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It appears to me that the going rate for a wide body captain is $10,000 a month plus. I understand that 330/340 trainers can expect 13-15k$. So I guess that if EK are not offering DECs around that and as $10k is about 36.5k dirham then they won't get too many takers unless they are offering your rumoured 38k. It sounds about right to me.
With any luck and with the promised pilot shortage we should see more than that becoming the norm. I feel sorry for the guys stuck as FOs at EK and hope that things improve for you. The only way it will change for you is when the leavers start hurting the schedule.
With any luck and with the promised pilot shortage we should see more than that becoming the norm. I feel sorry for the guys stuck as FOs at EK and hope that things improve for you. The only way it will change for you is when the leavers start hurting the schedule.
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Fly747,
I don't care what the rate is elsewhere... If the package at EK is not competitive anymore with other carriers hiring expats, then EK should indeed improver their package, starting with the guys who have been working their asses of for the last years to get EK where it is now. It's an absolute NO to get A,B,... packages depending on when you arrive and in what function you arrive. I don't know any company where a guy with less seniority is being paid more for the same position.
Leavers and no-showers ARE hurting the schedule. Have been called AGAIN today on my day off to crew a flight, but I gently refused to do so. I do feel sorry for the crewing guys who have to call around and beg people to fly on their days off.
AGAIN, I would ask everybody to talk to your colleagues, and try to convince them that the only way to get long term improvements at EK is to refuse any flights on days off, refuse going into discretion (only Captains can do that). I'm even thinking about only going through CBC one hour before STD. If someone blames me, my duty only starts at STD-1. Everything before that is MY time. Although before actualy doing that, I probably need to grow some more cojones.
Anyhow... looking forward to that first copy of a payslip being nicked out of a new DEC's pigeonhole and posted on some walls in CBC... How will TCAS explain that??
MR8
I don't care what the rate is elsewhere... If the package at EK is not competitive anymore with other carriers hiring expats, then EK should indeed improver their package, starting with the guys who have been working their asses of for the last years to get EK where it is now. It's an absolute NO to get A,B,... packages depending on when you arrive and in what function you arrive. I don't know any company where a guy with less seniority is being paid more for the same position.
Leavers and no-showers ARE hurting the schedule. Have been called AGAIN today on my day off to crew a flight, but I gently refused to do so. I do feel sorry for the crewing guys who have to call around and beg people to fly on their days off.
AGAIN, I would ask everybody to talk to your colleagues, and try to convince them that the only way to get long term improvements at EK is to refuse any flights on days off, refuse going into discretion (only Captains can do that). I'm even thinking about only going through CBC one hour before STD. If someone blames me, my duty only starts at STD-1. Everything before that is MY time. Although before actualy doing that, I probably need to grow some more cojones.
Anyhow... looking forward to that first copy of a payslip being nicked out of a new DEC's pigeonhole and posted on some walls in CBC... How will TCAS explain that??
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>>I don't care what the rate is elsewhere... If the package at EK is not competitive anymore with other carriers hiring expats, then EK should indeed improver their package, starting with the guys who have been working their asses of for the last years to get EK where it is now<<
Strange as it seems, MR8, this happens less frequently, and is not likely to change much either.
Those who joined with rose colored glasses firmly in place have only themselves to blame, as many here on these same forums were told so at the time.
Silly boys they were...and still are.
Now, if EK hires DE Captains at much higher salaries, maybe the 'less fortunate' should re-apply.........and promptly be told to go pound sand.
If you sign on the dotted line, and later find yourself in deep doggie do-do, look in the mirror to find the 'not so bright'.
Strange as it seems, MR8, this happens less frequently, and is not likely to change much either.
Those who joined with rose colored glasses firmly in place have only themselves to blame, as many here on these same forums were told so at the time.
Silly boys they were...and still are.
Now, if EK hires DE Captains at much higher salaries, maybe the 'less fortunate' should re-apply.........and promptly be told to go pound sand.
If you sign on the dotted line, and later find yourself in deep doggie do-do, look in the mirror to find the 'not so bright'.
411a. Please f*** **f to your hole from whence you came. 4Hp PLEASE edit as req, but please ban this tw*t.
EGGW.
Who me? You're big enough & ugly enough to take care of him yourself. I should censor your post but I'm having such a giggle at your frustration with this knuckle-head that I'm gonna leave it just like it is. Take it easy; recognize a bait when you see one. 4HP
EGGW.
Who me? You're big enough & ugly enough to take care of him yourself. I should censor your post but I'm having such a giggle at your frustration with this knuckle-head that I'm gonna leave it just like it is. Take it easy; recognize a bait when you see one. 4HP
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Hey gotta respect free speech, not necessarily his views mind you, I don't, it would really suck if new capts were getting hired at a rate more than mine....doesnt happen here ...too bad 411A is timed out, they'd love him over here in the gulf...he's probably hiding behind Papago buttes choking his chicken at the moment
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411 are you still looking for a real job? Why don't you try and get a real job first then pontificate on this site second? All that "classic" time has to land you somewhere. EK would love to have you. You are so wise and old.
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411A claims to have been a SQ B707 Captain 30 years ago and I have no reason to believe this was not so .This would make him at least 65 probably close to 70 so take no notice of what he says on these kind of issues.
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Guys,
Wake up and smell the roses!! We don't and never will have a seniority at Emirates. It was like that when you joined and will be as long as you stay. If you don't like it, then we have to vote with our feet..Reality Check!! Bitching here is not going to solve anything....
Wake up and smell the roses!! We don't and never will have a seniority at Emirates. It was like that when you joined and will be as long as you stay. If you don't like it, then we have to vote with our feet..Reality Check!! Bitching here is not going to solve anything....
