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Old 21st Jun 2007, 11:18
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Points 1 thru 5: How does having hundreds of aircraft on order and the largest airport in the world secure an airline and a countries future? Hopefully EKs sums are done and the passenger and cargo traffic will be there to fill these aircraft and this airport.

Points 7 thru 8: No more oil and the rest is financed by magic???

Point 9: And could someone remind me what the Cathay ratio of crew to aircraft is? And how much CX crew are paid?
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 13:24
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EK Recruitment

I got this forwarded by a friend, apparently written by an ex Australian Airlines pilot, seems to cover it all nicely. I particularly found the number of pilots they need interesting.
G'day All,
I recently spent a few days in Dubai – no, I wasn’t actually there to apply to Emirates, saw a few QF guys who were though! However, for other reasons, I did end up meeting the Flt Ops HR Manager and the Manager of Pilot Recruitment while I was there. I had good discussions with them regarding the selection process, requirements, interview, etc, as well as their pilot requirements for the foreseeable future. I was also given a tour of Dubai, and shown the pilot accommodation villas, training facilities, etc.
They have heard about the closure of AO and asked how they could recruit pilots who may not wish to return to Qantas. They asked me if I would pass on some info to anyone interested and be a point of contact to discuss what they told me/showed me while I was there, what I thought of Dubai, etc. I have a number of Emirates recruitment DVDs and brochures on Dubai, and well as some fact sheets on their selection process, terms and conditions, and so forth. If any one is interested, let me know.
In a word, they are desperate for pilots, they need 280 by the end of this year and 450 next year, and that’s just for starters. Emirates currently has about 1700 pilots, they require 3000 by 2010. They have over a hundred aircraft on order, including 48 A380s, and rumor has it that they are about to order another 100 aircraft, which will obviously create a requirement for more pilots.
There is quite a bit of info about requirements, T&Cs, life in Dubai, etc on the Emirates website, go to www.emirates.com. Here is a brief summary:
Requirements:
Direct Entry Command 8000 hrs total (was previously 10,000)
3000 hrs command multi-engine, multi-crew aircraft >55t (Not negotiable!)
4000 hrs total M/E, M/Crew a/c >10t as P1 or P2 (Capt or F/O)
Preference for Boeing EFIS time for short transition course onto B777.
(At this stage DEC planned to close in July/August, no guarantee of opening again…
Accelerated Command 6000 hrs total
4000 hrs total M/E, M/Crew a/c >10t as P1 or P2 (Capt or F/O)
Anticipated Upgrade to Captain within 2yrs (probably 18mths)
First Officer 4000 hrs total
2000 hrs total M/E, M/Crew a/c >10t as P1 or P2 (Capt or F/O)
Minimum 3 yrs continuous service with Emirates.
Salaries
Captain First Officer
Monthly Base Pay (Dirhams) 29,750 20,840 (1 AUD = 3 Dirham approx, i.e. divide by 3 = AUD)
Productivity Pay (hrly rate over 78/mth) 460 325
Flying Pay (per hr flown up to 78/mth) 45 35
Provident Fund (Super) <10yrs Srvce 12% 12%
>10yrs Srvce 15% 15%
Currency Fluctuation Protection
Emirates pays a monthly payment to protect against appreciation of your ‘home’ currency against the Dirham. At the moment, this is about AUD$1,860 per month for Captains, AUD$1,300 for F/Os.
Accommodation
Emirates provides pilots fully furnished free accommodation, including all water, gas, elec, & maint costs; however, if you want to purchase a property, or live elsewhere (within Dubai, that is), they will pay a mthly accom. Allowance of 10,590 for Captains, and 9,430 for F/Os
School Fees
Emirates pays school fees for up to 3 children, for primary they pay 100% of fees up to 10,000/yr, and 90% of fees above that to max of 30,000. For secondary, they pay 100% of first 20,000 and 90% of remainder up to max of 48,000 per year (these figures are per child).
Medical & Insurance.
Free medical for employee, heavily subsidized for spouse/children. Loss of Licence insurance is 36 moths salary; accident and life insurance is 48 months salary
Annual Leave
42 days/year. Emirates provides free travel to home for employee, spouse, children once a year. Can be used to go anywhere in network, also.
Bonus
Paid yearly, usually minimum one month salary, has been as high as three months.
Bidding
Monthly requests for trips, days off, layovers/overnights, etc, can also negative bid trips.
Rotating seniority system; pilots in each rank/type are in five groups, 1-5, they rotate each month, therefore cycle through in 5 months. Reserve is shared, generally do a ‘reserve line’ about every 9-12 months.
Car Loan
New Hire pilots qualify for interest free loan for 55,000 Dirham when starting. Emirates provides chauffeur driven car to/from work each trip, free for all flight crew.
Selection Process
The selection process runs over three days:
Day 1: Is a welcome chat/brief; document check, incl logbook/licence, etc; followed by technical quiz of 30 questions, ranging from easy to hard. Not too much emphasis is placed in this in terms of the final outcome, it is mainly designed to separate the pretenders and contenders. This is followed by the sim. Yep, sim on day one. I have more info about the sim content if required.
Day 2: This includes a few teamwork exercises/workshops and role play etc. This is followed by a brief on T&Cs at Emirates, life in Dubai, and includes a short tour of Dubai, including pilot accommodation/villas, medical facilities and training facilities if there is time.
Day 3: This includes psychometric testing and the panel interview, which is generally a conducted by an HR person and a Captain on the pilot selection committee.
After the interview is the medical.
Okay, probably sounds like a lot of info from someone who wasn’t checking out the employment opportunities. But that’s the truth, they are so desperate for pilots they were quite happy to spend the time with me to ‘pass the message’ on to others. By the way, this email shouldn’t be taken as an endorsement for Emirates or leaving Qantas, or in any way aimed at influencing anyone’s decision, I am merely passing on information I was given to repay the hospitality I was shown…. and no I don’t get a commission on recruits!!
Let me know if you if you require anymore information.
Cheers, xxxxx
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 13:29
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Dude....were talking about Emirates here.
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 13:47
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Sorry Dude.... that my comments were too obtuse for you.

