British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Firstly, I can't read 167 pages of comments on this thread alone so please forgive me if I repeat comments from before.
Can'tFly's comment above is quite valid. I have found it beyond annoying that the media have take up a very anti-management stance by reporting all of the alleged reasons for the failure of the talks.
Also, I have not once heard the BASSA side of the argument in detail.
What exactly is it you DON'T agree with?
Without resorting to personal insults and petty bickering, can ONE person explain WHY you feel the need to impact your "colleagues"?
Why do YOU feel that you are above taking a bit of pain right now to keep ALL of us employed?
As things stand financially, there will be no choice but to resort to compulsory redundancies across the airline.
Less profitable routes and a swage of the shorthaul operation would be cut seeing a great number of employees across departments lose their jobs.
From the point of view of the VAST majority of the rest of the airline as well as a significant number of your CC colleagues, what you are doing is petty, selfish and foolish.
SO.... please enlighten us. What are your arguments really about?
I'M BACKING BA !!!!
Can'tFly's comment above is quite valid. I have found it beyond annoying that the media have take up a very anti-management stance by reporting all of the alleged reasons for the failure of the talks.
Also, I have not once heard the BASSA side of the argument in detail.
What exactly is it you DON'T agree with?
Without resorting to personal insults and petty bickering, can ONE person explain WHY you feel the need to impact your "colleagues"?
Why do YOU feel that you are above taking a bit of pain right now to keep ALL of us employed?
As things stand financially, there will be no choice but to resort to compulsory redundancies across the airline.
Less profitable routes and a swage of the shorthaul operation would be cut seeing a great number of employees across departments lose their jobs.
From the point of view of the VAST majority of the rest of the airline as well as a significant number of your CC colleagues, what you are doing is petty, selfish and foolish.
SO.... please enlighten us. What are your arguments really about?
I'M BACKING BA !!!!
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A couple of hundred members of the Socialist Workers party have decended on ACAS' offices and several have broken in to the building to try and disrupt the meetings.
According to one of the lefties on the BBC news they are doing it to show solidarity
Now, maybe, just maybe, those lead astray into believing that this is not a militant/political stance may just see the light before it's too late.
Open your eyes guys, please!
According to one of the lefties on the BBC news they are doing it to show solidarity
Now, maybe, just maybe, those lead astray into believing that this is not a militant/political stance may just see the light before it's too late.
Open your eyes guys, please!
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Maybe just a mis-speak, but the bloke on Channel 4 news just said that there will "a one day strike on Monday"..... Does he mean that the strikes will begin on monday with one day followed immediately by a further four?
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If you were able to read the previous 167 pages, you would still not find a diffinitive answer to your question re 'what are they striking for?'
The only thing that is consistant are the inconsistancies. It changes from 'imposition' to 'return of staff travel', to imposition then mistrust and so on.
The only thing that is consistant are the inconsistancies. It changes from 'imposition' to 'return of staff travel', to imposition then mistrust and so on.
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My god. Just watched a video on BBC website of the protestors chanting at Mr. Walsh.
The man's just earned some respect points for putting up with that inappropriate behaviour from what I'm willing to place good money on the fact are largely members of the Socialist Worker party for one reason and one reason only : the opportunity to rabble rouse and protest at every turn.
Well done, Willie, for standing up to them.
And well done to Woodley for helping Mr. Walsh make his escape and for putting the mob in their place.
The man's just earned some respect points for putting up with that inappropriate behaviour from what I'm willing to place good money on the fact are largely members of the Socialist Worker party for one reason and one reason only : the opportunity to rabble rouse and protest at every turn.
Well done, Willie, for standing up to them.
And well done to Woodley for helping Mr. Walsh make his escape and for putting the mob in their place.
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Ugh @ Bassa and Crew Forum glee.....
Today's ugly turn of events will help NOBODY. Indeed, I think things have just taken a biiiig leap backwards.
BBC News - BA and union talks stopped by protesters
Today's ugly turn of events will help NOBODY. Indeed, I think things have just taken a biiiig leap backwards.
BBC News - BA and union talks stopped by protesters
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As I understand it, it's been alleged on another forum that Mr. Walsh was responsible for arranging the visit by the Socialist (never-been-a) Worker Party.....
I'm sceptical.
I'm sceptical.
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This is a quote from the latest ESS news:
Numpty...
PS it says T.W.I.T.T.E.R in the quote not PPrune. Strange, It changes automatically from twitte.r to pprune
The airline added that it was deeply concerned that Derek Simpson felt it was appropriate to post on Twitter a running commentary of delicate negotiations aimed at preventing a strike which will impact thousands of hard working families wanting to go their half term holidays and the job security of his members.
PS it says T.W.I.T.T.E.R in the quote not PPrune. Strange, It changes automatically from twitte.r to pprune
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With friends like that, who needs............
"Respeck" to both Willie and Derek for their handling of what could have been a nasty incident. Maybe there's hope after all.
"Respeck" to both Willie and Derek for their handling of what could have been a nasty incident. Maybe there's hope after all.
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are we talking about the same people that marched outside the Aurora hotel? that changed against WW? That called their colleagues Scabs?
if so, I am incredulous you can say that they have decency and decorum! It is interesting that CC want people to respect them but it is ok for them to attack their colleagues, with a lack of respect for the rest of the company that it is difficult to believe.
but what we all do have is decency and decorum something that you are lacking .
if so, I am incredulous you can say that they have decency and decorum! It is interesting that CC want people to respect them but it is ok for them to attack their colleagues, with a lack of respect for the rest of the company that it is difficult to believe.
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Sadly another example of all that is wrong with unionism. The louts who engineered this had no thought for the purpose of this important meeting. Still, let us hope that the "progress being made" continues. However, I think that Simpson's Tweetering was outlandish and probably illegal since this was a very private meeting, it was certainly childish and totally unprofessional. An apology would be appropriate.
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Haven't posted on here for a while as it was just the same back and forth of the argument but am incensed about Simpson tweeting during these important meetings! It speaks volumes about his personal agenda - he's not intested in solving the dispute or coming to an agreement - it's simply to get his name into the frame in the hopes of some future stardom with the union and Labour party.
Please wake up cabin crew and see this for what it really is - UNITE are leading the airline into bankruptcy - no one will have a job let alone a travel perk.
The new argument seems to have forgotten the original reasons the strikes were called - the "safety" issues of workling one down are now abandoned and travel concessions and reinstatement are the new tools to hold BA to ransom.
Please wake up cabin crew and see this for what it really is - UNITE are leading the airline into bankruptcy - no one will have a job let alone a travel perk.
The new argument seems to have forgotten the original reasons the strikes were called - the "safety" issues of workling one down are now abandoned and travel concessions and reinstatement are the new tools to hold BA to ransom.
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Written/text threats to poison pilots food.