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Difficult to post? Not from where I'm sitting.
No probs posting here, but then I use a secondary site to go to PPRuNe on, it hides the 'snail trails' and you can't get fingered by the Web Police in EGHQ. At the end of the day, what can they do? Fire you for being suspicious of management conduct? Christ, we'd all be fired if that were the case!
Going back to the problem, it is one of trust and if TCAS says that the DECs are being paid Dhs27,000, or whatever the starting is these days, then so be it. You can't argue with him.
BUT a snitch in HR has confirmed that somone's been phoning around the DECs that were offerred jobs at a higher amount and confirming 'New Terms.' These 'New Terms' include the reduction of the basic salary back to Dhs27,000 and not that originally offerred. So as has been said before, no one is telling lies, they are just not telling the whole truth.
Going back to the problem, it is one of trust and if TCAS says that the DECs are being paid Dhs27,000, or whatever the starting is these days, then so be it. You can't argue with him.
BUT a snitch in HR has confirmed that somone's been phoning around the DECs that were offerred jobs at a higher amount and confirming 'New Terms.' These 'New Terms' include the reduction of the basic salary back to Dhs27,000 and not that originally offerred. So as has been said before, no one is telling lies, they are just not telling the whole truth.
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Every forum has one, a 411A that is.
Spouting off to no one in particular:
'in my day', 'Boeing 707', 'straight to the left seat', 'jet command at 25', 'told you so' and so on.
90% of it self indulgent bull, 10% making a bit of sense but mostly lost in the rest of it.
Like the village idiot everybody loves him really (except EGGW).
Keep it up Gramps!
Spouting off to no one in particular:
'in my day', 'Boeing 707', 'straight to the left seat', 'jet command at 25', 'told you so' and so on.
90% of it self indulgent bull, 10% making a bit of sense but mostly lost in the rest of it.
Like the village idiot everybody loves him really (except EGGW).
Keep it up Gramps!
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Straight copy paste from EK webite:
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 26,210 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 400
That's 7161 US$.. wonder who will come for that?? But any DEC starting above that would imply that management told us a straight lie on the rumour buster. So the options are...
1. Management did lie to us (again...)
2. Management did not lie and the only people who would even think about coming over are the ones who lack experience and must rely on the F/O for a safe operation, the ones who can go nowhere else because of their (bought) Mickey Mouse licence or the complete nutters...
3. Management did not lie and in order to get some qualified DEC's, the package for the whole pilot community gets increased by 40% to attract people at the going rate of 10000 US$
Gentlemen, place your bets...
MR8
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 26,210 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 400
That's 7161 US$.. wonder who will come for that?? But any DEC starting above that would imply that management told us a straight lie on the rumour buster. So the options are...
1. Management did lie to us (again...)
2. Management did not lie and the only people who would even think about coming over are the ones who lack experience and must rely on the F/O for a safe operation, the ones who can go nowhere else because of their (bought) Mickey Mouse licence or the complete nutters...
3. Management did not lie and in order to get some qualified DEC's, the package for the whole pilot community gets increased by 40% to attract people at the going rate of 10000 US$
Gentlemen, place your bets...
MR8
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NO "B" scale
Think its about time you boys arranged a MASS SICKIE to send your management a CLEAR message!!!!!
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The sums don't add up with anything less than USD 10000 per month plus housing, medical, education etc. The longer I stay here the more I am indirectly taxed ie. inflation resulting in extra costs for shopping, petrol, restaurants etc. I have been here approx 10 years and have received a paltry 10% payrise during this time. Inflation alone has increased over 50%. In addition, putting my family's life at risk everyday on S.Z. rd, increasing pollution due to the building site called Dubai, current sensitive cultural issues, no freedom of speech -what happened to 7days newspaper today???, working conditions (100+ hrs/mth, no leave credit therefore no protection against lifestyle, working on days off/leave, leave that cannot be used due no slots, flight safety & fatigue). The only way I would further inconvenience myself and my family in this place is to see a minimum 20-30% payrise asap (not likely.....). Wow, suddenly DECs coming on USD 10000 + does not sound so cheery afterall. 
What if they do pay them the required salary, but....
They get a different bonus to everyone else each year?
That way they start on starting captains pay, no?
There is more than one way to pay them more than the rest without the rest needing to know about it.
Some animals are more equal than others.
halas
PS 7DAYS never comes out on Saturday. Makes you wonder why it's called that, no? (Been here too long, no?)
They get a different bonus to everyone else each year?
That way they start on starting captains pay, no?
There is more than one way to pay them more than the rest without the rest needing to know about it.
Some animals are more equal than others.
halas
PS 7DAYS never comes out on Saturday. Makes you wonder why it's called that, no? (Been here too long, no?)
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An end of month figure of 38,000 Dhs isn't that much.
All expatriate Captains I know that fly for Asian carriers get quite a bit more than that, after tax or otherwise.
Some of us pay tax, some don't, but in every company a 100 hour month is far, far more than the equivalent of 38,000 Dhs.
Do the Line Captains at EK really get less?
Last thing: don't take 411A's posts so hard. He's retired and bored and lonely and so obviously frustrated he's not a part of the working world. It cuts a swathe through every one of his worsening posts.
But hey, we'll all be old and useless one day.
All expatriate Captains I know that fly for Asian carriers get quite a bit more than that, after tax or otherwise.
Some of us pay tax, some don't, but in every company a 100 hour month is far, far more than the equivalent of 38,000 Dhs.
Do the Line Captains at EK really get less?
Last thing: don't take 411A's posts so hard. He's retired and bored and lonely and so obviously frustrated he's not a part of the working world. It cuts a swathe through every one of his worsening posts.
But hey, we'll all be old and useless one day.