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Old 5th Jul 2012, 19:05
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It will be interesting if after your screening at Emirates & Alpha, you write back to us here... compare and contrast the two experiences and your overall impressions.

Sometimes its difficult to make a choice when you don't have all the critical facts. PPRuNe helps with this. You are doing a great job so far doing the research and asking the right questions.

Be sure to ask the real, total costs from beginning to end including the 1500 hours + the MPL, and ask for training dates, e.g., what month/year will you start your line training... and what if there are significant delays? Ask Emirates if they would hire you if you had an MPL + 750 to 1500 hours of line training... as a back-up plan if Air Arabia does not hire you. (Note carefully Emirates' reaction to this question.) Check also about the specifics of the 'guaranteed' 1500 hours... earlier in this thread, more specific details emerged about this:

After successful completion of the MPL and an Air Arabia interview someone will only then be offered a line training contract. All who have successfully completed the MPL to date have been accepted for line training, but there is no guarantee of this in writing for anyone. The present contract is NOT a 1st Officer contract - what rubbish. It is a 750 hour written temporary contract with a verbal promise that all will get at least 1,500 hours. So at 750 hours AA will either extend for another 750 hours or offer a 1st Officer contract - it all depends on AAs manning requirements and perfomance during the first 750 hours. So your assertion that we will get an open ended permanent 1st Officer contract straight away from AA is plain wrong. AA is probably rightly assessing competence and will only wish to retain who it wishes to retain.
Whatever you are told by anyone regarding a training arrangement, has to be in writing. Well-organized, reputable companies will have no issues in doing this for you.

Good luck!

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 10:34
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Thank you (Taras B) for your advice.
I will for sure ask them these questions to see what they're gonna say.

cheers,
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 02:23
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To anyone considering the MPL route, which I think is the most up-to-date pilot training method nowadays, I strongly recommend that the ICAO rules guidelines be followed.

1 - Get a sponsoring airline, even if you pay for the course, that will provide the base training, up to 12 take-offs and landings, and will guarantee, at least, the line training upon successful MPL training. 1500 hours needed to unfreeze the ATPL.

2 - Go to the MPL training school chosen by the sponsoring airline. They know which ones are reputable and provide the best professional training.

3 - If there is still a will to enroll into an MPL course run by any FTO that doesn't put in writing a guarantee that the cadet will finish with a sure job, or with a viable pilot's licence, then don't come to PPRuNe to complain.

Nobody can say that the dramas described over the years here are not true. And the dramas continue to unfold only because some people think they can get away with it.

They can't!!!!
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 04:30
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AAG management has met with Capt Deiter Harms and explained the errors made in the past and submitted a recovery plan to GCAA & CAAP the 2 regulators who manage the AAG MPL.
If Alpha authorities have accepted their errors should they not be decent enough to compensate the cadets for the damage done or should they be allowed to pocket away the hard earned money of the cadets with a simple plan of recovery. Must say it is a smart move by Alpha. But we will not let Alpha get away.
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Old 9th Jul 2012, 00:20
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AWOL

Stratocruiser has been absent from this thread since the 27th June.

Very unusual for someone who seems to be on the "inside" of AAG and always ready to post "positive" information about the present efforts to solve all the problems.

Come on, stratocruiser, give us a little sign that you are still with us.

Even if you are busy polishing the recovery plan.....
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Old 10th Jul 2012, 08:53
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Stratocruiser has been absent from this thread since the 27th June.

I think I know whats become of the wayward Stratocruiser.

Firstly, about 4 months ago, following the crash of one of their aircraft, I asked Strato how do you fulfill your comittment to 30 cadets who you have taken their fees in good faith, and fit them into the remaining 4 aircraft and deliver a timely training product. Thats right, with all the fluff and grandiose talk of 'preferred airlines, worlds best, global organisation.'

Its a backyard mom and pop operation in any persons language. 4 aircraft, WTF!! The nearest estimate I can make is that a 12 month CPLIR at AAG will take between 2 years and 2 1/2 years.

Secondly, they claim to have purchased an A320 simulator. Just so happens that one of the AAG Directors is the Singapore agent for CAE so nice commission, but are installing it within 1 kilometre of the massive CAE/CUBE PACIFIC sim centre at Clark, Pampanga - with no substantive airline as an anchor partner!!!!

Thirdly, go visit the AAG website. Could be wrong but cannot find a single name of anyone. No board, no directors, no management, no sales, no nothing. Lift up the photos of the smiley happy people, look behind the lovely words, theres nobody at home. Its a shell company with 4 old Cessna aircraft total in all the world.

