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Nope, your QED is just slightly misplaced once again, millerscourt.
One was rated on the A300-600 (SV had eleven at the time), the other was not, so far as I know.
Fact is, they were looking at quite a few Captains with wide-body heavy jet experience, but not rated at the time.
A small window of opportunity, shortlived I expect, but nonetheless, present.
That you were turned down has no bearing on the matter.
SV did the same, and trained a lot, directly into the respective widebody aircraft, as the fleet needs dictated.
By the way, I never did fly the B707 at SV, joined directly onto the L10.
As a line Captain.
I had the very necessary four engine heavy jet experience, as did many others at the time. Training wasn't bad either, lots of shouting in the sim, but most (but certainly not all) got through.
I can't help but think that EK might well have been served with the very same idea.
Less bitching and moaning might well have resulted, with a BIG training bond to go along with the program.
In doing so, many of the 'problems' that EK faces now could well have been avoided.
More pay would have helped as well, as it was just slightly low.
I wonder if wide-body training was offered to the B727 guys at the time?
One was rated on the A300-600 (SV had eleven at the time), the other was not, so far as I know.
Fact is, they were looking at quite a few Captains with wide-body heavy jet experience, but not rated at the time.
A small window of opportunity, shortlived I expect, but nonetheless, present.
That you were turned down has no bearing on the matter.
SV did the same, and trained a lot, directly into the respective widebody aircraft, as the fleet needs dictated.
By the way, I never did fly the B707 at SV, joined directly onto the L10.
As a line Captain.
I had the very necessary four engine heavy jet experience, as did many others at the time. Training wasn't bad either, lots of shouting in the sim, but most (but certainly not all) got through.
I can't help but think that EK might well have been served with the very same idea.
Less bitching and moaning might well have resulted, with a BIG training bond to go along with the program.
In doing so, many of the 'problems' that EK faces now could well have been avoided.
More pay would have helped as well, as it was just slightly low.
I wonder if wide-body training was offered to the B727 guys at the time?
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Who cares what you flew Mr. 411A.....
The fact is, you've been busted bullshiitting on this forum. I admire your efforts to deny the truth but eventually even you will be overwhelmed. Why not bow out gracefully?
By the way, I really enjoy your not-so-subtle jibes and attempts to remain relevant in this modern era. I would be very disappointed if you were to disappear forever.
Your ramblings provide a visible backdrop against which to value the input of rational posts made herein.
The fact is, you've been busted bullshiitting on this forum. I admire your efforts to deny the truth but eventually even you will be overwhelmed. Why not bow out gracefully?
By the way, I really enjoy your not-so-subtle jibes and attempts to remain relevant in this modern era. I would be very disappointed if you were to disappear forever.
Your ramblings provide a visible backdrop against which to value the input of rational posts made herein.
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Just to set the record straight. EK did advertise (more than once) for non typre-rated pilots. BUT those hired as DECs were all rated on either the 727 or the A-306/310. Only the FOs were non-rated.
Have to agree with Muttley. 411A is very entertaining, not to mention persistent. I would hate to lose his EK baiting, it works so well
You've been outed old buddy. But, don't worry, people will forget.
Go up to Oak Creek canyon and do some trout fishing for a while. When the weather cools down in AZ you can resume your favourite sport.
Have to agree with Muttley. 411A is very entertaining, not to mention persistent. I would hate to lose his EK baiting, it works so well
You've been outed old buddy. But, don't worry, people will forget.
Go up to Oak Creek canyon and do some trout fishing for a while. When the weather cools down in AZ you can resume your favourite sport.
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See the post above, Muttley, even others agree that the adverts appeared as I described.
Surprised are you?
I never mentioned I was hired, old boy, just received an offer, which I declined.
I'm affraid you have an overactive imagination.
Don't worry, not going away, I just like to remind those at EK now that the mid-east hasn't changed very much...except perhaps for the local prices.
