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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 1st Dec 2021, 14:35
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Getting scary.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 16:44
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No war yet , just peaceful use of artillery towards civilian area by a Ukraine journalist . Would that be considered a provocation, an aggression or a criminal act ?
I do hope he is standing right next to the gun when the peaceful response is issued .
Speaking as a journalist, this is probably the stupidest thing you could do in a warzone. In Afghanistan, I refused to handle any weaponry even though I was offered a (what looked to be a very fun) go on the ranges a few times. It's just not a good look, and puts every other journalist in danger.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 17:03
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
Speaking as a journalist, this is probably the stupidest thing you could do in a warzone. In Afghanistan, I refused to handle any weaponry even though I was offered a (what looked to be a very fun) go on the ranges a few times. It's just not a good look, and puts every other journalist in danger.
There is a certain Argentine journalist that was on the Falkland islands during the conflict of 1982 who reportedly fired an artillery piece towards British positions.
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 07:14
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There was the case of the Russian journalist/writer, Boris Zemtsov, who was filmed shooting into Sarajevo during the siege. I believe he later stood trial for it.

https://sarajevotimes.com/russian-jo...eople-bih-war/

It's easy to get carried away in such situations, and to not want to offend the soldiers around you and to be seen as 'one of the boys', and, frankly, shooting guns is fun. But you have to draw a line.

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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 21:15
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The red lines are about to get highlighted in crimson .
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 08:58
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"passionate message from NATO Chief @jensstoltenberg (who is from Norway so knows first hand what it's like to neighbour Russia) to President Vladimir Putin - you have no right to a "sphere of influence" to control your neighbours"

Very true but the Russians will just point at the Monroe Doctrine
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 10:15
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Originally Posted by transport jock
That’s such a hypocritical statement when the USA maintains bases around the world to do exactly that.. Maintain a sphere of influence on countries all over the globe… 🤦🏻‍♂️
There's a difference between having a sphere of influence and having a right to a sphere of influence...
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Originally Posted by pba_target
There's a difference between having a sphere of influence and having a right to a sphere of influence...
anyone within the Putins claimed sphere of influence will concur. Especially if one happens to be within their A2AD region. Like Norway.
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There is also a difference between being in the bleachers, and on the diamond and loading the bases.

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I find it ironic that he is claiming the wests influence and that of NATO’s close to the Russian border is of concern, considering the Soviet Union taking over those countries against the wests borders was built on exactly that and built by force.

The difference being that the west has been invited in and have grown together in prosperity and mutual agreement with these countries, not having it forced upon them by tanks and fear.
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 12:00
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I find it ironic that he is claiming the wests influence and that of NATO’s close to the Russian border is of concern, considering the Soviet Union taking over those countries against the wests borders was built on exactly that and built by force.

The difference being that the west has been invited in and have grown together in prosperity and mutual agreement with these countries, not having it forced upon them by tanks and fear.
Spot on, sir.
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 12:51
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They are selling the farms .

https://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/ukrai...de-moratorium/
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Spot on, sir.
Thank you, perhaps Putin needs to ask himself why it required a wall with mines, machine gun posts and dogs to keep people in his utopia and prevent them fleeing to the west, but since that came down and those countries grew closer to the west there hasn’t been seen a need to build a wall to prevent the populations fleeing to the east.
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Originally Posted by transport jock
You mean how like the West was invited in to Libya, Iraq, Syria,Yemen and Afghanistan etc?

I am not pro west or pro Putin, but just playing devils advocate here. Can you imagine the worlds reaction if Russia had invaded Iraq under the pretense of looking for weapons of mass destruction and not finding anything…
west is being used rather freely in this statement, aye?

Imagine how the world would react if any of the western countries invaded sovereign state like Ukraine with unmarked soldiers and annexed part of it, say, Crimea.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Thank you, perhaps Putin needs to ask himself why it required a wall with mines, machine gun posts and dogs to keep people in his utopia and prevent them fleeing to the west, but since that came down and those countries grew closer to the west there hasn’t been seen a need to build a wall to prevent the populations fleeing to the east.
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Originally Posted by transport jock
You mean how like the West was invited in to Libya, Iraq, Syria,Yemen and Afghanistan etc?

I am not pro west or pro Putin, but just playing devils advocate here. Can you imagine the worlds reaction if Russia had invaded Iraq under the pretense of looking for weapons of mass destruction and not finding anything…
Russia went into Afghanistan and were / are in Syria, they are also in Libya were we were invited in to help.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...year-dtf6mrkgk

Putin ‘is ready to invade Ukraine in the new year’

Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin will hold crisis talks tomorrow as Russia masses 175,000 troops on the border with Ukraine and US intelligence warns of a potential invasion early next year. American intelligence officers believe Moscow has drawn up plans for a military offensive on several fronts as the Kremlin continues to move troops, artillery and armour up to the borders of eastern Europe…..

Ukrainian and Nato sources fear that Moscow could use migrants to seize the Suwałki Corridor — a 60-mile sliver of territory between Poland and Lithuania. The corridor is all that connects Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia with the rest of the European Union and Nato’s European territories.

Under such a scenario, Russia could push migrants into the corridor and stoke unrest. Russian troops could then sweep in and deploy military patrols along the corridor under the guise of a humanitarian crisis. Such a move would enable Russia to link up its forces in Kaliningrad with Belarus. All this could be achieved in less than two hours, Ukrainian assessments suggest. A diplomat from eastern Europe told The Times: “Refugees are a very sophisticated weapon if they are weaponised.”

Last month Russia sent troops to the Belarus border with Poland, where hundreds of migrants were trying to cross to the EU. The Kremlin said the sudden deployment was for snap drills. A Ukrainian source said the migrant crisis on the Belarus border was part of a plan to see if Nato would trigger Article 5 on collective defence of the alliance. They said it was a “rehearsal” for using migrants to seize more territory…….




https://cepa.org/the-suwalki-corridor/
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Someone on our side needs to grow a set of balls to prevent this.
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