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"The year 1 basic salary for a Future Pilot Programme first officer is £22,000, with a further £8-£10,000 of flying allowances typically being earned in a full year of flying (please note that these allowances are not guaranteed and are subject to levels and type of flying completed). Remember that as well as pay and allowances, British Airways will pay you back your security bond, tax–free, at the rate of £12,000 per year for the first seven years of your employment as a pilot.".
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Hi All (moderators please be kind!),
I was just wondering If anybody could inform me as to the realisitc pay a short haul FO could earn for BA. I am trying to work out the financial viability for the new scheme as I will have to get a loan to pay for it. Also I would be interested in opinions of current BA pilots towards this program. If anybody wants to PM instead of posting that is also fine.
Thanks for your help.
I was just wondering If anybody could inform me as to the realisitc pay a short haul FO could earn for BA. I am trying to work out the financial viability for the new scheme as I will have to get a loan to pay for it. Also I would be interested in opinions of current BA pilots towards this program. If anybody wants to PM instead of posting that is also fine.
Thanks for your help.
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Looks like the salary scale is the same as SSP, only 12k of it is now tax free. Looking at about £3,000 per month after tax in year 1. The BA scale has 24 levels for FO and CPT, if it is held at 24 levels (years of progression) it looks like the pay racks up quickly.
With courses starting in December you would need the final round selection in November, so this scheme will have to kick off soon to get applicants through the first few phases by then!
With courses starting in December you would need the final round selection in November, so this scheme will have to kick off soon to get applicants through the first few phases by then!
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With courses starting in December you would need the final round selection in November, so this scheme will have to kick off soon to get applicants through the first few phases by then!
5. How long will the selection process take?
The selection process is formed of several stages. Initially all candidates must apply through the British Airways online application system. Applications will then be screened and successful candidates will be invited to attend a selection centre organised by their selected FTO. These selection centres are expected to take place around October/November of 2011 and full details about the location and content of these selection centres will be communicated to invited candidates.
Candidates that are successful through the FTO selection process will be invited to attend the British Airways recruitment centre near London Heathrow Airport for a further one-day selection centre. These are expected to take place around November/December of 2011.
We hope to be able to communicate the outcome of these final selection centres in December 2011. There will be a number of courses for those who are successful through the selection process, with the first course starting in early 2012.
The selection process is formed of several stages. Initially all candidates must apply through the British Airways online application system. Applications will then be screened and successful candidates will be invited to attend a selection centre organised by their selected FTO. These selection centres are expected to take place around October/November of 2011 and full details about the location and content of these selection centres will be communicated to invited candidates.
Candidates that are successful through the FTO selection process will be invited to attend the British Airways recruitment centre near London Heathrow Airport for a further one-day selection centre. These are expected to take place around November/December of 2011.
We hope to be able to communicate the outcome of these final selection centres in December 2011. There will be a number of courses for those who are successful through the selection process, with the first course starting in early 2012.
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It was all well and good until I read that you will be offered an unconditional offer as first officer IF vacancies are available. If? I mean some of us will be taking out 100K loans for this....
I understand that BA is a company and is of course subject to the ups and downs of the economy, but what if no vacancies turn up for a good year or so after completing the course?
I understand that BA is a company and is of course subject to the ups and downs of the economy, but what if no vacancies turn up for a good year or so after completing the course?
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So as I understand it , if you pass the tests at you're selected FTO you will then be invited to the 1 day assessment with BA, where interviews, team tasks etc... will be held.
Does this mean that the usual interviews, team tasks and the sim test that are part of the standard application (at Oxford for example) will be cut out ? Are we just going to sit the tests and that's it?
Does this mean that the usual interviews, team tasks and the sim test that are part of the standard application (at Oxford for example) will be cut out ? Are we just going to sit the tests and that's it?
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I understood it as you would do the full assessment for the FTO, tests, group exercise and interview etc, then if successful you would then go on to have an interview with BA. Speculation as usual, but that's how I read it. Anyone else have anything firm from BA?
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Well, I was hoping that it would actually depend on ability and everyone had the same chance.
