BA Future Pilot Programme (FPP)(Merged)
The pass rate for the Compass Test is 28 out of 42, the score is made up from 6 assessments with a score from 1-7 in each with a minimum of 4 to pass.
I personally couldn't say what most get as I do not know such information. In the assessment group I went in with, 3 out of 8 of us passed the 2 days, but I do not know on which areas the others failed.
This link provides information on what the compass test involves for those who do not yet know.
I got the 32 from 42 when I called OAA to inquire today.
I personally couldn't say what most get as I do not know such information. In the assessment group I went in with, 3 out of 8 of us passed the 2 days, but I do not know on which areas the others failed.
This link provides information on what the compass test involves for those who do not yet know.
I got the 32 from 42 when I called OAA to inquire today.
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What is a compass test?
Also just a quick note, perhaps the people thinking about the cost of living while training could look at a Career Development Loan? I believe you can get up to £10,000.00 which can be put towards living costs for a training program which is going to develop your career.
Do you think we'll have to specify an FTE on our BA application forms? I can't make my mind up which I prefer - I was rejected from the CTC scheme marginally when they offered the unsecured loan back in 2008, but was allowed to go on the iCP course if I funded it myself! I enquired about this with CTC and they assured me that this would not affect my application this time round.
I think I'm going to rule out Oxford, as I don't like the idea of having too much American/FAA influence. I also think FTE would be good for me as its all in JAR airspace, and its location appeals to me, being not too far from Gibraltar to have a little bit of Britain when you need it!
Good luck to all applying when it opens
Also just a quick note, perhaps the people thinking about the cost of living while training could look at a Career Development Loan? I believe you can get up to £10,000.00 which can be put towards living costs for a training program which is going to develop your career.
Do you think we'll have to specify an FTE on our BA application forms? I can't make my mind up which I prefer - I was rejected from the CTC scheme marginally when they offered the unsecured loan back in 2008, but was allowed to go on the iCP course if I funded it myself! I enquired about this with CTC and they assured me that this would not affect my application this time round.
I think I'm going to rule out Oxford, as I don't like the idea of having too much American/FAA influence. I also think FTE would be good for me as its all in JAR airspace, and its location appeals to me, being not too far from Gibraltar to have a little bit of Britain when you need it!
Good luck to all applying when it opens
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Some information that may be useful (and might save Oxford, CTC, and FTE from answering similar questions many times):
I emailed them to ask whether candidates with a PPL and some (or all) ATPL groundschool exams were eligible and received the following replies:
CTC Wings:
Oxford:
FTE:
I emailed them to ask whether candidates with a PPL and some (or all) ATPL groundschool exams were eligible and received the following replies:
CTC Wings:
Dear DiamondC,
Thank you for your email and your interest in the BA FPP. All of the information that we currently have available can be found online via British Airways Pilot Training | Future Pilot Programme | Airline Pilot Training | CTC Wings . As and when we have more information we will update the website accordingly. You can sign via the online form for an email to be sent to you when the application process opens in the near future.
The BA FPP is aimed at those starting their training from ab initio, as yet, we have not formalised the requirements and are unable to give you further details on whether candidates with current qualifications and training will be accepted onto the programme. However as and when we do know, our website will be updated.
We look forward to hopefully receiving an application from you for the programme.
Kind Regards
CTC Wings Selection
Thank you for your email and your interest in the BA FPP. All of the information that we currently have available can be found online via British Airways Pilot Training | Future Pilot Programme | Airline Pilot Training | CTC Wings . As and when we have more information we will update the website accordingly. You can sign via the online form for an email to be sent to you when the application process opens in the near future.
The BA FPP is aimed at those starting their training from ab initio, as yet, we have not formalised the requirements and are unable to give you further details on whether candidates with current qualifications and training will be accepted onto the programme. However as and when we do know, our website will be updated.
We look forward to hopefully receiving an application from you for the programme.
Kind Regards
CTC Wings Selection
Dear DiamondC,
This is an integrated course, which would mean if you were selected you would have to contact the CAA re having any currently held ATPL theory exams voided so you could start the whole course all over.
Regards,
Team Leader – Training Sales
This is an integrated course, which would mean if you were selected you would have to contact the CAA re having any currently held ATPL theory exams voided so you could start the whole course all over.
Regards,
Team Leader – Training Sales
Dear DiamondC,
BA is aiming at recruiting cadets with no previous experience or low hours. However, you are welcome to apply as soon as BA announces that their application process has commenced.
