British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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That will cost them, as I am sure it will be reasonably easy to prove that they have been targeted just for being a rep. No limit on the compensation for that.
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There's not much effort needed to manage the Bassa leadership out of the company. Looking at sickness, B+H cases, libellous comms, no shows, it won't be difficult to be rid of the malevolent few, intent on the demise of BA's management for their own ends.
There's not much effort needed to manage the Bassa leadership out of the company. Looking at sickness, B+H cases, libellous comms, no shows, it won't be difficult to be rid of the malevolent few, intent on the demise of BA's management for their own ends.
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Litebulbs: midman seems well informed as his/her info coincides with mine. Unless it's the same 'wrong' source, of course.
The missive from the 42-y.o. stewardess seems to have come straight from the BASSA word processor. It bangs more drums than the Band of the Household Cavalry! All BASSA's favourite elements were there, birthdays, CPR, pilot wages, etc etc. Very representative of a cause which has totally run out of ideas.
Will the next strike dates be announced soon? An indefinite one, by some sources.
The missive from the 42-y.o. stewardess seems to have come straight from the BASSA word processor. It bangs more drums than the Band of the Household Cavalry! All BASSA's favourite elements were there, birthdays, CPR, pilot wages, etc etc. Very representative of a cause which has totally run out of ideas.
Will the next strike dates be announced soon? An indefinite one, by some sources.
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The temps are all on the the new contract. Lower basic pay than during their first stint and an hourly rate for allowances (same as Gatwick at about £2.45 per hour).
An indefinite strike will be the final death nail for BASSA. Only the militants will stick with it and all the part timers who have yet to be drawn into the dispute will have to make their decision. Do they lose staff travel and pay in support of a dispute they didn't want and know now they can't win with BA flying probably close to 90% of passengers next time round?? No brainer in my book.
An indefinite strike will be the final death nail for BASSA. Only the militants will stick with it and all the part timers who have yet to be drawn into the dispute will have to make their decision. Do they lose staff travel and pay in support of a dispute they didn't want and know now they can't win with BA flying probably close to 90% of passengers next time round?? No brainer in my book.
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I cannot believe the trash that gets circulated. And still going on about pilots and cabin crew. How can we make BASSA see the reality?
I have read plenty of posts in this and the previous forums comparing CC and pilots. I have also seen many postings highlighting the same issue:
we are all useful and wonderful, however when I am on a flight as a pax, I am pretty bothered if the person in the cockpit has only been on a training course for one month and was previously an accountant... Am I that bothered if the cabin crew has been on a training course that only lasted one month, was previously and accountant and is not able to serve me a hot meal??? no
In all selfishness I appreciate cabin crew are trained to deal with emergencies, but to my knowledge they are not trained to fly a plane, they have not been through years of training to do their jobs. This does not deny their value when they save someone life, but still it does not mean that we can compare them.
Even in this capitalistic era we should still be able to recognise the value of people who have studied years to get their profession. What world would it be if we paid nurses as much as we paid doctors, if we paid admin assistants as much as we paid solicitors? surely you would agree you would rather see an accredited doctor than a nurse if you think something might be seriously wrong with you? and similarly you would rather sit in a plane with someone who has studied for years to be a pilot, then someone who has been on a short course?
IF pilots go on strike, the airline would be grounded, there is no doubt about it. It would not matter how many managers, A7, A6, A5, A4, A3, IMG etc might want to volunteer... it would just not happen.
This is not nice to know for me in Sales, for cabin crew, for baggage handlers, and so on, but it is just the way it is... so I wish BASSA stopped with this silly comments about pilots being paid 3 4 or 500 times what they get paid.. welcome to the real world, now can we just focus on the issues and not use silly propaganda please? thanks
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I have read plenty of posts in this and the previous forums comparing CC and pilots. I have also seen many postings highlighting the same issue:
we are all useful and wonderful, however when I am on a flight as a pax, I am pretty bothered if the person in the cockpit has only been on a training course for one month and was previously an accountant... Am I that bothered if the cabin crew has been on a training course that only lasted one month, was previously and accountant and is not able to serve me a hot meal??? no
In all selfishness I appreciate cabin crew are trained to deal with emergencies, but to my knowledge they are not trained to fly a plane, they have not been through years of training to do their jobs. This does not deny their value when they save someone life, but still it does not mean that we can compare them.
Even in this capitalistic era we should still be able to recognise the value of people who have studied years to get their profession. What world would it be if we paid nurses as much as we paid doctors, if we paid admin assistants as much as we paid solicitors? surely you would agree you would rather see an accredited doctor than a nurse if you think something might be seriously wrong with you? and similarly you would rather sit in a plane with someone who has studied for years to be a pilot, then someone who has been on a short course?