So where can stratocruiser be found? Someone sent him a calculator and he is busy dividing 4 into 30 but cant find the answer that lines up with the rhetoric.
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Old 12th Jul 2012, 12:12
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Hey guys,

I have passed both assessments, yesterday with Emirates College and today with Alpha Academy in sharia. I'm still cannot determine which one to go with. The good thing about Alpha that it guarantees the 1500 hours with Air Arabia after successfully completing the MPL course and also it will be written in the contract ( I've seen the contract). On the other hand, Emirates College provides an excellent pilot training programme ( the theory part in Dubai for 8 months + the practical part in Portugal for another 8 months) for the JAA (CPL & ATPL frozen). However, the flying hours will be just 220 hours (single and multi engine). both programmes last for 18 months and adding to Alpha the 1500 hours in A320 which would take about 1,5 to 2 years.

I've got a tour in both colleges and both have good atmosphere,,,

I would strongly appreciate it if you give me your advice and comments.

Thanx

Majed
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Old 13th Jul 2012, 03:38
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@ Majed85

Hi Majed85, PM me...if in UAE, we can call or meet up (Away from AAG & Emirates), you have to understand MPL & CPL CLEARLY AND the Financial Obligations/commitments with AAG/ABY or EK College...as I know people on both sides
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Old 13th Jul 2012, 07:38
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Malirm aim of the meeting is only to lure you into the alpha academy. I too encourage you to join emirates. Just take some time to go through this thread as it speaks volumes of the plight of many cadets who trusted Alpha with their hard earned money. I can assure you there is no refund policy in place.
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Old 13th Jul 2012, 10:50
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@ Aakhan

Aakhan...Then ask him to meet you man & share your experiences, this thread is becoming too personal to some people over here (from both sides) it is not anymore about recovery Plans or even refund, Majed85 & OTHERS would like to know more about what is the best path for them...I would like to hear directly from him what AAG said & who said it & about what EK College said & who said it...I am an X Emirates Aviation College Graduate & X Employee AND Obviously X-AAG graduate & a current ABY Employee...

If you ask WHY I do that (my last post)...well, because I was in his place once & there are somethings that I should have clarified before going to MPL (nothing to regret though), I want to make sure that he knows where he is heading, MPL or CPL is not anymore a wonderland/wild life experience...it has become more arranged & planned AND Predictable...but, you need to understand the differences, obligations & Privileges of each

So please, "LURING" is not my type, although you think that & you still belief that I lured you into AAG, trust me, you'll be lying to yourself before even lying to me about that "Luring" story of yours...as far as I know, you are a well educated person & I like that in you

OK, back to Professionalism...At the end of the day, keep in mind that you don't want to be accused of "LURING" him or anybody into Emirates Aviation College my freind
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Old 13th Jul 2012, 20:43
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Malirm
Must say your explaination is quite impressive. You have adopted a new role of a Godfather to prospective cadets. Well done.
Will you also be kind enough to explain the cadets the high ratio of entrenchments in Alpha because Alpha offers place to cadets inspite of low compass scores. Will you be right behind them if God forbid they are entrenched, helping them with their refund just as Stratocruiser 377 has mentioned. It is a huge resposibility if you play a role in a cadets enrollment be with him till the end just dont abandon after his enrollment.
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Old 13th Jul 2012, 20:59
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@ Aakhan

Wilco

I won't abandon anybody who needs help, even you

Keep inmind that I am NOT recommending anything...I am clearly talking about the possible options & if clearly he knows what are the Differences, Commitments, Obligations & Privileges of each Path...keep inmind he might end up somewhere out of UAE

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Old 14th Jul 2012, 00:54
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well done marlim... give them the facts and let the student decide.

Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL) | Alpha Aviation Group
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Old 15th Jul 2012, 13:35
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Thumbs up

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

AAG Philippines the new A320 sim has arrived an being installed.. ready for training by Sept. The sim will be EASA approved along with CAAP.
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Old 16th Jul 2012, 04:21
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To Majed85 and other prospective cadets

Majority of you who wish to become pilots must be doing so on your parents/guardians’ account, the remaining few, on their own. Either way, it is money and a hell of a lot of it too, which I am sure is earned through hard work and difficulties. Therefore, my two cents of advice is to EVALUATE ALL OPTIONS, before committing.

