hosted. You think Ukraine has maintainers with F16 experience?
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 01:30
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Originally Posted by West Coast
You think Ukraine has maintainers with F16 experience?
Ukraine has many aviation technicians out of work. The needed cadre of trained and experienced F-16 maintenance people are certainly available in the numbers needed for a squadron.
Within six months half the hired hands would be able to go home as the Ukrainians were trained.
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 03:00
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
Ukraine has many aviation technicians out of work. The needed cadre of trained and experienced F-16 maintenance people are certainly available in the numbers needed for a squadron.
Within six months half the hired hands would be able to go home as the Ukrainians were trained.
You’re very specific in your assertions, how so?
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 03:14
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
A lot of those 400 were truck drivers, cooks, supply types, medics, ammunition handlers, guards and such. Let's not forget that Ukraine has all of these available already. The pool of trained ex AF personnel is probably about 10,000 people. Getting support set up would be no problem. I bet there are many E-mails between candidates and the Ukrainians flying about as we speak.
Armourers were part of the Jag Sqn, cooks we normally had a 4 on exercise to feed a Sqn, guarding the Sqn was down to us on exercises so again part of the Sqn plus a couple of RAF police,.
But guards, cooks, supply, medics guards and truck drivers is just part of the wider RAF as it will be in the Ukrainian airforce and do not need a Sqns personnel to supply them, I would imagine major maintenance would be carried out over a border out of theatre.

Just like you have trucks feeding a frontline unit with food, fuel and ammo, the same happens with a squadron.
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 06:41
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You Tuber Denys Davydov, has released his latest update.
Seems to show columns of UKR military vehicles all lined up (pointing towards Bakhmut), in an area just outside Bakhmut.

Might be something about to cook...

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Old 19th Mar 2023, 09:02
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Originally Posted by West Coast
You’re very specific in your assertions, how so?
As a military NCO technician, and then as a civilian B/C licensed engineer, I don't think I've ever had a type-rating course last more than 3 weeks.

Personally, in equivalent circumstances, I'd be embarrassed if I didn't feel competent on, say, a MiG-29 or SU-25 within 6 months, particularly as we might assume that additional advice and support would remain available online.
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 10:13
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Yeah sure and bring it to the full attention of the enemy! Hmm
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 11:20
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Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
As a military NCO technician, and then as a civilian B/C licensed engineer, I don't think I've ever had a type-rating course last more than 3 weeks.

Personally, in equivalent circumstances, I'd be embarrassed if I didn't feel competent on, say, a MiG-29 or SU-25 within 6 months, particularly as we might assume that additional advice and support would remain available online.
My VC10 course was 6 weeks but that covered the Engines, APU, aircraft fuel system, electrics, cabin pressurisation, ground running, and Tanker versions with the HDU etc.

As a B/C licenced engineer I agree with course lengths.
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Outside Bakhmut a build up of Snatch Landrovers.


Fumr more on the others.. but just because it says that is where they are does not mean they are there, it might be a feint.


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Note: Footage posted later on, after change of the actual location and time.. Together to victory! Heróyam sláva!

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Old 19th Mar 2023, 11:52
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Outside Bakhmut a build up of Snatch Landrovers.
This reminds me how everybody expected offensive in Cherson but Izyum and Kupiansk were taken instead.
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 12:04
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Originally Posted by Pali
This reminds me how everybody expected offensive in Cherson but Izyum and Kupiansk were taken instead.
I agree, it is odd that we see the Ukrainians essentially issuing a press release about where the next offensive will take place.
I'm not buying it.
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 13:55
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Girkin on how to tell Putin from his doubles…. 😏

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Old 19th Mar 2023, 16:34
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Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
As a military NCO technician, and then as a civilian B/C licensed engineer, I don't think I've ever had a type-rating course last more than 3 weeks.

Personally, in equivalent circumstances, I'd be embarrassed if I didn't feel competent on, say, a MiG-29 or SU-25 within 6 months, particularly as we might assume that additional advice and support would remain available online.
I trust your timeline is accurate. There however is more to operating effectively in a war zone than knowing how to turn a wrench, hence my question to sfojimbo.
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Russian jet trying to take a Bayraktar down and failing apparently.


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Old 19th Mar 2023, 23:28
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Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
As a military NCO technician, and then as a civilian B/C licensed engineer, I don't think I've ever had a type-rating course last more than 3 weeks.

Personally, in equivalent circumstances, I'd be embarrassed if I didn't feel competent on, say, a MiG-29 or SU-25 within 6 months, particularly as we might assume that additional advice and support would remain available online.
My first UK CAA Section L type course was 15 weeks, including practical training, engine running, in sims etc. My last EASA 145, B1 type course was 8 weeks.
Are military fast jets so much simpler than say a big Boeing that they can cram it all in to 3 weeks?
Not knocking it, just surprised.
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Old 20th Mar 2023, 00:00
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
My first UK CAA Section L type course was 15 weeks, including practical training, engine running, in sims etc. My last EASA 145, B1 type course was 8 weeks.
Are military fast jets so much simpler than say a big Boeing that they can cram it all in to 3 weeks?
Not knocking it, just surprised.
Military Puma; 2 weeks. (airframe/engine)
Military CH-47; around 4 weeks (if I remember correctly, airframe/engine)
Civil SAAB 340; 2 or 3 weeks (I think). (B1)
DHC6/PT6A; 3 weeks. (B1)
B200; 2 weeks (B1)
B350; 2 weeks (B1)

I refer of course only to the formal training, not to practical experience but, hey, time-served aircraft engineers, 6 months fairly intensive practical .............?

(And you gave examples of 15 weeks, 8 weeks including practical, sim, ground runs).
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