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Old 13th Jun 2012, 11:07
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AAA Assessment

Great input guys, thanks ..

I've asked about the employment chances .. as confirmed by AAA, yes there's no guarantee for ABY employment .. but if the students do and completed the MPL program well, there's no way that ABY won't take them. Moreover, as per the new contract (confirmed by the AAA management) the students are guaranteed 1500hrs with ABY before they get released .. so if ABY is not willing to take you, at least you'll get your MPL and could convert the license to ATPL .. then you are free to apply to any airline in the world" .. Well that sounds good enough for me though if I may choose, I'd rather join ABY than have to work my way out for employment after cashing out around USD 183k .. I've never seen the contract myself yet but I hope that's true .. Any opinion? ...

Secondly, any suggestion/advise to prepare for AAA assessment? I couldn't find any PILAPT / Compass practice book for beginner or Psychometric book that specifically mentioned for cadet pilot? (I have checked and tried the one that have been suggested or discussed on PPRuNe thread, IPAS) ..
I just wanna ensure that I get a good score, so that AAA and myself are worth the money .. help ..
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Old 13th Jun 2012, 14:09
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do not worry about the assessment. You will get an offer no matter what.

If you go for the assessment drunk, high on drugs and half blind you will still pass the entrance exams. There is no point in having the compass exams if they are not followed properly.

You have correctly mentioned that it is ~$183k. How many of us can pay that? I am lucky that i come from a wealthy family so paying for that is not an issue. But, this is not the case with everyone. As a result Alpha just wants to accept anyone who wants to come to alpha. The only reason those people never entered alpha was because of the money. I heard this from a realiable source. So far everyone who entered Alpha asking for a place got offered one. Which good flying school does that?! Oxford only takes u if u meet their standard unlike in alpha where money buys u a place imo.

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Old 13th Jun 2012, 14:51
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Sky81

.. as confirmed by AAA, yes there's no guarantee for ABY employment .. but if the students do and completed the MPL program well, there's no way that ABY won't take them. Moreover, as per the new contract (confirmed by the AAA management) the students are guaranteed 1500hrs with ABY before they get released .. so if ABY is not willing to take you, at least you'll get your MPL and could convert the license to ATPL .. then you are free to apply to any airline in the world" ..
Where have we heard this before?

I would advise you to have ALL those "guarantees" in writing before you dish out a single cent.

....if the students do and completed the MPL program well, there's no way that ABY won't take them....
tch tch tch.... a fool and his money.....

GOOD LUCK!!!!
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Old 13th Jun 2012, 15:13
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There is no cutoff or failing grade for PILAPT, so don't worry about that assessment... check the company website for more information.

A very important factor to keep in mind is... your time. Ask how many cadets are waiting ahead of you for the Line Training; what would be your exact start date; etc.

Its good you're asking the questions, doing the prep work. Make sure you have a plan B, too.

ABY won't take cadets if it doesn't need them. Another recession, another war, another SARS event - anything can happen*.


Last edited by Taras B; 13th Jun 2012 at 15:33. Reason: *3:21 yo'
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Old 13th Jun 2012, 17:22
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As I said before, there are NO GUARANTEES in aviation! Get real guys! The chief pilot of my ex-airline stayed jobless for 5 and 1/2 years! ...dont lose focus and keep working hard!

Cheers!
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Old 13th Jun 2012, 19:54
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Honestpilot. If AAG is so bad, why don't you leave? Also, why don't you share your opinions with your future employer, Air Arabia? I am sure that they will be delighted to hear that you have such a low opinion of their chosen training school (in which they are a shareholder) and it will do wonders for your job prospects.
I will not leave because I will not get my money back. And yes if i went to AA and told them what i felt then yes I would not get a job.

TARAS B, there was no illegal overtime for FI's, there was no under-establishment of FI's and no enforced shut down of the Sharjah flight line. Everything was 100% compliant and the flight line shut down for nothing more sinister than commercial reasons.
Now, when I read this you make yourself stupid. So you are telling me that is is more COMMERCIAL viable to send FOUR students to Australia to finish their line training?! If i remember correctly the one girl had 1 hour left and she had to fly many sorties again! It was similar to the other students! So instead of letting them finish their training in the one of other 172 they had u made them fly to Australia, spend more hours flying on a new plane (piper) and then finishing their required hours.
That to me sounds a lot more expensive. You would have had to pay the flights to Australia for 4 students, rent for 4 students and all the required flight for 4 students. Flights to Australia on Cathay costs ~5k (per person) rent costs some 4k (per person) and flights maybe an extra 2k (per person). That is an extra 10k dhs per person. If flying was allowed in Shj then AAG would not need to pay for the flights or the rent. The only reason that would happen is if the flightline in AAG was closed. When I was in Australia some students told me that the flightline was closed by GCAA. So, sorry to say this but I will believe them over you.
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Old 13th Jun 2012, 20:01
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Yes, bad things happened in the past (although Alpha dealt with them very honourably), but the new management run the business very professionally and everything is 100% ethical and safe.[QUOTE]
Stratocruiser bad things continue to happen even now only you do not want to acknowledge it. To say that the new management has set everything right is a joke. You got to earn the respect of cadets which is not the case. When all the issuses are settled then all the negative posts will end. It is simple to understand this
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Old 19th Jun 2012, 22:51
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Hi Guys!
After looking at FTEJerez and CTC wings, I recently found out the MPL programme of Alpha aviation in Sharjah.
They said that the programme includes 1500 hours on A320. But I cant really trust them and things in middle east change overnight and you cant really do much. I asked them why the cadets dont sign a contract with Air Arabia before commencing the training, rather than signing it after finishing the training. The replied that Air Arabia wants to hire pilot not students,lol.
Any current cadet or anyone doing training in Sharjah? What would you recommend?
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 01:40
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imran_x66 if you pass the initial assessment with AAG you will then be interviewed by Air Arabia Sr Capt and HR and they will confirm to you that after successfully completing the MPL course with AAG you will be offered a full time job as a First Officer its at that time you will sign a contract with Air Arabia.