Please do not get me wrong, I am not siding with any school or establishment. I am merely stating that chose the one that has the best benefits for you. How do you do that, you will ask…

Firstly, think about where you intend to fly for a long time…
How much of a risk do you intend to take…
Do you like flexibility of choice or do you have the perseverance of achieving a single goal…
Do you like to have backup plans or are you a Kamikaze…

In simple terms…

(AA – Alpha Aviation)
(EA – Emirates Aviation)

AA – You will be in some way or other bonded to them till 1500 hours
EA – No bonding

AA – Till you reach 1500 hours, to a good extent you are at their mercy
EA – At about 220+ hours, you are free

AA – Like stated above, you are kind of bonded to them till you complete 1500 hours, which if things go pear shaped could be a long time
EA – After 220+ hours, you are free to work anywhere in the world (with conversion of course)

AA – You have no backup, and might end up like TarasB etc etc..
EK – You can convert to any country where you find a job

AA – You will get into a modern airliner with the fastest route
EA – It might take you time before you find a job

AA – If things go well, like it has for many, you can be a type rated ATPL holder without LOOKING for a job, like Marlim (soon) etc etc…
EA – If things don’t go well, you will end up looking for jobs for a very long time to come

So basically it is really up to you… you even have options like studying in the US/Canada/Australia etc etc, which might work out cheaper and where you could POSSIBLY then apply for immigration and get citizenship, which by the way helps a lot in LIFE (unfortunately it is the truth about the so called racism free world).

There is good and bad to everything and it is your luck first, then your luck and then your luck (repeat a 1000 times), then your hard work and finally perseverance.

Choose wisely, because once you do it is very difficult to go back, unless of course your parents are super rich.

All in all, if I were to advice you what to do, I would say whatever you do, ignore EVERY verbal promise and get EVERYTHING you can in writing on a contract with EVERY page signed by both parties. You will be surprised to know how situations change, businesses ADJUST, promises BREAK etc etc etc. Therefore, get it in a signed contract so you have something to take to court/authorities/etc if things didn’t go well. BY THE WAY THAT DOES NOT IMPLY THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORK HARD TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU WANT!

Oh and one more thing, the contract you see from either party, MUST BE VERIFIED FOR LEGALITY AND LEGAL TERMS BY A LAW FIRM. You will be surprised to know that MAJOR ORGANISATIONS also have changed terms of their contract AFTER signing them and they get out of indemnity because they had cleverly worded their contracts, which the normal John/Jane like you and me do not understand. If you are not comfortable with some wordings, ask a law firm to contact them to have it amended. If you can pay 600k+ then pay 5k-10k additional for the service of a law firm.

I hope this helps not only you but also any prospective cadet.

Once again, I state that I am NOT siding with or against any organization out there. I am merely telling you how to go about things, in life that too.
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Old 16th Jul 2012, 04:39
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risk.. nicely done..

look at the number of A320's & A320NEO on order world wide..... an ATPL from GCAA and 1500hrs on A320 will be a real winning position.

who will an airline choose a guy with 1500hrs on A320 flown with a successful low cost airline or a guy with 200 hrs from EK flt school.

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Old 16th Jul 2012, 21:55
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Hi guys!

I was looking to the MPL scheme at Alpha aviation academy in partnership with Air Arabia. I have few questions for you, How good is training with AAA? Is it sure that after successfull completion of training you will reach 1,500 hours on A320? How much will Air Arabia start paying you?

Thanks guys!
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Old 17th Jul 2012, 00:46
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150896510741106


Air Arabia named world’s 2nd best performing airline - Khaleej Times

for info on salary and gurantee of 1500hrs on A320 with ABY, pls contact Carsten Borgen <[email protected]> thks

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Old 17th Jul 2012, 03:53
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Just because Air Arabia is the 2nd best performing airline does not meant that Alpha Aviation is any good.
TARAS B. You talk so much rubbish it is unbelievable. IRS, FBI etc. What planet are you from man? Anyway, your credibility is shot to pieces. I'm sure that AAG Managers sleep very well at night knowing that they have always done the right thing by their students (at huge expense to AAG),
Strato you are the one who is full of lies here.

AAG does not want to spend money. While I was studying at ground school EVERY instructor complained the same thing. They all felt that AAG never spent money on their students and when they had to they would find the cheapest option.

Now please do not call ME a liar. I am a current student of AAG so i have the correct info.

Anyone reading this AAG is not the place to go. I made that mistake. U should not!
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Old 17th Jul 2012, 04:52
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Anyone reading this AAG is not the place to go. I made that mistake. U should not!
wonder if you will say the same in a few weeks when you are successful FO with ABY flying your 1500 on A320...

if you have had a bad experience then pls write to the management.
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