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Well then, perhaps all F/Os should kindly request to be upgraded in line by seniority and not jump the cue in an open act of solidarity with all their mates...
ha ha ha ha ha ha....didn't think so...
ha ha ha ha ha ha....didn't think so...
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Originally Posted by Ramboflyer 1
.....will be 6 months ,as a friend of mine was told at his interview.......
My friend has 7950 tt and 2200 command 737 and was told he would get a 777 command by december 2006 and he starts in about may as 777 F/O.
My friend has 7950 tt and 2200 command 737 and was told he would get a 777 command by december 2006 and he starts in about may as 777 F/O.
As I said earlier in this thread, DO NOT LISTEN TO HR IN REGARDS TO UPGRADE TIME FRAME !!
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EK will lie lie and lie again in order to try and recruit pilots morale is at an all time low most pilots are looking elsewhere for a job in the 1st world.
I would say to anyone thinking of joining talk to anyone who has been in EK more than a year you will soon be put off.
I would say to anyone thinking of joining talk to anyone who has been in EK more than a year you will soon be put off.
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Well then, perhaps all F/Os should kindly request to be upgraded in line by seniority and not jump the cue in an open act of solidarity with all their mates...
David Letterman you do realize that you are talking to pilots don't you? In no other profession is the "I got mine" mentality more prevalent than in ours. Look at all the DECs that are willing to come to Emirates.
David Letterman you do realize that you are talking to pilots don't you? In no other profession is the "I got mine" mentality more prevalent than in ours. Look at all the DECs that are willing to come to Emirates.
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We are not professionals
"In no other profession is the "I got mine" mentality more prevalent than in ours. "
When have we joined the "pilot profession"? That does not exist period. We are white collar workers and you get what you deserve by jumping in front of colleagues for upgrade, working on your days off, taking accelerated command jobs, DEC, whatever is good for you no matter if it is professional or not. This is just how it is. This is a grown up world and you have to adapt. Money talks and bu*****T walks. We all got hurt in this business at one point or and other. You have to be street smart and be sure you are making the right choice of career. Luck is a big factor. Right timing is paramount. Right place right moment. No more. Not smarter, not better. C'mon guys, get serious for once and don't say you are professionals like Doctors, Dentists, and all the "real professionals" that have been approved legally. You have to know where you stand in this new world. Could be better, could be much worst. Anyway...Whatever!
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When have we joined the "pilot profession"? That does not exist period. We are white collar workers and you get what you deserve by jumping in front of colleagues for upgrade, working on your days off, taking accelerated command jobs, DEC, whatever is good for you no matter if it is professional or not. This is just how it is. This is a grown up world and you have to adapt. Money talks and bu*****T walks. We all got hurt in this business at one point or and other. You have to be street smart and be sure you are making the right choice of career. Luck is a big factor. Right timing is paramount. Right place right moment. No more. Not smarter, not better. C'mon guys, get serious for once and don't say you are professionals like Doctors, Dentists, and all the "real professionals" that have been approved legally. You have to know where you stand in this new world. Could be better, could be much worst. Anyway...Whatever!
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Oh please....
Are you telling me that no-one else in any other field is as cut throat as we are? Having witnessed some corporate reshuffles in an e-company, I can promise you that there is a significant amount of back-stabbing and get-me-some going on there too. We are not unique. Everyone has some sort of personal priority list, and you will find that doing what you can for your family is usually quite high up there.
Are you honestly saying that you would turn down a position out of seniority if it benefitted you and your family?
This is particularly true of the expat, but that should be no surprise. Very few leave their home country to benefit their work mates. They leave for a reason.......extra money, quick promotion etc etc.
Are you honestly saying that you would turn down a position out of seniority if it benefitted you and your family?
This is particularly true of the expat, but that should be no surprise. Very few leave their home country to benefit their work mates. They leave for a reason.......extra money, quick promotion etc etc.
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On the latest newsletter found in the mailbox,I've found a very interesting quote from C P:
...In all cases,the Fleet is :actively reviewing potential F/O and they will always remain a top priority for U/G over DECs....
Any comment to this?
...In all cases,the Fleet is :actively reviewing potential F/O and they will always remain a top priority for U/G over DECs....
Any comment to this?
Yeah right, and in the same breadth, 108 DEC's. Boll*x, i think you were looking for 145qrh. 
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I work for a major airline, as a FO, and we current operate eight 777. From what I heard, at least 22 captains are going to dxb for the interview with EK. And some others have filled the online application already...
I just can't believe that emirates FOs have to put up with this in silence. You guys should do something...
Mfan.
I just can't believe that emirates FOs have to put up with this in silence. You guys should do something...