I don't remember the exact figures, but recall that some months ago a number of posters on PPRuNe ME pointed out that CX had around a third as many flightcrew again as Emirates employ to operate pretty much the same number of aircraft, i.e. CX have around 2300 crew to operate 100+ aircraft. Presumably the implications of these figures (if true) will not be lost on you with regard to comparisons of workload and fatigue management between EK and CX.

Hope that is clearer.

Care to expand on your comment about magic money? Word on the street is that Dubai has a drip feed from Abu Dhabi. Whether that is a good or bad thing I wouldn't know.
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 14:11
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EK

Fly747

Great post, and thank you very much for your time. For start they should stop making people wait 24 months to reapply. 24 months is a long time in this market when just about every airline is looking for pilot. Looks like they need to hire about 47 pilot each month, WOW, how are are going to do that
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 14:30
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3 months bonus. Woo hoo, I missed that one, where do I get the back pay?
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:04
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Cathay operate more flights requiring 4 pilots by virtue of their route structure. Emirates on the same route structure would also have 4 pilots on board. Although I have to admit that the ULH crewing annex is a load of trash.

However, Cathay use S/O's and one Captain, a far cheaper option than the EK equation of Two Captains and Two F/O's. The EK crewing option results in 50% Captain/FO ratio and no S/O's. If I was after a quicker command, EK should be the better option.

Before anyone gets into a pissing contest about CX FO's making more than EK Captains, don't bother unless it's a true and accurate breakdown of all costs between HKG and DXB.

Because Cathay have more long haul flights (using 4 pilots) they have more pilots. EK's training burden also creates a bubble of less productive trainers....wrt to line flying that is!!
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:13
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US Pilot...how apt.

Bitter about having to wait 24 months are we? A while ago there was zero chance of recourse.....oh, by the way. If I'd been told to come back in 24 months, I would probably consider a little more humility. Perhaps they had justification?
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:33
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I am sorry, but what make's you think I am bitter about having to wait 24 months, I can care less what they do. All I was saying is if need 280 pilots this year maybe they should lower the waitting time and add more pilots to the pool. At any rate I am sorry if I sound bitter, fly safe
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:40
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did they also mention that you do lots of night flying, min days off and if you are over the limit they just change the law that you are legal again?
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:43
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Great explanation Atiuta....and thanks for the info.