Even the old days at SV weren't bad at all.
You might be surprised to learn that many banked their entire SV monthly salary, and paid their local expenses just from the per-diem.
Combine that with the opportunity to travel anywhere on the system FOC once a month (with the days off guaranteed, according to their schedule) made for quite a good deal.
Surprised are you?
I never mentioned I was hired, old boy, just received an offer, which I declined.
I'm affraid you have an overactive imagination.
Don't worry, not going away, I just like to remind those at EK now that the mid-east hasn't changed very much...except perhaps for the local prices.
Even the old days at SV weren't bad at all.
You might be surprised to learn that many banked their entire SV monthly salary, and paid their local expenses just from the per-diem.
Combine that with the opportunity to travel anywhere on the system FOC once a month (with the days off guaranteed, according to their schedule) made for quite a good deal.
A friend in EK with closer to 4 years than 3 years service with EK , and more than 10k jet hours ,no command , but still , was told we are only recruiting on 777 still many dec's to come sorry.
He was on his way to resign but had hoped for a small glimmer of hope.
He was on his way to resign but had hoped for a small glimmer of hope.
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Surprised are you?
Actually I've lost track of who's said what about working where. I'll side with YOU for the time being, if it makes things a little livelier around here.
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Originally Posted by sec 3
Speaking of DEC's, a freind of mine just got hired at EK,DEC 777. Coming from an A310, not a bad move
On a related subject this quote from The Business Lounge column in Fridays' 7DAYS paper.
"Good companies know their second most important audience is their workforce, abuse them at your peril"
The context being the way that companies conduct business in Dubai. The article was slanted towards listing large local companies that tend towards following this advice. It was a list of one and the name was not Emirates.
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Theidler, didn't mean to slag the f/o's at EK. I read alot about their plight here and wonder why EK does what it does to f/o's. Saving money? Experience level? Lack of f/o's to fill the void created by upgrades? Not enough sim time available or instructors to instruct?Being on the Airbus or Boeing fleet, cross-training costs?
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Apparently over the last three years Emirates has discovered that it is quicker and cheaper to recruit and train a DEC than to upgrade a First Officer and then recruit and train his replacement.
It seems that they are employing as many DEC's as they can and Emirates First Officers will only be upgraded to cover any shortfall in DEC's.
I'm told that Emirates has a history of being reactive to crew shortfalls partly because they don't factor in wastage such as resignations into their forecasts.
It maybe that the accountants encourage this as the total flight crew salary bill is reflected in the minimal numbers of flight crew doing the job. Just as long as the flights still go.
With a lot of crew operating at the 900 hr/annum level the 'talking horse' is reported to have said that the GCAA are being lobbied (frantically?) to raise this limit.
Undoubtedly a breeding ground for discontent and variable standards.
It seems that they are employing as many DEC's as they can and Emirates First Officers will only be upgraded to cover any shortfall in DEC's.
I'm told that Emirates has a history of being reactive to crew shortfalls partly because they don't factor in wastage such as resignations into their forecasts.
It maybe that the accountants encourage this as the total flight crew salary bill is reflected in the minimal numbers of flight crew doing the job. Just as long as the flights still go.
With a lot of crew operating at the 900 hr/annum level the 'talking horse' is reported to have said that the GCAA are being lobbied (frantically?) to raise this limit.
Undoubtedly a breeding ground for discontent and variable standards.
As with all airlines it depends on experience.....and ability
Dont join a Emirates expecting an upgrade within a certain time period as it will change..
Try the SEARCH function????
Very nasty 145 - chill bro - you got something against the Yanks? 4HP
Dont join a Emirates expecting an upgrade within a certain time period as it will change..
Try the SEARCH function????
Very nasty 145 - chill bro - you got something against the Yanks? 4HP
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typical...
typical upsguy? - yes; you too; no punctuation & you post a question without identifying the airline you're on about, expecting the rest of us to know which one of the Middle East airlines you're referring to. Typical.