However, from the FAQ that has now been posted it appears that the first stage is not purely achievement of the required qualifications, successful completion of a personality test and essay questions will be required.
Whilst I appreciate that integration into a team is required and this is suited to some personalities more than others, I don't think you can get a good impression of someone and how they would actually fit in without meeting them in person.
Ho hum, I guess that's the way it goes. I can but hope my personality fits.
However, from the FAQ that has now been posted it appears that the first stage is not purely achievement of the required qualifications, successful completion of a personality test and essay questions will be required.
Whilst I appreciate that integration into a team is required and this is suited to some personalities more than others, I don't think you can get a good impression of someone and how they would actually fit in without meeting them in person.
Ho hum, I guess that's the way it goes. I can but hope my personality fits.
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It was all well and good until I read that you will be offered an unconditional offer as first officer IF vacancies are available. If? I mean some of us will be taking out 100K loans for this....
I understand that BA is a company and is of course subject to the ups and downs of the economy, but what if no vacancies turn up for a good year or so after completing the course?
I understand that BA is a company and is of course subject to the ups and downs of the economy, but what if no vacancies turn up for a good year or so after completing the course?
After a year or two of serving tea and coffee they went on to fly.
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Smell the Coffee just beat me to it. Several of my friends from the early 90's worked as CC for a couple of years while waiting for a right hand seat.
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All airline jobs involve an application process that includes many facets. You are applying to effectively join British Airways and as all the DEPs for BA know the first stage of application involves answering 4 essay style questions and then, prior to day 1, a candidate has to complete a 300 question personality test. Everyone has the same chance.
Applications for these positions will be in the 1000s so there must be a way to whittle them down to a manageable number for interview. You can get a pretty good impression of an individual from an application form; can they spell?; use basic punctuation?; have they thought about the questions and the answers BA are looking for?; have you checked the work before submitting it?. As a school governor we had 70 applications for 1 teaching post and I was amazed at the number of would-be teachers who apparently couldn't spell. They didn't make the interview shortlist.
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Well, I was hoping that it would actually depend on ability and everyone had the same chance.
Whilst I appreciate that integration into a team is required and this is suited to some personalities more than others, I don't think you can get a good impression of someone and how they would actually fit in without meeting them in person.
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Having read through the numerous pages on this post, i too am concerned that i may not meet the criteria. I do not meet the GCSE/A level requirements. I do hold a degree class 2:2 though! In addition to this I hold a PGCE (teaching certificate) and a Diploma in Edcation - roughly half a masters. Does anyone think that this would be enough to meet the criteria? Also a number of posters have stated that the applications will be vetted by computer, does anyone know if this is actually the case? and if so I wonder if my extra qualifications would be picked up? Any thoughts much appreciated
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I personally think that the education requirements stated are a bit daft! They have clearly thought through the GCSE requirements but, what they ask for at A-level and university level obviously hasn't been thought through! Example, someone with CCC in Maths, Physics and Geography will be of much more use to them than someone with AAA in Colouring in(forgive the exaggeration). Similarly someone with a 2:2 in Aeronautical engineering will be a far more suitable candidate than someone with a 1:1 in David Beckham studies.
Navlights. You are quite right, I would imagine with the volume of applications that will be received, BA will have some form of computer system in use to help sift through the applications. So yes it is very likely in my opinion that if you don't tick and fill in the desired boxes your application will be automatically 'binned'.
Navlights. You are quite right, I would imagine with the volume of applications that will be received, BA will have some form of computer system in use to help sift through the applications. So yes it is very likely in my opinion that if you don't tick and fill in the desired boxes your application will be automatically 'binned'.
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Does anybody know what does "essay questions" mean? I mean somewhere in this forum I read a candidate (I don't know for which company) was asked about Hamlet... I mean I don't mind writing an essay but I'm Spanish and I'm not prepared to write an essay like that without any research at all... 
EDIT: spelling!
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Aspiring applicants,
I refer you to my previous posts regarding the requirements and how you choose to present yourselves when posting.
If you do not have the stated requirements, you will not pass the first post.