BA will soon announce when and for what period the airline will accept applications for the Future Pilot Programme (FPP) via their on-line application system. We recommend you keep an eye on both the BA FPP and FTEJerez websites over the next few days.
As this period is likely to be fairly short, you are advised to apply as soon as possible. We also recommend that you ensure that you allow sufficient time to carefully complete the questionnaire and that you do so in a quiet area where you can fully concentrate on the task at hand.
Your application will, as a first step, be screened to ensure that you meet all BA’s initial entry criteria. If you are successful in the initial part of the selection and have chosen FTEJerez to do you training, you will be invited to attend our assessment centre at Coventry in the UK. More details regarding this will be provided at a later stage.
Successful candidates will subsequently be invited to attend the final BA FPP assessment at the BA Recruitment Centre near Heathrow.
BA’s FPP scheme will be highly sought after and very competitive. In the event you do not meet the criteria for this particular scheme, you can still pursue you dream of becoming an airline pilot. FTE has close ties to many prominent airlines and our graduates are highly regarded and are regularly offered positions with them.
Best regards,
FTE Sales Team
BA is aiming at recruiting cadets with no previous experience or low hours. However, you are welcome to apply as soon as BA announces that their application process has commenced.
BA will soon announce when and for what period the airline will accept applications for the Future Pilot Programme (FPP) via their on-line application system. We recommend you keep an eye on both the BA FPP and FTEJerez websites over the next few days.
As this period is likely to be fairly short, you are advised to apply as soon as possible. We also recommend that you ensure that you allow sufficient time to carefully complete the questionnaire and that you do so in a quiet area where you can fully concentrate on the task at hand.
Your application will, as a first step, be screened to ensure that you meet all BA’s initial entry criteria. If you are successful in the initial part of the selection and have chosen FTEJerez to do you training, you will be invited to attend our assessment centre at Coventry in the UK. More details regarding this will be provided at a later stage.
Successful candidates will subsequently be invited to attend the final BA FPP assessment at the BA Recruitment Centre near Heathrow.
BA’s FPP scheme will be highly sought after and very competitive. In the event you do not meet the criteria for this particular scheme, you can still pursue you dream of becoming an airline pilot. FTE has close ties to many prominent airlines and our graduates are highly regarded and are regularly offered positions with them.
Best regards,
FTE Sales Team
Hi Dopsonj
Where did you hear about the pass mark of 32 for the compass test? I can't find it in either BA's or OAA's info online.
Where did you hear about the pass mark of 32 for the compass test? I can't find it in either BA's or OAA's info online.
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Hey guys!
Just heard about this and I am ever so excited (but inevitabley grounded, competition is going to be immense).
I am 18 years old have just completed my A levels in which I got BBB.
My GCSE's were 4A*'s 4A's and 2B's, so I meet the minumum entry requirements. However I have no flight experience what so ever! money has always been tight and I couldn't dream of asking my parents for money to go to flight school or even attend a flying lesson. I am on a gap year, so am looking to get a job and raise some money to pay for just 1-2 flying lessons so at least I have some experience.
My issue is that so many people will have flying experience and will have there PPL ect. Would it disadvantage me greatly if I had no flying experience?
I also don't know how to explain to them why I am on a gap year! I got into medicine (offer from UCL) but fluffed my final exams and thus got BBB. Don't know if they will look kindly into me considering I was a potential medical student ect.
Any help would be great!
Just heard about this and I am ever so excited (but inevitabley grounded, competition is going to be immense).
I am 18 years old have just completed my A levels in which I got BBB.
My GCSE's were 4A*'s 4A's and 2B's, so I meet the minumum entry requirements. However I have no flight experience what so ever! money has always been tight and I couldn't dream of asking my parents for money to go to flight school or even attend a flying lesson. I am on a gap year, so am looking to get a job and raise some money to pay for just 1-2 flying lessons so at least I have some experience.
My issue is that so many people will have flying experience and will have there PPL ect. Would it disadvantage me greatly if I had no flying experience?
I also don't know how to explain to them why I am on a gap year! I got into medicine (offer from UCL) but fluffed my final exams and thus got BBB. Don't know if they will look kindly into me considering I was a potential medical student ect.
Any help would be great!
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Reading this whole thread makes me realise (as if I didn't know already!) how competitive this scheme is going to be.