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i said it before: beam some airbus skippers to the 777, as it was planned earlier. they'd complete conversion much quicker than dec's, filling the gaps to the company's needs on time. their gap can be filled easily with upgrades, the airbus sim's not so busy as no a/c arrive and qualified f/o's are in abundance. their consequential gaps can be filled with new f/o's, they're easier to recruit on the market than dec's of the quality we need.
don't believe the **** management tells us: this solution is more viable, quicker and cheaper in the end, any second grade student can come up with the math's. if they don't want to do it, there must be a reason. i suspect incompetence by short sighted beancounters of known origin.ttn
don't believe the **** management tells us: this solution is more viable, quicker and cheaper in the end, any second grade student can come up with the math's. if they don't want to do it, there must be a reason. i suspect incompetence by short sighted beancounters of known origin.ttn
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Murrenfan What would you have these EK F/O's do?
Working for a major airline you are protected by Unions and Labour Rules of Seniority etc whereas once you leave the protected shores of UK Euroland,Oz etc you have no rights. The only thing that Pilots in expat airlines can do is to vote with their feet which is easier said than done for the majority who have burnt their bridges when leaving their old jobs and would have to start at the bottom of a seniority list back home in most cases.
I have voted with my feet several times over the years but as a Captain it is far easier until you reach a certain age!!
Working for a major airline you are protected by Unions and Labour Rules of Seniority etc whereas once you leave the protected shores of UK Euroland,Oz etc you have no rights. The only thing that Pilots in expat airlines can do is to vote with their feet which is easier said than done for the majority who have burnt their bridges when leaving their old jobs and would have to start at the bottom of a seniority list back home in most cases.
I have voted with my feet several times over the years but as a Captain it is far easier until you reach a certain age!!
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You're right, but as far as I understand there must be a channel of conversation with your management where ideas should come up. Turtleneck gave you guys an excellent solution. Why not to bring this up to management? Mfan
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Murrenfan,
You're obviously a Delta pilot, I'm furloughed from another major carrier there, and there are about 20 other of us Americans here as well.
It may seem hard to believe, but there is no two way comunication here what-so-ever between the management and the pilot group. The management holds a meeting once a year which is basically a policy cram-down, and if you don't like it leave type of inuendo.
Think about it, it's a airline managers dream here, no pesky unions to worry about representing the pilot group. They change policies here at-will always to the further detrament of the pilot group.
Those 22 Delta Captains that you say are coming here had better check with a couple of line pilots here to get the whole story before commiting. Don't get me wrong, it would be great to have more Americans to fly with here, but it would be best if they came knowing the full story.
A couple questions they might want to ask a line pilot, but not necessarily ask at the interview.
1. How did the company handle the pilots involved in the Jo-berg incident?
2. Since the memo came out a few months back that overhauled our pay sceme from a credit based one, to pay for only scheduled block hours flown, has that rendered any of your vacation time worthless?
3. Do I have the opportunity to move if I don't like my issued villa?
4. What is the companies policy on Captains discression for extending duty time? Can you already go into discression before blocking out at home base?
5. What's the corporate culture like with DEC's coming in here at a higher pay rate than the actual instructor pilots that are training them, and what will it be like relying on the FO to help me get into all these god-forsaken places when he's knowing full well that your taking his paycheck?
If the guys are all okay with the answers to these questions, then welcome, can't wait to fly with y'all!
You're obviously a Delta pilot, I'm furloughed from another major carrier there, and there are about 20 other of us Americans here as well.
It may seem hard to believe, but there is no two way comunication here what-so-ever between the management and the pilot group. The management holds a meeting once a year which is basically a policy cram-down, and if you don't like it leave type of inuendo.
Think about it, it's a airline managers dream here, no pesky unions to worry about representing the pilot group. They change policies here at-will always to the further detrament of the pilot group.
Those 22 Delta Captains that you say are coming here had better check with a couple of line pilots here to get the whole story before commiting. Don't get me wrong, it would be great to have more Americans to fly with here, but it would be best if they came knowing the full story.
A couple questions they might want to ask a line pilot, but not necessarily ask at the interview.
1. How did the company handle the pilots involved in the Jo-berg incident?
2. Since the memo came out a few months back that overhauled our pay sceme from a credit based one, to pay for only scheduled block hours flown, has that rendered any of your vacation time worthless?
3. Do I have the opportunity to move if I don't like my issued villa?
4. What is the companies policy on Captains discression for extending duty time? Can you already go into discression before blocking out at home base?
5. What's the corporate culture like with DEC's coming in here at a higher pay rate than the actual instructor pilots that are training them, and what will it be like relying on the FO to help me get into all these god-forsaken places when he's knowing full well that your taking his paycheck?
If the guys are all okay with the answers to these questions, then welcome, can't wait to fly with y'all!
"what will it be like relying on the FO to help me get into all these god-forsaken places when he's knowing full well that your taking his paycheck?"
Comments like that don't do you any credit!
Comments like that don't do you any credit!
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rosters not out, 6 days left of planned life. average 8 days off.you wount need more days off, as the new york flights are allways full, so no going home anyway. you'll fly with collegues who believe that recent historical events were created by the fbi??? one more question you may want to ask the guys that have allready taken the leap across " how are you treated if you are involved in a difference of opinion on the flight deck"