Montancee...."yawn"
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:55
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Fly747.....great post....thanks for the info...and please excuse my "charming" colleagues for their "contribution."

Good luck.

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Old 21st Jun 2007, 15:58
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This one posted by Fly 747 on another thread.

Good info:

EK Recruitment
I got this forwarded by a friend, apparently written by an ex Australian Airlines pilot, seems to cover it all nicely. I particularly found the number of pilots they need interesting.
G'day All,
I recently spent a few days in Dubai – no, I wasn’t actually there to apply to Emirates, saw a few QF guys who were though! However, for other reasons, I did end up meeting the Flt Ops HR Manager and the Manager of Pilot Recruitment while I was there. I had good discussions with them regarding the selection process, requirements, interview, etc, as well as their pilot requirements for the foreseeable future. I was also given a tour of Dubai, and shown the pilot accommodation villas, training facilities, etc.
They have heard about the closure of AO and asked how they could recruit pilots who may not wish to return to Qantas. They asked me if I would pass on some info to anyone interested and be a point of contact to discuss what they told me/showed me while I was there, what I thought of Dubai, etc. I have a number of Emirates recruitment DVDs and brochures on Dubai, and well as some fact sheets on their selection process, terms and conditions, and so forth. If any one is interested, let me know.
In a word, they are desperate for pilots, they need 280 by the end of this year and 450 next year, and that’s just for starters. Emirates currently has about 1700 pilots, they require 3000 by 2010. They have over a hundred aircraft on order, including 48 A380s, and rumor has it that they are about to order another 100 aircraft, which will obviously create a requirement for more pilots.
There is quite a bit of info about requirements, T&Cs, life in Dubai, etc on the Emirates website, go to www.emirates.com. Here is a brief summary:
Requirements:
Direct Entry Command 8000 hrs total (was previously 10,000)
3000 hrs command multi-engine, multi-crew aircraft >55t (Not negotiable!)
4000 hrs total M/E, M/Crew a/c >10t as P1 or P2 (Capt or F/O)
Preference for Boeing EFIS time for short transition course onto B777.
(At this stage DEC planned to close in July/August, no guarantee of opening again…
Accelerated Command 6000 hrs total
4000 hrs total M/E, M/Crew a/c >10t as P1 or P2 (Capt or F/O)
Anticipated Upgrade to Captain within 2yrs (probably 18mths)
First Officer 4000 hrs total
2000 hrs total M/E, M/Crew a/c >10t as P1 or P2 (Capt or F/O)
Minimum 3 yrs continuous service with Emirates.
Salaries
Captain First Officer
Monthly Base Pay (Dirhams) 29,750 20,840 (1 AUD = 3 Dirham approx, i.e. divide by 3 = AUD)
Productivity Pay (hrly rate over 78/mth) 460 325
Flying Pay (per hr flown up to 78/mth) 45 35
Provident Fund (Super) <10yrs Srvce 12% 12%
>10yrs Srvce 15% 15%
Currency Fluctuation Protection
Emirates pays a monthly payment to protect against appreciation of your ‘home’ currency against the Dirham. At the moment, this is about AUD$1,860 per month for Captains, AUD$1,300 for F/Os.
Accommodation
Emirates provides pilots fully furnished free accommodation, including all water, gas, elec, & maint costs; however, if you want to purchase a property, or live elsewhere (within Dubai, that is), they will pay a mthly accom. Allowance of 10,590 for Captains, and 9,430 for F/Os
School Fees
Emirates pays school fees for up to 3 children, for primary they pay 100% of fees up to 10,000/yr, and 90% of fees above that to max of 30,000. For secondary, they pay 100% of first 20,000 and 90% of remainder up to max of 48,000 per year (these figures are per child).
Medical & Insurance.
Free medical for employee, heavily subsidized for spouse/children. Loss of Licence insurance is 36 moths salary; accident and life insurance is 48 months salary
Annual Leave
42 days/year. Emirates provides free travel to home for employee, spouse, children once a year. Can be used to go anywhere in network, also.
Bonus
Paid yearly, usually minimum one month salary, has been as high as three months.
Bidding
Monthly requests for trips, days off, layovers/overnights, etc, can also negative bid trips.
Rotating seniority system; pilots in each rank/type are in five groups, 1-5, they rotate each month, therefore cycle through in 5 months. Reserve is shared, generally do a ‘reserve line’ about every 9-12 months.
Car Loan
New Hire pilots qualify for interest free loan for 55,000 Dirham when starting. Emirates provides chauffeur driven car to/from work each trip, free for all flight crew.
Selection Process
The selection process runs over three days:
Day 1: Is a welcome chat/brief; document check, incl logbook/licence, etc; followed by technical quiz of 30 questions, ranging from easy to hard. Not too much emphasis is placed in this in terms of the final outcome, it is mainly designed to separate the pretenders and contenders. This is followed by the sim. Yep, sim on day one. I have more info about the sim content if required.
Day 2: This includes a few teamwork exercises/workshops and role play etc. This is followed by a brief on T&Cs at Emirates, life in Dubai, and includes a short tour of Dubai, including pilot accommodation/villas, medical facilities and training facilities if there is time.
Day 3: This includes psychometric testing and the panel interview, which is generally a conducted by an HR person and a Captain on the pilot selection committee.
After the interview is the medical.
Okay, probably sounds like a lot of info from someone who wasn’t checking out the employment opportunities. But that’s the truth, they are so desperate for pilots they were quite happy to spend the time with me to ‘pass the message’ on to others. By the way, this email shouldn’t be taken as an endorsement for Emirates or leaving Qantas, or in any way aimed at influencing anyone’s decision, I am merely passing on information I was given to repay the hospitality I was shown…. and no I don’t get a commission on recruits!!
Let me know if you if you require anymore information.
Cheers, xxxxx