It's certainly very daunting - nearly enough to put me off even trying. What do people think the chances are of somebody who well exceeds all the academic requirements, has some work experience (so is used to at least the teamwork sort of exercises on these assessment days) and can interview fairly well?
What I'm really getting at is are these flying assessments (such as the ones I've read about that OAA do) the sort of things that you either can or can't do? So being good at assessment days generally and decent at maths and physics etc doesn't necessarily mean you will succeed? As someone who has never done one of these, they seem intimidating!
It's certainly very daunting - nearly enough to put me off even trying. What do people think the chances are of somebody who well exceeds all the academic requirements, has some work experience (so is used to at least the teamwork sort of exercises on these assessment days) and can interview fairly well?
What I'm really getting at is are these flying assessments (such as the ones I've read about that OAA do) the sort of things that you either can or can't do? So being good at assessment days generally and decent at maths and physics etc doesn't necessarily mean you will succeed? As someone who has never done one of these, they seem intimidating!
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Hi Hamptindle.
First of all, congratulations on your achievements to date; your parents should be proud.
Second, commiserations on losing out re your conditional offer from Med. School; I know how you must be feeling.
Third, you satisfy the requirements so just give it a go; you never know your luck.
Fourth, if you're worried about the aptitude tests, perhaps this might help:
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...wn-merged.html
Finally, if unsuccesful this time, don't give up; and dare I say it: rather than going straight to uni after your gap year, consider finding yourself a job - especially one involving shift work/ service to communities e.g. Police, Fire Service etc. - and undertake a part time degree course to demonstrate essential skills such as dedication, self discipline and time management. Won't be easy, I know, but it's par for the course.
Best of luck.
First of all, congratulations on your achievements to date; your parents should be proud.
Second, commiserations on losing out re your conditional offer from Med. School; I know how you must be feeling.
Third, you satisfy the requirements so just give it a go; you never know your luck.
Fourth, if you're worried about the aptitude tests, perhaps this might help:
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...wn-merged.html
Finally, if unsuccesful this time, don't give up; and dare I say it: rather than going straight to uni after your gap year, consider finding yourself a job - especially one involving shift work/ service to communities e.g. Police, Fire Service etc. - and undertake a part time degree course to demonstrate essential skills such as dedication, self discipline and time management. Won't be easy, I know, but it's par for the course.
Best of luck.
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The 3 above posts
RB - You're replying to two different people mate, not just Hamptindle!
Although I agree with your sentiments.
J Dot A - Perhaps you could think of another way to describe your current situation? Although if a conditional offer was not met, that may be easy for the interviewer/admin team to spot. If you accept that you made a mistake somewhere at college, which lead you to not do so well in your exams, then be ready to talk about it at interview. The issue regarding flight experience is explained very clearly on the FPP website under the "about you" tab. Please take a look there.
Hamptindle - Yes, this is a very competitive scheme. Statistically, you have very little chance (according to some estimates, about 400/50,000, which is about 1 in 125). However, you will have far less chance if you don't apply at all. As for the aptitude tests, you have summed it up yourself. You either can, or you can't do them. Nonetheless, they are actually quite fun.
Although I agree with your sentiments.
J Dot A - Perhaps you could think of another way to describe your current situation? Although if a conditional offer was not met, that may be easy for the interviewer/admin team to spot. If you accept that you made a mistake somewhere at college, which lead you to not do so well in your exams, then be ready to talk about it at interview. The issue regarding flight experience is explained very clearly on the FPP website under the "about you" tab. Please take a look there.
Hamptindle - Yes, this is a very competitive scheme. Statistically, you have very little chance (according to some estimates, about 400/50,000, which is about 1 in 125). However, you will have far less chance if you don't apply at all. As for the aptitude tests, you have summed it up yourself. You either can, or you can't do them. Nonetheless, they are actually quite fun.
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If there was any integrity or educational value in this FPP process (or any other P2F for that matter), there should be funds available from the Student Loans Company. Even they would run a mile from this
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It is not P2F, it is pay-to-train. You pay from scratch up to the end of the type rating. Thereafter BA pays you, including line training. In this day and age £95,000 ish all-in including living costs for the above is very competitive.
The average earnings of a BA pilot last year was in excess of £100,000 - so the return on invesment is actually quite good.
The average earnings of a BA pilot last year was in excess of £100,000 - so the return on invesment is actually quite good.
