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Actually BYMONEK, I believe that 'some' DEC's are being offered (and accepting) Dhs38,000 SALARY. Apparently they won't come for less. As i said before, ask TCAS what his mates are joining on...
Remember; there's no smoke without fire! Reminds me, i'm about due for a p*ss!
Remember; there's no smoke without fire! Reminds me, i'm about due for a p*ss!
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I have no personal ill feelings against a guy that wants to join as a DEC, especially for 38,000 Dhs per month!
But you won't find me in the same flightdeck as him. I have a feeling I'll be sick on the day I'm rostered with a DEC! I hope that my "sickness" is very contagious!
But you won't find me in the same flightdeck as him. I have a feeling I'll be sick on the day I'm rostered with a DEC! I hope that my "sickness" is very contagious!
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As long as we lie down and take it they are joing to keep dishing this sh1t out, if something is going to be done it need ALL of us to take action not just a few individuals willing to stick their necks out.
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AHHHHHH CHEWWWWWWWW, oh if feel a bad cold coming on!!!!!!!!!
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Well, like I said, until I see it in writing or fly with a guy who shows me a salary slip with the facts, it will remain a rumour.Regardless of how much momentum it's gaining!
Just hope I don't end up with egg on my face with this one.
Just hope I don't end up with egg on my face with this one.
Heard a type rated TRE from a high paying job, with its a and b scale in the correct order, was offered 50,000dhs, otherwise he wasnt coming.
He was also told to sign a confidentiality agrrement with his contract if he accepted.
Hes going on the freighter and home instead.
Says u guys need a union..............
He was also told to sign a confidentiality agrrement with his contract if he accepted.
Hes going on the freighter and home instead.
Says u guys need a union..............
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The company has posted what I would term as an unequivocal denial of this rumour on the portal. Should the rumour turn out to be true, it would be the straw that breaks my camels back. If anyone has any proof of the rumour, I would be most interested in seeing it.
Like Gillegan says, where is the actual written evidence for all this. If anyones "mates" have this offer written down, surely they can fax a copy to them. Otherwise this will only be rumour and nothing else. It was denied on the portal, and if in the end it does turn out to be true, then people will leave in large numbers, fact.
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Management - Honest Answers Please!!
There is now a rumour going round that there were a few DECs offered higher starting slaries, they have now been called by recruitment to say that the starting basic will be as the website states. The rumour buster announcement is therefore not incorrect and also makes the statements made by senior managers (that the DECs are starting on a Captain's year 1 basic salary) also technically correct.
But the DECs are still coming, which says, at least to me, that they were offered something else as well in addition to the original starting basic offered, otherwise why would they come? A 'confidentiality clause' is also rumoured to have been signed by the DECs.
Regardless of the real truth, questions need to be asked and answered honestly. Has anyone actually been to see TCAS and asked about this directly?
But the DECs are still coming, which says, at least to me, that they were offered something else as well in addition to the original starting basic offered, otherwise why would they come? A 'confidentiality clause' is also rumoured to have been signed by the DECs.
Regardless of the real truth, questions need to be asked and answered honestly. Has anyone actually been to see TCAS and asked about this directly?
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The fact that it was LL who responded to the rumour on the portal means a lot to me. I have always found LL to be a man of integrity (the one person around here whose word you could take to the bank) and would be disappointed in the extreme if this rumour turns out to be true. He is certainly not the kind of guy to parse words for a "technically correct statement". It is probably an apt commentary on the credibility of our management that despite the denials, many believe the rumour to be true.
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Gillegan,
I don't know about LL answering the question. Don't get me wrong, I'll never doubt the integrity of LL, and like many posted in the last few weeks, he will be missed. (If you are reading this, thanks for your good work LL!!)
I have this weird feeling that management uses LL's reputaion as their own to cool down things. By the time the first of these DECWEC's (Direct Entry Captain With Extra Ca$h) arrive, and prove will be there in form of payslips or contracts or whatever.. LL will be going or has been gone.