If you show a lack of ability to communicate accurately in the written word, you will also probably exclude yourself.
I'm not sure of the value in gaining a Diploma in Education when you fail to spell the word 'Education' correctly. No one will want to fly with a co-pilot/captain who cannot take the time to re-read their post before hitting the 'submit' button. Such a lazy approach does not reflect the attitude required to fly or command a commercial, or any kind of aircraft. If not already teaching, I suggest that you 'sharpen up your act' before applying for any teaching post.
I refer you to my previous posts regarding the requirements and how you choose to present yourselves when posting.
If you do not have the stated requirements, you will not pass the first post.
If you show a lack of ability to communicate accurately in the written word, you will also probably exclude yourself.
I'm not sure of the value in gaining a Diploma in Education when you fail to spell the word 'Education' correctly. No one will want to fly with a co-pilot/captain who cannot take the time to re-read their post before hitting the 'submit' button. Such a lazy approach does not reflect the attitude required to fly or command a commercial, or any kind of aircraft. If not already teaching, I suggest that you 'sharpen up your act' before applying for any teaching post.
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vikdream,
Recent BA DEP applicants had to answer 4 essay type questions using a max of 250 words. They were along the lines of: give an example of (when).... you made an important decision; ...have been involved in major change at work; ..... the competitive threat facing BA and how you can help etc.
Again with the DEP application you had to answer many yes/no questions on hours, experience etc prior to getting through to the main application. BA may do the same again but the questions may be along the lines of: do you have 3 'A' levels grade xyz or better; do you have a degree grade 2:1 or better. If you answer no you will be unable to progress.
The academic standard of ATPL exams is not overwhelming. If you can get A grade 'A' levels in English or History then you have demonstated the ability to work hard, logically and independantly and should have no issues with the academics. The subjects studied at 'A' level or degree level is not really very important to be a pilot. It has always been thus for BA or the RAF (RAF present requirements for pilots are 2 'A' levels grade A-C)
All the best
Recent BA DEP applicants had to answer 4 essay type questions using a max of 250 words. They were along the lines of: give an example of (when).... you made an important decision; ...have been involved in major change at work; ..... the competitive threat facing BA and how you can help etc.
Again with the DEP application you had to answer many yes/no questions on hours, experience etc prior to getting through to the main application. BA may do the same again but the questions may be along the lines of: do you have 3 'A' levels grade xyz or better; do you have a degree grade 2:1 or better. If you answer no you will be unable to progress.
The academic standard of ATPL exams is not overwhelming. If you can get A grade 'A' levels in English or History then you have demonstated the ability to work hard, logically and independantly and should have no issues with the academics. The subjects studied at 'A' level or degree level is not really very important to be a pilot. It has always been thus for BA or the RAF (RAF present requirements for pilots are 2 'A' levels grade A-C)
All the best
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Hello
I'm from Portugal, thatfor I don't know if I have the minimum requirements required by BA.
I hold a university degree, but I don't know how my 14 (0,20) final grade is enough (ie 2.1 ).
For all those from abroad, how are you managing to get your grades into uk grades?
NARIC won't do it ( Please note that at UK NARIC we are
unable to provide a comparability
statement for the grades obtained in your
qualifications. It is recommended that you
present transcripts directly to potential
employers/admitting institutions for
consideration on an individual basis in line
with specific grade requirements) , altough BA ask for a letter from them stating you have the minimum grades required..i really don't know what to do...
Any advise would be immensely appreciated
Best regards
I'm from Portugal, thatfor I don't know if I have the minimum requirements required by BA.
I hold a university degree, but I don't know how my 14 (0,20) final grade is enough (ie 2.1 ).
For all those from abroad, how are you managing to get your grades into uk grades?
NARIC won't do it ( Please note that at UK NARIC we are
unable to provide a comparability
statement for the grades obtained in your
qualifications. It is recommended that you
present transcripts directly to potential
employers/admitting institutions for
consideration on an individual basis in line
with specific grade requirements) , altough BA ask for a letter from them stating you have the minimum grades required..i really don't know what to do...
Any advise would be immensely appreciated
Best regards