IF pilots go on strike, the airline would be grounded, there is no doubt about it. It would not matter how many managers, A7, A6, A5, A4, A3, IMG etc might want to volunteer... it would just not happen.
This is not nice to know for me in Sales, for cabin crew, for baggage handlers, and so on, but it is just the way it is... so I wish BASSA stopped with this silly comments about pilots being paid 3 4 or 500 times what they get paid.. welcome to the real world, now can we just focus on the issues and not use silly propaganda please? thanks
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Communism is now capitalism without democracy which seems to be exactly where ww and MOL stand.
I cannot believe that people just want to allocate blame... ok WW might not be a candidate for taking Mother Theresa's place, but he is not the reason we live in a capitalistic society, he is not the reason CEO's of companies get paid as much as they do, he is not the reason BA is struggling versus the competition: this all rubbish about this strike being about trying to defend the service that we give to customers when even before the recession, when we wanted to change one comma in the service to improve it in certain cabins, we had to negotiate for hours with unions... if crew were only concerned about the service they offer to customers surely their reps would jump at the idea of being able to offer something more, no?
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Examples of being passionate about service???
Dumping 300 passengers in Prestwick last winter.
Telling crew not to offer hot towels in WTP because the union wanted an extra crew member.
Insisting on 18 hours rest after a delayed duty of more than 12.5 hours in shorthaul, resulting in hundreds of cancelled flights over the years.
Closing First class cabins, resulting in the downgrading of our most valuable customers because of high sickness levels amongst cabin crew.
There are hundreds more examples, but there's four off the top of my head.
It annoys me so much when they try and hide what is a blatant industrial dispute about union control with these two-faced lies about being passionate about service. On the day, I think a lot of crew actually are, but their union and the reps couldn't give a stuff about the customer, as they have clearly demonstrated in the way they have behaved. Saddest thing of all is that those who actually are passionate about our customers have been press ganged into following out of date practices by the militants through fear of retribution in many cases.
Dumping 300 passengers in Prestwick last winter.
Telling crew not to offer hot towels in WTP because the union wanted an extra crew member.
Insisting on 18 hours rest after a delayed duty of more than 12.5 hours in shorthaul, resulting in hundreds of cancelled flights over the years.
Closing First class cabins, resulting in the downgrading of our most valuable customers because of high sickness levels amongst cabin crew.
There are hundreds more examples, but there's four off the top of my head.
It annoys me so much when they try and hide what is a blatant industrial dispute about union control with these two-faced lies about being passionate about service. On the day, I think a lot of crew actually are, but their union and the reps couldn't give a stuff about the customer, as they have clearly demonstrated in the way they have behaved. Saddest thing of all is that those who actually are passionate about our customers have been press ganged into following out of date practices by the militants through fear of retribution in many cases.
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This forum surely sets the record for the saddest number of sad people,ever.Same old names,same old tripe.Pitifull,and to think some of you alledgedly have received a good education.For christ sake stop bashing CC,Lizanne Sky or anyone else that doesnt quite fit in with your pathetic train of thought.Get out ,get some fresh air,watch tv....get a life youre pathetic the lot of ya!.Mike
Once again Miamimike, I ask you to bring some evidence based arguments to the table, in fact you bring one liners, do you wish to be taken seriously?, or do you want to rely on one linners and BASSA sound bites??? You have the choice, the latest from the chair below.............
For your info since last Tuesday most BASSA reps have been spread all over the world rostered on flying duties. BA do not de-roster us any more so it is almost impossible to function efficiently. Being suspended I am virtually the only one able to conduct BASSA duties but even doing do technically contradicts the rules of my suspension. However I have chosen to press ahead and communicate with you all in my capacity as your secretary. We are doing all we can under the circumstances. We are preparing for more industrial action and hope to be able to make an announcement this week.
BA have been asked to de-roster all reps for a pensions briefing on Wednesday and afterwards the senior reps (those that can get there) will meet with Tony Woodley to agree our next steps. This is the first time we will be able to get together. I appreciate it is frustrating but we simply are not being allowed to represent you.
Since the strike many more crew have been suspended and that is something else we have to deal with. Pilots are now virtually entraping crew and any heated discussion is ending in the crew being suspended while the pilot walks free. Last night I spent much of the evening advising a WW purser who was taken off his back to back and suspended and this is not an isolated incident. This is all down to flight deck and it is no longer a small number. Frankly I am disgusted with them and will never trust them again. What this is doing to CRM is very very serious but apparently it does not seem to bother the BA management or their flight deck lackeys (I am sorry if there are any decent pilots I might have offended but not many seem to be speaking up right now and by sitting back and doing nothing you are as guilty as those doing the entraping). Many good and decent crew are now potentially facing the sack because of the shameful actions initiated by a certain captain. (We have seen his postings on the BALPA forum boasting about his arrangement with Walsh - we hope he is proud of himself).
