Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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Leaving the symbolism aside, does the supply of Bradley and Marder FV significantly improve Ukraine fighting abilities ? Do they not already have a large - albeit rather mixed - number of IFV from Britain, Australia and numerous other countries ? Are these Western units much better ( if at all ) than all the BMP variants ?
Ukraine thoughts on the M113
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and..._bmp-5047.html
Reports that Russia has taken the town of Soledar should be of great concern.
Soledar is placed on a massive system of salt mines that extend for miles deep underground and would offer the Russians impregnable and infinite space to stockpile troops, munitions and armour in total safety.
The prospect of a large force being prepared underground unseen and of unknown quantity that can just erupt from a score or more of entrances like a horde of Orcs must be immensely serious.
One can only speculate whether the opportunity to steal an entire lucrative industry is not also a considerable motivation for Prigozhin. I cannot imagine the idea has escaped him while he has tens of thousands of mobiks to expend in gaining that prize.
Soledar is placed on a massive system of salt mines that extend for miles deep underground and would offer the Russians impregnable and infinite space to stockpile troops, munitions and armour in total safety.
The prospect of a large force being prepared underground unseen and of unknown quantity that can just erupt from a score or more of entrances like a horde of Orcs must be immensely serious.
One can only speculate whether the opportunity to steal an entire lucrative industry is not also a considerable motivation for Prigozhin. I cannot imagine the idea has escaped him while he has tens of thousands of mobiks to expend in gaining that prize.
“I have a great idea…bring lots of explosives and flammable stuff then let’s all hide down a massive salt mine that our enemies have the blueprints for. We’ll be safe there! What could go wrong?” What’s that you say? ‘Seal us underground? Pour fuel and explosives down ventilation shafts? Ignite same thereby sucking all the air out of the mines?’ Nyet…they’ll never think of that!” Good luck with that plan!
Also isn’t one of the rules of combat : “If you make it impossible for the enemy to get in ….you make it impossible for you to get out!”
Also isn’t one of the rules of combat : “If you make it impossible for the enemy to get in ….you make it impossible for you to get out!”
I am reminded of the time that my neighbor advised me, when dealing with fire ants, to take a large bottle of club soda to one of those big ant hills, open it and pour it down.
There's CO2 in the bubbles.
And it sinks.
(I backed up his suggestion with a can of Pledge and a cigarette lighter. It more or less worked, but I did have to deal with a few stragglers...)
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The thing with mines and using them as shelters is Ukraine will know the exact location of entrances, vent shafts etc and are possession of precise guided munitions, they could be rapidly turned into mass tombs.
If there's only one or two ways in, there are only one or two way out. Granted, the North Koreans and North Vietnamese use/used caves and underground tunnels to good advantage in some cases, but I don't think that 'we are in a cavern' is The Easy Button if your objective, as stated by Vlad the Putinator, is conquest of a given region.
That's nice, that's a mature training culture and facility.
It is.
I am reminded of the time that my neighbor advised me, when dealing with fire ants, to take a large bottle of club soda to one of those big ant hills, open it and pour it down.
There's CO2 in the bubbles.
And it sinks.
(I backed up his suggestion with a can of Pledge and a cigarette lighter. It more or less worked, but I did have to deal with a few stragglers...)
That's nice, that's a mature training culture and facility.
It is.
I am reminded of the time that my neighbor advised me, when dealing with fire ants, to take a large bottle of club soda to one of those big ant hills, open it and pour it down.
There's CO2 in the bubbles.
And it sinks.
(I backed up his suggestion with a can of Pledge and a cigarette lighter. It more or less worked, but I did have to deal with a few stragglers...)
in vietnam they used to do that or acetelene and oxygen pumped down and ignited.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Current situation in Soledar.
UKR front lines seem unbroken, but retreating to the west of the town and stabilising around the salt mines. Russian troops on the flanks to the north and south of the town but UKR still holding the suburbs.