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Hey thanks for the response guys!
So with no flight experience or training I could potentially pass the inital stage of selection? wow! Although they might be just saying that, but really they want people with some flight exeperience?
Money has been tight in our household so flying lessons ect was always out of the question when I was growing older... although I did use to borrow simulations ect from friends, but at the end of the day that is no way representative of the realy thing.
Hmm I hope BA aren't just saying they don't want people with no experience just to gain money for the FTO as it's £200 per application or something.
So with no flight experience or training I could potentially pass the inital stage of selection? wow! Although they might be just saying that, but really they want people with some flight exeperience?
Money has been tight in our household so flying lessons ect was always out of the question when I was growing older... although I did use to borrow simulations ect from friends, but at the end of the day that is no way representative of the realy thing.
Hmm I hope BA aren't just saying they don't want people with no experience just to gain money for the FTO as it's £200 per application or something.
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Guys you are not actually paying to train. You are giving BA (APL) a deposit in escence. This is paid back to you at £12000 a year Tax Free. If you want to pretend you are paying for your training, then BA will be giving you the equivalent of an extra £17000 on top of your salary. You will not be in debt for the rest of your life because this will go straight back to BBVA to pay it off.
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Until we see the FPP salary scales this is all speculation anyway. Looking at recent moves by BA (e.g. Mixed Fleet) I would be shocked if the FPP did not reduce BA's pilot costs in some way. Regardless it is still a fantastic opportunity for those of us aspiring to be pilots.
For the debate between the schools, they all do the same job with a similar set-up and cost about the same. I would recommend you go visit them all if you can, or talk to them at the Flyer Show. Most graduates i have met from these schools say the same thing "I'm really glad I chose my FTO" so from what I can see there is no clear winner and I think it comes down to personal preference.
For the debate between the schools, they all do the same job with a similar set-up and cost about the same. I would recommend you go visit them all if you can, or talk to them at the Flyer Show. Most graduates i have met from these schools say the same thing "I'm really glad I chose my FTO" so from what I can see there is no clear winner and I think it comes down to personal preference.
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I earnestly suggest that you go and play in the traffic. Either that or do some proper research before you post again.
Guys...guys, whatever you think of this scheme--it's the only game in town that's providing you with a job at the end of it. Way back when BEA/BOAC were 'sponsoring' ab initio training with 3A levels there was a pay back (as I've mentioned before-WIWAH-sorry). This was a similar percentage of pay to that being asked now. There was also university grant scheme in place then but like now, local authorities didn't see flying training as a legitimate way to spend government money. So like now, you either accepted the terms or didn't. Entirely your choice-but if you don't apply you definitely won't be on a course.
The thoughts of which school to go to are surely more worthwhile than the whinge.
Rhcriad; I'd be delighted to fly with you in command but I fear that the battery on my (by then) battery powered zimmer won't be allowed on board
Guys...guys, whatever you think of this scheme--it's the only game in town that's providing you with a job at the end of it. Way back when BEA/BOAC were 'sponsoring' ab initio training with 3A levels there was a pay back (as I've mentioned before-WIWAH-sorry). This was a similar percentage of pay to that being asked now. There was also university grant scheme in place then but like now, local authorities didn't see flying training as a legitimate way to spend government money. So like now, you either accepted the terms or didn't. Entirely your choice-but if you don't apply you definitely won't be on a course.
The thoughts of which school to go to are surely more worthwhile than the whinge.
Rhcriad; I'd be delighted to fly with you in command but I fear that the battery on my (by then) battery powered zimmer won't be allowed on board
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Mine neither!!
Like an awful lot of posters on here, I'm just a dreamer - still no harm in that I suppose.
Think I'll pop down to my local for that dose of 'reality' you mentioned in a previous text. Care to join me? I'm buying
Like an awful lot of posters on here, I'm just a dreamer - still no harm in that I suppose.
Think I'll pop down to my local for that dose of 'reality' you mentioned in a previous text. Care to join me? I'm buying
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To the point ------> Can non UK or EU nationals apply? The website does state that one has to have the 'right to live & work in the UK' which means at least a work permit... but as employment laws go, if BA is employing, then effectively, they would get that sorted out wouldn’t they?
I know this could be a sensitive question, but flying is international & you can’t blame me for trying my luck everywhere
I know this could be a sensitive question, but flying is international & you can’t blame me for trying my luck everywhere