Yes Walsh is training up volunteers, yes this is now a full assault on your jobs and yes in my opinion we should go for all out industrial action in a determined effort to bring this madman to his senses, but not everyone can see what is happening and some crew still think there are more gentler ways of resisting this dispute. Their e mails have to be answered and their worries addressed. Walsh's actions are taking us to the precipice but not everyone sees it yet. BASSA knows what needs to be done but when we do it we want all the members to be convinced there is no easier way. Quite frankly what we have now is Armageddon and it has all been caused by Walsh backed up by his pet Captain.
Please bear with us and have a little faith, as I said there will be developments this week as far as BASSA is concerned. Speaking personally I shall be pushing for an all out strike as I see no alternative now.
BA have been asked to de-roster all reps for a pensions briefing on Wednesday and afterwards the senior reps (those that can get there) will meet with Tony Woodley to agree our next steps. This is the first time we will be able to get together. I appreciate it is frustrating but we simply are not being allowed to represent you.
Since the strike many more crew have been suspended and that is something else we have to deal with. Pilots are now virtually entraping crew and any heated discussion is ending in the crew being suspended while the pilot walks free. Last night I spent much of the evening advising a WW purser who was taken off his back to back and suspended and this is not an isolated incident. This is all down to flight deck and it is no longer a small number. Frankly I am disgusted with them and will never trust them again. What this is doing to CRM is very very serious but apparently it does not seem to bother the BA management or their flight deck lackeys (I am sorry if there are any decent pilots I might have offended but not many seem to be speaking up right now and by sitting back and doing nothing you are as guilty as those doing the entraping). Many good and decent crew are now potentially facing the sack because of the shameful actions initiated by a certain captain. (We have seen his postings on the BALPA forum boasting about his arrangement with Walsh - we hope he is proud of himself).
Yes Walsh is training up volunteers, yes this is now a full assault on your jobs and yes in my opinion we should go for all out industrial action in a determined effort to bring this madman to his senses, but not everyone can see what is happening and some crew still think there are more gentler ways of resisting this dispute. Their e mails have to be answered and their worries addressed. Walsh's actions are taking us to the precipice but not everyone sees it yet. BASSA knows what needs to be done but when we do it we want all the members to be convinced there is no easier way. Quite frankly what we have now is Armageddon and it has all been caused by Walsh backed up by his pet Captain.
Please bear with us and have a little faith, as I said there will be developments this week as far as BASSA is concerned. Speaking personally I shall be pushing for an all out strike as I see no alternative now.
Over to you MM evidence based arguments
I'm not holding my breath
3000 Cabin Crew have gone on strike 4500 have not who are you gonna blame next for BASSA/UNITE failures??
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I've heard a few quotes from people over the last few months suggesting that Bassa are about to implode, based on court rulings, strike announcements, PR communications, but I never really believed they were about to fail totally.
Until now. That email from lalaland suggests someone removed from reality, uninterested in the functioning of the company and its survival, uninterested in creating a settlement through negotiation to achieve the optimum Ts and Cs for their members. They have finally expressed the views that show they see it purely as a personal fight between them, WW and the pilots. They have used their position to mislead their members into an ill-thought through dispute, which has been easily dealt with by the professionals within the company. To follow them any further would be the ultimate folly for cabin crew.
Looks like the end finally approaches.
Until now. That email from lalaland suggests someone removed from reality, uninterested in the functioning of the company and its survival, uninterested in creating a settlement through negotiation to achieve the optimum Ts and Cs for their members. They have finally expressed the views that show they see it purely as a personal fight between them, WW and the pilots. They have used their position to mislead their members into an ill-thought through dispute, which has been easily dealt with by the professionals within the company. To follow them any further would be the ultimate folly for cabin crew.
Looks like the end finally approaches.
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At the end of the day pornpants et al,you are either strikebreakers or advocating strikebreaking.I think youre more than aware where this puts you on the list of human behaviour!
According to you et al,the cause ie,BASSA,the Cabin crew etc etc are a lost cause.All sacked,all finished,all job hunting blah blah blah.
So Pornpants et all,why on earth are you peddling your tripe on here.Take the wife out for a pint for gods sake!!
According to you et al,the cause ie,BASSA,the Cabin crew etc etc are a lost cause.All sacked,all finished,all job hunting blah blah blah.
So Pornpants et all,why on earth are you peddling your tripe on here.Take the wife out for a pint for gods sake!!
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Many good and decent crew are now potentially facing the sack because of the shameful actions initiated by a certain captain. (We have seen his postings on the BALPA forum boasting about his arrangement with Walsh - we hope he is proud of himself).
What's all this about please?
Many good and decent crew are now potentially facing the sack because of the shameful actions initiated by a certain captain. (We have seen his postings on the BALPA forum boasting about his arrangement with Walsh - we hope he is proud of himself).
What's all this about please?
