British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Hi all, just a quick message. I don't know how many have access, but Bill Francis is taking a Q&A session on the BA cabin crew forum "from lunchtime" today. As you are clearly interested and involved, those of you who can get in, might want to read. Those of you who are cabin crew will (I imagine) want to post. It is one of the only places all sides of this debate discuss the situation.
PS. The BASSA/Amicus poll is open from 1900 29th April to midnight 6th May...
PS. The BASSA/Amicus poll is open from 1900 29th April to midnight 6th May...
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Reargunner, I'm afraid its the same old same old, lots of rambling posts with no real questions, just 12 pages (so far) of people "making a point"
just like some "other" forums I can think of
just like some "other" forums I can think of
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You would say that PP...always the negative.
Unfortunately it is not a chat forum, but a Q&A. BF never gets into chats anymore, just starts to answer when the thread has been closed to all - unfortunately.
Unfortunately it is not a chat forum, but a Q&A. BF never gets into chats anymore, just starts to answer when the thread has been closed to all - unfortunately.
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Willys letter
Check out Willys message on the news intranet, he say that Woodley has stated that all CC concerns have been addressed with this offer, and he has written to all CC (please read, don`t bin it).
So what is the strike about now ?, If its about ST he has made that clear to, he will give it back to strikers as if new starters, if the offer is accepted.
However, even this will be removed if any more strike dates are called.
Thoughts ?
So what is the strike about now ?, If its about ST he has made that clear to, he will give it back to strikers as if new starters, if the offer is accepted.
However, even this will be removed if any more strike dates are called.
Thoughts ?
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I am no expert on employment law, but I would be very surprised if BA could recruit cabin crew on different T's and C's and then tell exisiting cabin crew that their job is redundant, and then continue to recruit more cabin crew.
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Why strike
Isn't is astonishing that Tony Woodley has nothing negative to say about BA's offer but urges cabin crew to reject the offer because of loss of staff travel and disciplinary procedures?
Why should cabin crew go on strike to support the 3,300 who knew that their IA would result in loss of ST?
Why should cabin crew go on strike to support the 50 who are in a disciplinary procedure which entitles them to have union assistance and an appeal procedure? And in case anyone thinks that they did nothing wrong, why have four being sacked?
These are the sort of questions that people need to ask before voting.
Why should cabin crew go on strike to support the 3,300 who knew that their IA would result in loss of ST?
Why should cabin crew go on strike to support the 50 who are in a disciplinary procedure which entitles them to have union assistance and an appeal procedure? And in case anyone thinks that they did nothing wrong, why have four being sacked?
These are the sort of questions that people need to ask before voting.
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Caribbean Boy
You make interesting points, most of which will be ignored by the militant minority. Pertinent questions could have been asked, but some "educated" supposedly "well informed" questioners would rather ask about an ongoing court case.........doh doh 
as if anyone can comment on that without bringing into prejudice the outcome
Meanwhile the main body of BASSA members are being asked for countless ID requirements, inc part of your NI numbers, etc to even sign up to vote, I just wonder why these hurdles are being put in place???
FWIW I think the UNITE leaders have sen the writing on the wall
as if anyone can comment on that without bringing into prejudice the outcomeMeanwhile the main body of BASSA members are being asked for countless ID requirements, inc part of your NI numbers, etc to even sign up to vote, I just wonder why these hurdles are being put in place???
FWIW I think the UNITE leaders have sen the writing on the wall
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Caribbean Boy - Interesting points.
Because the strikers believe they are in majority - they probably think 10.000 crew went on strike and 3.000 reported for duty.
Because the strikers believe the suspended crew have been suspended as a result of taking a legal industrial action - not due to the fact they have been harassing, bullying and intimidating other crew.
Why should cabin crew go on strike to support the 3,300 who knew that their IA would result in loss of ST?
Why should cabin crew go on strike to support the 50 who are in a disciplinary procedure which entitles them to have union assistance and an appeal procedure? And in case anyone thinks that they did nothing wrong, why have four being sacked?
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Do you know for a fact, that the suspended employees have acted as you state?
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From what I can gather a list of names from the first few VCC courses was passed around on facebook.
While I suspect merely receiving the list is not cause for disciplinary, if you were to receive the list and pass it on or make comments such as "these people should be named and shamed" then you potentially face not only internal company disciplinary problems but possibly a police investigation.
Don't forget that striking cabin crew threatened to kidnap the son of the BALPA rep involved in the first course.
This is all serious stuff and to believe, as some do, that BA is overreacting is quite the opposite of reality. In fact, BA have been pretty slow, IMHO, in dealing with it - most employers would have sacked you first and then had the disciplinary process later.