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Old 21st Jun 2007, 16:08
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Not me

Thanks for the compliments on the post but I just pasted and posted something I was forwarded because it is the best "unemotional" and most comprehensive summary of EK I've seen and I wanted to share it here.
30R I don't have the DVD, maybe try EK recruitment direct for a copy.
Aircraft orders just keep coming at Paris, the next couple of years have got to see pilots with the upper hand and gaining increased pay and conditions or the big players are just going to see their new jets parked up.
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 16:29
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Some useful information in the above post. Informative and mostly factual rather than the home grown twaddle that Crinklstein spews every few weeks that is at best subjective and at worst fabrication.

And Atiuta, do you have any information about CX MFF, namely mix of short haul, long haul and ultra long haul duties flown to short haul rest patterns as experienced by EK crews? Are Cathay crews regularly up against 900 hours as some EK crews are?
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 16:51
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Accurate Post. At least an accurate regurgitation of the recruiting spiel.

To take up a single point which is easy to refute. The minimum bonus is 0. I have been here 10 years and it has never been 3 months. There has been some bonus every year, minimum was 2 or 3 weeks from memory.

The point is that whilst the recruiting spiel sounds good, like everything in this game, treat it with suspicion and get the facts from one of your mates.

V
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Old 21st Jun 2007, 19:50
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It's true about Mr Vorsicht's post on the bonus.

It has never, I say again, never been 3 months! The highest reached was about 4 years ago at 10 weeks (basic pay) and the lowest, since it was introduced in 1997, 2 weeks. There is no guarantee on it at all but I reckon the targets are designed to always produce some.

On average it seems to be around 4-5 weeks these days. Not enough to keep me in the cask conditioned ale I'm accustomed to but marginally better than finding a scorpion in your flip flop!!

The rest of the info looks pretty accurate at least on paper; you must have had a sore wrist after that visit fly 747 !! (from writing the notes, not visiting the York International I mean)

The Fox and Firkin
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 00:09
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So no news on the 'rumoured' retention bonus then??
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 00:33
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Fly747,

Please PM me the info on EK, especially the tech and sim details... Very nice of you to share these info with everyone. God bless...
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 01:48
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Try the fragrant harbour forum.
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