UKR front lines seem unbroken, but retreating to the west of the town and stabilising around the salt mines. Russian troops on the flanks to the north and south of the town but UKR still holding the suburbs.
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More on Bakhmut and Soledar, it seems all the Wagner forces near Bakhmut have been transferred to Soledar
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Diesmt sound like more than a few days worth - but presumably it’s the start of a constant stream of deliveries.
Pakistan providing weapons to Ukraine
According to the business edition of India The Economic Times, 159 containers with ammunition for the Ukrainian army will arrive from the Pakistani port city of Karachi to through the port in Gdansk.
The contents include 155-mm artillery shells and charges together with multipurpose fuses.
Pakistan providing weapons to Ukraine
According to the business edition of India The Economic Times, 159 containers with ammunition for the Ukrainian army will arrive from the Pakistani port city of Karachi to through the port in Gdansk.
The contents include 155-mm artillery shells and charges together with multipurpose fuses.
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Good for Pakistan 🇵🇰!
A cup of petrol in each nest/ mole heave and a match tossed.
We had a spectacular chain reaction round the patch, and I wish I had filmed it.
There is an arsonist/ bomber lurking in us all.
Leopard tank dam broken by Poland ....
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato...o-ukraine.html
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1613174589156200448
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato...o-ukraine.html
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1613174589156200448
Back to aviation, nowadays a drone swarm is a whole different matter, and a lot more lethal.
wow, ****
not picked up on any twitter stuff for few months but this footage puts it all back to forefront of the invasion.
"Graphic content. Intense video of apparent russian forces assaulting 🇺🇦 positions. 🇷🇺 soldier approaches a foxhole in which two 🇺🇦 servicemen are sitting. He tells them to drop their weapons. The two, clearly confused are screaming: "friendlies! friendlies!" They are killed shortly after.
War IS hell, war in 2023 is surreal. a headcam point of view of wickedness and chaos of battle. could be 1915 in the trench's of ww1, at-least head shots are cleaner than bayonets.
poor souls. imagine the mother father brother son daughter watching there loved ones perish like this.
a pause for thought.
War IS hell, war in 2023 is surreal. a headcam point of view of wickedness and chaos of battle. could be 1915 in the trench's of ww1, at-least head shots are cleaner than bayonets.
poor souls. imagine the mother father brother son daughter watching there loved ones perish like this.
a pause for thought.
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not picked up on any twitter stuff for few months but this footage puts it all back to forefront of the invasion.
https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/sta...68882138628100
"Graphic content. Intense video of apparent russian forces assaulting 🇺🇦 positions. 🇷🇺 soldier approaches a foxhole in which two 🇺🇦 servicemen are sitting. He tells them to drop their weapons. The two, clearly confused are screaming: "friendlies! friendlies!" They are killed shortly after.
War IS hell, war in 2023 is surreal. a headcam point of view of wickedness and chaos of battle. could be 1915 in the trench's of ww1, at-least head shots are cleaner than bayonets.
poor souls. imagine the mother father brother son daughter watching there loved ones perish like this.
a pause for thought.
https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/sta...68882138628100
"Graphic content. Intense video of apparent russian forces assaulting 🇺🇦 positions. 🇷🇺 soldier approaches a foxhole in which two 🇺🇦 servicemen are sitting. He tells them to drop their weapons. The two, clearly confused are screaming: "friendlies! friendlies!" They are killed shortly after.
War IS hell, war in 2023 is surreal. a headcam point of view of wickedness and chaos of battle. could be 1915 in the trench's of ww1, at-least head shots are cleaner than bayonets.
poor souls. imagine the mother father brother son daughter watching there loved ones perish like this.
a pause for thought.
Lord Dannatt is saying send 50 Challengers not 12 according to the fail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-help-win.html
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The war in Ukraine
Just a passing thought, if I may. After almost 11 months of war, Is it not perhaps time for this thread to be renamed?
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Ah, but we have an historic timeline of discussion here. And can possibly reveal how wrong many pundits were? 