Air Arabia cant hire you until you are qualified pilot. It would be impossible for them to issue you a UAE work permit while you are a cadet pilot with AAG.

btw... I work for AAG Im not a cadet.

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Old 20th Jun 2012, 06:29
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If you work for AAG then at least get the basic factual info correct. I think even Air Arabia would be appalled by the misinformation. After successful completion of the MPL and an Air Arabia interview someone will only then be offered a line training contract. All who have successfully completed the MPL to date have been accepted for line training but there is no guarantee of this in writing for anyone. The persent contract is NOT a 1st Officer contract - what rubbish. It is a 750 hour written temporary contract with a verbal promise that all will get at least 1,500 hours. So at 750 hours AA will either extend for another 750 hours or offer a 1st Officer contract - it all depends on AAs manning requirements and perfomance during the first 750 hours. So your assertion that we will get an open ended permanent 1st Officer contract straight away from AA is plain wrong. AA is probably rightly assessing competence and will only wish to retain who it wishes to retain.
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 13:14
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Sign me up then. Here I come with 100,000 US. To complete an MPL licence with that airline only for a temporary contract..... With a bunch of if, buts and maybe's.
I cannot possibly understand why people are even considering this setup, with that money on training go and get yourself a proper licence and be employable any where around the world.
Properly set up MPL or normal Atpl sponsorship the airline is responsible for you from the word go, it is their money they are spending on you, also it is the airline that can break the contract if you are unable to stay with the training.
These guys seem to like to sound that they can guarantee your career, nothing is guaranteed in aviation, this airline may go bust or change its company name and where will you be halfway through your MPL. I bet if this certain company was then to change its business details and name, the contracts would be worthless and that would be one way of not honoring obligations if there is a slowdown in their pilot recruitment.

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Old 22nd Jun 2012, 05:18
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Stratocruiser how many will you remove ? There will be many waiting ? Alpha will be exposed to the entire aviation community. It is better to settle all the issues if you want a new beginning. Think about it, otherwise there is no stopping.

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Old 22nd Jun 2012, 15:01
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Not sure that Alpha management and Halldale will allow it though.
Why should Alpha be scared. If all things are going well with alpha as u say then no need to worry. But, if things are bad with alpha then yes u need to worry.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 11:03
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Stratocruiser you do not need to be wealthy. If you can pay DH 440,000+++ then surely you can also buy your ticket to Singapore.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 15:22
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aakhan & Taras B you are most welcome to come and visit the AAG booth at APATS we are at booth 41.. hope to see you there..

All our sr. management will be attending the event it can be a great opportunity to meet them and get clarity on any issues you have.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 18:57
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Thanks for the information.
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Old 24th Jun 2012, 04:40
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Time...

Gents, (if there are any ladies in here, then my sincere apologies are in order, but given the type of bickering, I should safely assume otherwise)…

This surely is constructive, both ways. AAG as well as the potential cadets are maturing, at least in their knowledge of either side. Let’s keep it professional & ‘INFORM’ each other of both, facts & opinions & let the reader decide what is right or wrong. Honestly speaking if one is an aspiring commercial pilot, then he better have a sense of understanding & responsibility to know the truth from lies.

I do however encourage voicing of matters in the right forum. Therefore, I do second the opinion of voicing concerns (IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER) at the APATS. This will surely work to the benefit of the righteous party. If the so called wronged cadets are indeed right, then I am sure that AAG will respond positively & professionally & if they are not, then AAG clears its name once and for all. There should be no bullying, coercing or lies.

The only way to settle this dust, is by blowing it away.
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Old 24th Jun 2012, 04:54
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A question for the AAG management

Is IATA being given accurate and truthful information regarding the Sharjah and Clark Aviation performances?


For all those that have been fighting for fairness

To help understand the question, this is the "IATA Training and Qualification Initiative (ITQI)" report and where you can find the information given to IATA in respect of those two training centres. Find the report that IATA has for the APATS in Singapore here:

http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/aircraf...ter%202012.pdf

To better see what I'm talking about, right click on any page and "Save as" to your computer.

Open the PDF file and go to page 12, Fig. 7 "IATA Global MPL Tracker".

Zoom to 600% (on my computer) and analyse the data for ALPHA AVIATION / CLARK and SHARJAH.

Since IATA officials would not suck up the numbers from their thumbs, the logical conclusion is that AAG was the entity providing the data.


Do the numbers in the report agree with what the REALITY is and has been at both training centres?

If they are not REAL numbers, doesn't this mean that an international organization such as IATA has been lied to and provided with false data?

Since IATA works closely with ICAO, and both rely on truthful information from the FTOs that provide MPL training, doesn't this constitute a crime of false information and abuse of trust?


I'm sure that the IATA and ICAO representations in APATS would appreciate some personal presentation from those who have been fleeced by the continuing scam.


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Old 24th Jun 2012, 06:30
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Thanks Risk and Traveller 93 for your support and information. Needful will be done. Truth cant be hidden for long.
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Old 24th Jun 2012, 11:15
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I'm sure that the IATA and ICAO representations in APATS would appreciate some personal presentation from those who have been fleeced by the continuing scam.
AAG management has met with Capt Deiter Harms and explained the errors made in the past and submitted a recovery plan to GCAA & CAAP the 2 regulators who manage the AAG MPL.

For those who dont know who Capt Deiter Harms is pls start your research on MPL from scratch.

See you all at APATS looking forward.
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