I see our beloved management capable of using and destroying the excellent reputation of one of their colleagues to put out a fire (for now..)
Going back 2 years.. I can't remember exactly, but I thought that the DEC's we took in about 2 years ago were not on a year one captains salary, but on step 16 or something?? Can someone confirm at what salary those DEC's started? If I'm right about this, then LL's answer makes no sense at all, there was no other info posted on the website back then...
For some reason I just don't trust these guys in management anymore.. I wonder why exactly????
I don't know about LL answering the question. Don't get me wrong, I'll never doubt the integrity of LL, and like many posted in the last few weeks, he will be missed. (If you are reading this, thanks for your good work LL!!)
I have this weird feeling that management uses LL's reputaion as their own to cool down things. By the time the first of these DECWEC's (Direct Entry Captain With Extra Ca$h) arrive, and prove will be there in form of payslips or contracts or whatever.. LL will be going or has been gone.
I see our beloved management capable of using and destroying the excellent reputation of one of their colleagues to put out a fire (for now..)
Going back 2 years.. I can't remember exactly, but I thought that the DEC's we took in about 2 years ago were not on a year one captains salary, but on step 16 or something?? Can someone confirm at what salary those DEC's started? If I'm right about this, then LL's answer makes no sense at all, there was no other info posted on the website back then...
For some reason I just don't trust these guys in management anymore.. I wonder why exactly????
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got a mate coming out for a DEC interview
We understand that 45 pilots have resigned since the beginning of this year, is that true?
This rumour was also busted by the buster. Only 18, they said BUT........ pprune says it's true so it MUST be true.
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Clearly more is going on here than is visible. I doubt that LL has all the facts. AS is merely a puppet for a management team who are only interested in the balance sheet at the end of the month and will look no further ahead than that.
A management team who believe that they can treat a large group of professional people as casual labour.
Who are now finding that the only people available on the pilot market are BA retirees and US crews. The rest of the aviation world now experiencing a mild boom and not interested in joining an outfit with a reputation and record of poor employee management.
Had they not introduced policies that have led to dissatisfaction and unprecedented resignations they would be less likely to be in the position of having to offer exaggerated salaries to Brits already on fat pensions and to Americans who would otherwise avoid this area.
Short term savings have led to long term costs.
Reinstatement of the previous credit system, a realistic pay rise and a fair and consistent upgrade policy might put this airline back where it was before.
Nothing less will.
A management team who believe that they can treat a large group of professional people as casual labour.
Who are now finding that the only people available on the pilot market are BA retirees and US crews. The rest of the aviation world now experiencing a mild boom and not interested in joining an outfit with a reputation and record of poor employee management.
Had they not introduced policies that have led to dissatisfaction and unprecedented resignations they would be less likely to be in the position of having to offer exaggerated salaries to Brits already on fat pensions and to Americans who would otherwise avoid this area.
Short term savings have led to long term costs.
Reinstatement of the previous credit system, a realistic pay rise and a fair and consistent upgrade policy might put this airline back where it was before.
Nothing less will.
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DEC pay
DEC's who joined 2 years ago earned more than a Year 1 Captain upgraded from the RHS.
I thought this was already common knowledge! I'm surprised so many are in the dark on this one. Just ask the DEC's you bump into, there's no big secret.
I think the guy I joined with was straight in on year 3 pay but my memory is fading a bit with all the high altitude night flying. Neither of us had wide body when we joined.
The Engineers are faced with exactly the same problem. New Guys arrive on more money than existing engineers who then train up the new guys to do the job. Just ask around, no need for "I'll only believe it when they beat me over the head with it" attitude. Everyone I've asked has just come out with the figure!
This is a genuine abuse of the existing drivers. I've seen lots of "why are you pissed off?" comments made on these threads and this is THE reason.
Captains feel shafted (not being paid the going rate) and the F/O's are demoralised by hearing all this stuff. What's the point of jumping through all the hoops and proving astronaut ability from the RHS? Should have come as a DEC!
