British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Will BASSA announce strike dates tomorrow or do they plan to leverage ongoing negotiations with the threat of strike action hanging over BA management?
For two reasons really:
1) Its their best (only) chance of negotiating anything remotely palatable for CC. Keep BA guessing about when/how long etc... It won't gain much leverage but it at least gives them something to barter with
2) They know in their heart of hearts that as soon as they call a strike, it will get very, very messy and their yes-voting members will get pooped on from an almighty height. I don't think even UNITE/BASSA will want that. At the end of the strike/agreement BASSA will look like a complete joke - i can't see how they can win if they call the srike dates tomorrow.
Well, thats my opinion anyway. I HOPE they do call their strike tomorrow so at least we all know whats going on and we can bring the curtains down on this facade.
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The DA is Contractral, as is the EF Turnaround agreement, which is EXACTLY why they were not included in the Imposition that BA applied.
Nonetheless, they are items that still require resolution (as per my previous), and why they will be climb down requirement by BASSA before this is over.
The DA is Contractral, as is the EF Turnaround agreement, which is EXACTLY why they were not included in the Imposition that BA applied.
Nonetheless, they are items that still require resolution (as per my previous), and why they will be climb down requirement by BASSA before this is over.
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Just to point of that Staff Travel too is not a contractual benefit, but a perk, just as in other companies, offers of staff discounts in store, or a link to negotiated, reduced-price M&S goods is also a perk, and can be removed at any time.
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``The point is that if BASSA don't negotiate, then ALL previous BA offers are OFF the table. ie there are no guarantees.
Given that, why wouldn't BA go for the jugular, the 100% solution?``
Totally agree!
BASSA have to try and salvage something!
BA could easily choose to go the 100% route. Would you want a bunch of disaffected people working for you?
Thw more I read the more I think BA/WW will go all the way BASSA and their behaviuor throughout all this has left BA/WW with no other option.
I do feel sorry for the 1000`s of crew who have been so badly represented in all of this who will be affected.
Traditionally BA have always come to the negotioating tables with large `shopping lists.` As told to me by a union rep `` don`t worry though they always do that and we barter them down to what we want/agree``
This time is different!! BA`s shopping list WAS what they wanted with little or no scope for backing down and BASSA to play with.
The union seriously underestimated that intent as well as denial (which still continues,) that this is all about the current problems legacy airlines face, the state of BA`S finances and the need to change to survive.
Hence the perilous state they have put their members in.
BTW i dont think the DA and EF turnaround agreement are contractual.
``The point is that if BASSA don't negotiate, then ALL previous BA offers are OFF the table. ie there are no guarantees.
Given that, why wouldn't BA go for the jugular, the 100% solution?``
Totally agree!
BASSA have to try and salvage something!
BA could easily choose to go the 100% route. Would you want a bunch of disaffected people working for you?
Thw more I read the more I think BA/WW will go all the way BASSA and their behaviuor throughout all this has left BA/WW with no other option.
I do feel sorry for the 1000`s of crew who have been so badly represented in all of this who will be affected.
Traditionally BA have always come to the negotioating tables with large `shopping lists.` As told to me by a union rep `` don`t worry though they always do that and we barter them down to what we want/agree``
This time is different!! BA`s shopping list WAS what they wanted with little or no scope for backing down and BASSA to play with.
The union seriously underestimated that intent as well as denial (which still continues,) that this is all about the current problems legacy airlines face, the state of BA`S finances and the need to change to survive.
Hence the perilous state they have put their members in.
BTW i dont think the DA and EF turnaround agreement are contractual.
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I can see this being resolved in a day or two with something as wet as BA saying that they won’t impose anything else and we wont force existing crew onto new fleet (which was already on the table after all) and the union shouting hurrah we won and issuing buckets of their usual spin and half truths.
It is rather easy for BA to agree not to do something that they didnt intend to do anyway but the union has been scaremongering on for months, no?
- Edit - Looks like someone agrees with me: - O'Leary: BA should take on the strikers | This is Money
It is rather easy for BA to agree not to do something that they didnt intend to do anyway but the union has been scaremongering on for months, no?
- Edit - Looks like someone agrees with me: - O'Leary: BA should take on the strikers | This is Money
I should think that he knows it will be a bad thing for BA and hence a good thing for Ryanair if BASSA are allowed to live to strike (or threaten it) another day.