Group hug please; there's too much aggro around at the mo - take it easy folks. 4HP
typical upsguy? - yes; you too; no punctuation & you post a question without identifying the airline you're on about, expecting the rest of us to know which one of the Middle East airlines you're referring to. Typical.
Group hug please; there's too much aggro around at the mo - take it easy folks. 4HP
It depends. Min time is 3yrs if you have 6000hrs. It can be reduced to 18months if you have 8000hrs and 2000hrs command on something with jet motors that weighs in at more than 55000kg.
At the moment EK have somewhere between 1550 to 1600 pilots. So somewhere between 700 to 800 FOs who will have to upgrade before you. The papers say EK have around 90 to 95 aeroplanes now, and I have seen estimates of between 130 to 150 aircraft by 2012. We crew at between 6 to 10 crews to aeroplane (10 to those that fly a long way with multi crew on board, 6 for the others). So taking that we have 90 aircraft now, and lets say the upper figure of 150 by 2012, that 60 new aircraft, to make it easy lets say 10 crew per aeroplane, thats 600 new captains. Some of these are going to be DECs as EK are still hiring them, and will continue to do so.
EK has a lot of aircraft on order. Some are to expand the fleet, some are to replace the 772s, 332, 343.
It must also be noted that I will have no idea what next months roster will be like till the very end of this month, so all guesses taken about what will happen in the future are just purely guesses.
Don
At the moment EK have somewhere between 1550 to 1600 pilots. So somewhere between 700 to 800 FOs who will have to upgrade before you. The papers say EK have around 90 to 95 aeroplanes now, and I have seen estimates of between 130 to 150 aircraft by 2012. We crew at between 6 to 10 crews to aeroplane (10 to those that fly a long way with multi crew on board, 6 for the others). So taking that we have 90 aircraft now, and lets say the upper figure of 150 by 2012, that 60 new aircraft, to make it easy lets say 10 crew per aeroplane, thats 600 new captains. Some of these are going to be DECs as EK are still hiring them, and will continue to do so.
EK has a lot of aircraft on order. Some are to expand the fleet, some are to replace the 772s, 332, 343.
It must also be noted that I will have no idea what next months roster will be like till the very end of this month, so all guesses taken about what will happen in the future are just purely guesses.
Don
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Hey 4hp,
In the original post there is bold print at the top that says" current upgrade time-EK". Where did that come from? Was it typed by upsguy to start the thread? And if it was in fact typed by upsguy, did he not then indentify the airline to which he was refering? These boys in Dubitown need their wives to return pronto. The summer doldrums are getting dangerous.
I see that 145qrh has taken the opportunity to bash the "yanks". I wonder which far superior place he hails from. Obviously his kind has added great advances to mankind, probably invented aviation, definately invented sarcasim, and are far superior in their knowledge of world geography. Of course those of us who ALSO think we know a little bit about geography think that a "yank" is someone from the north! But maybe that would fall into the area of "local knowledge". Tell us 145qrs which far superior place do you come from?
And upsguy, don's information is spot on.
Love to all,
330 man
In the original post there is bold print at the top that says" current upgrade time-EK". Where did that come from? Was it typed by upsguy to start the thread? And if it was in fact typed by upsguy, did he not then indentify the airline to which he was refering? These boys in Dubitown need their wives to return pronto. The summer doldrums are getting dangerous.
I see that 145qrh has taken the opportunity to bash the "yanks". I wonder which far superior place he hails from. Obviously his kind has added great advances to mankind, probably invented aviation, definately invented sarcasim, and are far superior in their knowledge of world geography. Of course those of us who ALSO think we know a little bit about geography think that a "yank" is someone from the north! But maybe that would fall into the area of "local knowledge". Tell us 145qrs which far superior place do you come from?
And upsguy, don's information is spot on.
Love to all,
330 man