While I suspect merely receiving the list is not cause for disciplinary, if you were to receive the list and pass it on or make comments such as "these people should be named and shamed" then you potentially face not only internal company disciplinary problems but possibly a police investigation.
Don't forget that striking cabin crew threatened to kidnap the son of the BALPA rep involved in the first course.
This is all serious stuff and to believe, as some do, that BA is overreacting is quite the opposite of reality. In fact, BA have been pretty slow, IMHO, in dealing with it - most employers would have sacked you first and then had the disciplinary process later.
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Don't forget that striking cabin crew threatened to kidnap the son of the BALPA rep involved in the first course.
Striking cabin crew threatened what?! The crew I have spoken to, did not seem the types to be involved in kidnap. How come their have not been 3000 arrests?
This is all serious stuff and to believe, as some do, that BA is overreacting is quite the opposite of reality. In fact, BA have been pretty slow, IMHO, in dealing with it - most employers would have sacked you first and then had the disciplinary process later.
You must has had experience of some rubbish employers. That old employment law thing, it must only be for guidance?
Striking cabin crew threatened what?! The crew I have spoken to, did not seem the types to be involved in kidnap. How come their have not been 3000 arrests?
This is all serious stuff and to believe, as some do, that BA is overreacting is quite the opposite of reality. In fact, BA have been pretty slow, IMHO, in dealing with it - most employers would have sacked you first and then had the disciplinary process later.
You must has had experience of some rubbish employers. That old employment law thing, it must only be for guidance?
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Reportedly some of the behaviour that some people have been suspended for is absolutely vile. My personal view is that it is completely correct that no deal is done on disciplinaries. They are completely separate issues and must be treated as such.
(The opinions above are my own and not those of my employer.)
(The opinions above are my own and not those of my employer.)
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Get A Grip People
Get a grip people.
Talk of kidnapping sons of BALPA reps, thats a joke right?
Cabin crew intimidating pilots who fly the very aircraft they travel in.
When You Play Fire With Fire You Just Get Burned.
Anyway if you are cabin crew can you please tell you should vote yes.
if u cant remember how u got a scare you didnt go through enough pain to get it.
You have a job if you don't like it then do us all a favour and leave.
Everyone will be better off without you.
Your problems are only as big as you make them.
They can seem like a ripple, or a tidal wave.
But your always the only one who creates it.
Talk of kidnapping sons of BALPA reps, thats a joke right?
Cabin crew intimidating pilots who fly the very aircraft they travel in.
When You Play Fire With Fire You Just Get Burned.
Anyway if you are cabin crew can you please tell you should vote yes.
if u cant remember how u got a scare you didnt go through enough pain to get it.
You have a job if you don't like it then do us all a favour and leave.
Everyone will be better off without you.
Your problems are only as big as you make them.
They can seem like a ripple, or a tidal wave.
But your always the only one who creates it.
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It is wrong to lump all strikers in the same category, but whilst there is no doubt that some CC have been caught up in this either innocently or through naivety there can be NO good reason for the internal process to be overriden by BASSA/UNITE's demands.
There may well be people who will be found innocent and some who will simply get a warning as in any disciplinary process.
I, like most of us on here have little knowledge of individual cases, but we have all heard of some extremely serious misconduct verging on the criminal. Would you want to work alongside people like that? I know I wouldn't, and if the story about the threat against the BALPA official is true that is truly appalling. How can you make light of that?
Furthermore, anyone has the option to take the company to an industrial tribunal if they believe they have been wrongfully dismissed. Do you want to bet that none will do so?
BASSA/UNITE had the opportunity very early to take a responsible stance by making a statement warning their members about inappropriate behaviour, yet they chose not just to turn a blind eye ,but condoned it. A real abrogation of duty to the membership, many of whom are no doubt regretting their actions.
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It is wrong to lump all strikers in the same category, but whilst there is no doubt that some CC have been caught up in this either innocently or through naivety there can be NO good reason for the internal process to be overriden by BASSA/UNITE's demands.
There may well be people who will be found innocent and some who will simply get a warning as in any disciplinary process.
I, like most of us on here have little knowledge of individual cases, but we have all heard of some extremely serious misconduct verging on the criminal. Would you want to work alongside people like that? I know I wouldn't, and if the story about the threat against the BALPA official is true that is truly appalling. How can you make light of that?
Furthermore, anyone has the option to take the company to an industrial tribunal if they believe they have been wrongfully dismissed. Do you want to bet that none will do so?
BASSA/UNITE had the opportunity very early to take a responsible stance by making a statement warning their members about inappropriate behaviour, yet they chose not just to turn a blind eye ,but condoned it. A real abrogation of duty to the membership, many of whom are no doubt regretting their actions.
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