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I must say I expected gloating from Watersidewonker, MissM, Flying Chick, Fume event (or whatever your calling yourself this week) about the upcoming strike.
Where are you all?, I mean 80%, come on guys, bring it on!
Where are you all?, I mean 80%, come on guys, bring it on!
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I HOPE they do call their strike tomorrow so at least we all know whats going on and we can bring the curtains down on this facade.
Legally, Unite can wait until 14 March to call a strike, but I find it hard to believe that there will be such a delay.
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Like I said, I did the 1 day course and was fully trained too but at the time, the word from high was the defib was for 'full course' crew only. I can assist, collect etc, but not apply.
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I wonder if the negotiations will include reducing the number of crew needed to raise an Iwo Jima flag from four to three?
I wonder when it will be removed from the BASSA site? It's Already gone from Unite and the RM Assoc and USMC are starting to take an interest.
I wonder when it will be removed from the BASSA site? It's Already gone from Unite and the RM Assoc and USMC are starting to take an interest.
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Read below the Germans know at least know how to show respect to fellow workers. I must say I like Germans even more now after this statement are you watching balpa ????
Lufhansa pilots union the Cockpit Associaton, has condemned British Airways flight crew for training as cabin crew to help break forthcoming strike by BAs flight attendants. Cockpit Association spokesman Jorge Huereds said that BA pilots were misguided as they would soon have their own battle over low pay contracts and pensions. Our struggle with Lufthansa will be reciprocated at BA he said. I call on all union members to support each other, rather than undermining the legitimate fight of another group of enployees.
Lufhansa pilots union the Cockpit Associaton, has condemned British Airways flight crew for training as cabin crew to help break forthcoming strike by BAs flight attendants. Cockpit Association spokesman Jorge Huereds said that BA pilots were misguided as they would soon have their own battle over low pay contracts and pensions. Our struggle with Lufthansa will be reciprocated at BA he said. I call on all union members to support each other, rather than undermining the legitimate fight of another group of enployees.
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Read below the Germans know at least know how to show respect to fellow workers. I must say I like Germans even more now after this statement are you watching balpa ????
Have you actually read any of the insulting, demeaning crap aimed at pilots and written by BASSA over the years? Don't make me laugh.
Lufhansa pilots union the Cockpit Associaton, has condemned British Airways flight crew for training as cabin crew to help break forthcoming strike by BAs flight attendants. Cockpit Association spokesman Jorge Huereds said that BA pilots were misguided as they would soon have their own battle over low pay contracts and pensions. Our struggle with Lufthansa will be reciprocated at BA he said. I call on all union members to support each other, rather than undermining the legitimate fight of another group of enployees.
For the zillionth time, why should cabin crew not pull their weight?
Why should everyone else at BA make sacrifices but cabin crew not? (please dont waste your time writing about the £170 odd million savings offered that were shown to have a value of about £50 mill.)
Just for once, try to write a reasonable coherent response.
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How little changes on this forum! Not many of the users seem to be cabin crew judging by the comments I´m reading. They can´t be because no sensible crew member would be ´hoping for a strike´ as I am reading and the lunatics are elsewhere. Maybe it´s time for the moderators to take a look at this crew bashing again? Of course, there´ll be the usual platitudes from those concerned that they aren´t judging´all crew´, just the misguided ones.
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I don't want to spoil my evening after this uplifting statement from the Lufthansa pilots union by debating a great article on the current situation. If only the same kind of support could be seen within BA against union bashing the daily workplace would be a whole lot happier than at present. I think I'll drop this off at kempton tomorrow to be read out at the meeting. I'm getting excited about tomorrow as you can imagine time for sleep now.
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Enjoy your day tommorow Wonker, it could be a great day for Bassa. I hope you all get what you want. Maybe you will even have the conviction to strike, but as you have never managed to come up with a valid argument yet as to why you are striking I very much doubt it.
Oh yes according to you tommorow is the release of the master Plan...
Earth Calling all crew, Earth calling all crew.. Come in all crew your time is up
Oh yes according to you tommorow is the release of the master Plan...
Earth Calling all crew, Earth calling all crew.. Come in all crew your time is up
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Legally, Unite can wait until 14 March to call a strike, but I find it hard to believe that there will be such a delay.
My other hunch is that Willy will blink, and go for the compromise solution.
We shall see.