I think it's a bit much to ask to see a bloke's pay slip. I trust them when they say they are on more money.
I'm sorry but the rumour buster is wrong on this one...
JUST ASK THE BLOKE WITH 4 STRIPES AND A NEW STAFF NUMBER!
Simple really.
I thought this was already common knowledge! I'm surprised so many are in the dark on this one. Just ask the DEC's you bump into, there's no big secret.
I think the guy I joined with was straight in on year 3 pay but my memory is fading a bit with all the high altitude night flying. Neither of us had wide body when we joined.
The Engineers are faced with exactly the same problem. New Guys arrive on more money than existing engineers who then train up the new guys to do the job. Just ask around, no need for "I'll only believe it when they beat me over the head with it" attitude. Everyone I've asked has just come out with the figure!
This is a genuine abuse of the existing drivers. I've seen lots of "why are you pissed off?" comments made on these threads and this is THE reason.
Captains feel shafted (not being paid the going rate) and the F/O's are demoralised by hearing all this stuff. What's the point of jumping through all the hoops and proving astronaut ability from the RHS? Should have come as a DEC!
I think it's a bit much to ask to see a bloke's pay slip. I trust them when they say they are on more money.
I'm sorry but the rumour buster is wrong on this one...
JUST ASK THE BLOKE WITH 4 STRIPES AND A NEW STAFF NUMBER!
Simple really.
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The BA retirees may not appear in the numbers TCAS wants as european legislation is going to force BA to allow their pilots to work to 60.
The new DEC's will join on more money like they have over the last couple of years its an indirect way EK admit their package is not enough to attract pilots from 1st world airlines. The DEC's also sign a bond for 1 year where as F/O's sign a 3 year bond how is that fair??? not to mention 1st class tickets provided to come for the interview when our first officers are not entitled to first class travel on a subload basis.
Is it any wonder the EK pilots are pissed off?
Any DEC's thinking of joining should realise they are not welcome or needed in Emirates.
The new DEC's will join on more money like they have over the last couple of years its an indirect way EK admit their package is not enough to attract pilots from 1st world airlines. The DEC's also sign a bond for 1 year where as F/O's sign a 3 year bond how is that fair??? not to mention 1st class tickets provided to come for the interview when our first officers are not entitled to first class travel on a subload basis.
Is it any wonder the EK pilots are pissed off?
Any DEC's thinking of joining should realise they are not welcome or needed in Emirates.
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There is plenty of precedent in the company for the confidentiality agreement style of management. Just ask the guys who a few years ago fought and won the right to get their profit share after they were incorrectly excluded from it. They were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement, which they (and only they) did, they then got their profit share.
Its also no big secret that VP's and SVP's etc get a disproportionate share of any so called profit share, this again is completely against what it says on the label of the Sheik's yearly statement.
Any DEC that gets a pumped up contract with a confidentiality agreement, please take it and then publish it (de-identified) on the web, because unless we put a stop to this with evidence, you will be the next person in line for a sh*fting in the future with some kind of underhand shady manipulation of your contract.
Apart from all this, if this is being done, it is completely against UAE law and we can all join together in a class action and take our management to court
Its also no big secret that VP's and SVP's etc get a disproportionate share of any so called profit share, this again is completely against what it says on the label of the Sheik's yearly statement.
Any DEC that gets a pumped up contract with a confidentiality agreement, please take it and then publish it (de-identified) on the web, because unless we put a stop to this with evidence, you will be the next person in line for a sh*fting in the future with some kind of underhand shady manipulation of your contract.
Apart from all this, if this is being done, it is completely against UAE law and we can all join together in a class action and take our management to court
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UAE law.....class action 
- i'm no legal type but are you sure there's any facility for a class action suit in the UAE????? Hey, I'd like to think so but I'm highly doubtful.
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- i'm no legal type but are you sure there's any facility for a class action suit in the UAE????? Hey, I'd like to think so but I'm highly doubtful.4HP