British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
The pilots naively believe that because some of them are volunteering as CC that they will be treated extra well by WW
the management will no doubt be demanding change of them (again) in the future, but they feel if they ( and others) don't volunteer there won't be a future for BA.
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Miss Malone's staff travel
Guys (and Gals), don't be decieved.
Miss Malone doesn't give a stuff about her staff travel.
Remember that as a paid-up member of BASSAs ruling elite, she probably has the union buying her a full-fare ticket whenever she come to do 'union business'. All she has to do is combine her 'union business' with a trip the day before/afterwards and hey presto, she can still keep her lifestyle in LA without a care in the world for all the unfortunate CC that she, and the rest of the shameful BASSA leadership, have lead down the garden path.
Miss Malone doesn't give a stuff about her staff travel.
Remember that as a paid-up member of BASSAs ruling elite, she probably has the union buying her a full-fare ticket whenever she come to do 'union business'. All she has to do is combine her 'union business' with a trip the day before/afterwards and hey presto, she can still keep her lifestyle in LA without a care in the world for all the unfortunate CC that she, and the rest of the shameful BASSA leadership, have lead down the garden path.
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Have your Say - Guardian Poll
Are cabin crew justified in striking?
Vote at the following link -
Poll | Are BA staff right to strike? | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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Poll | Are BA staff right to strike? | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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Jeremy Vine show today
Did anyone listen to it today? They had Mark Abelyard (sp?), a BASSA rep talking on the show today.
He rattled off the Union take on the strike, but also added that the stike was not only about imposition, but New Fleet - which I found quite interesting.
He also questioned Jeremy Vine on the pension deficit figures, and appeared to be in denial about how bad they were.
There was also talk that the removal of staff travel amounted to technical dismal as so many staff depend on it to get to work and this would be illegal in the UK.
He rattled off the Union take on the strike, but also added that the stike was not only about imposition, but New Fleet - which I found quite interesting.
He also questioned Jeremy Vine on the pension deficit figures, and appeared to be in denial about how bad they were.
There was also talk that the removal of staff travel amounted to technical dismal as so many staff depend on it to get to work and this would be illegal in the UK.
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Newsworthy or What
At least it helps you make a choice on where you look for unbiased (well, I suppose I am a tad biased too) reporting!
BA Strike May Ruin Welsh Youth Wind Band's New York Concert Dream | Home | Sky News
Now, this is more like it -
BA: take war to Willie Walsh|20Mar10|Socialist Worker
BA Strike May Ruin Welsh Youth Wind Band's New York Concert Dream | Home | Sky News
Now, this is more like it -
BA: take war to Willie Walsh|20Mar10|Socialist Worker
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BBC News is reporting that Unite is meeting with the Teamsters union in the US to see how they can support Unite during the strike.
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Short memories.
Hopefully the Teamsters will give them the same support that BASSA gave them during the US hotel employees strike a few years ago - a load of complaints about all the fuss and noise disturbing their rest and pickets getting in their way as they struggled back to the hotel weighed down with shopping bags. 
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OMG we are going to crash!
Wherever I have gone I have found communities of expats, It is easier to identify groups of people living together on the other side of the planet from where they all consider home. In fact, if you take a closer look wherever you are, you will find groups of like minded folk who seek each other out, (even after work), and provide each other with mutual support. It is natural, inevitable, comfortable and very human. Of course, this also goes on in the world of work.
It is comfortable to be in your own group. You share so much: experiences, jokes, shared hate-figures, even often a shared vocabulary. Groups at work are even more homogenous than others in some ways because they are doubly selected. 1) They select their area of work because they find it attractive. 2) They are selected by an employer looking for a particular skill set.
. The above applies to the BA Cabin Crew. They have been together for a long time, (some of them a very long time), and they have collectively learned that IA (the old fashioned 70’s type), works for them.
Now Pilots, remember your CRM? Remember “confirmation bias”? – We look for information that confirms that we are getting it RIGHT. And tend to dismiss information that says we are getting it wrong. (c.f. post 3123 by Two-Tone-Blue we even tend to do it with our reading habits!) Hands up anybody who thinks CRM only applies to the flight deck environment?
Yes, the CC have their own “world view” as we do ours. They find themselves in a crisis situation, (think aircraft in a spin), and they are looking for evidence that what they are doing is going to WORK AGAIN THIS TIME.
I believe that some on here are behaving more like the old fashioned screeming warning siren that was so effective in paralysing pilots to death. We, (IMHO) should be behaving like a reliable artificial horizon and provide thoughtful carefully reasoned helpful advice.
When in a tricky situation, find a source of reliable information and act on it.
Helpful analogy? What do you think?
It is comfortable to be in your own group. You share so much: experiences, jokes, shared hate-figures, even often a shared vocabulary. Groups at work are even more homogenous than others in some ways because they are doubly selected. 1) They select their area of work because they find it attractive. 2) They are selected by an employer looking for a particular skill set.
. The above applies to the BA Cabin Crew. They have been together for a long time, (some of them a very long time), and they have collectively learned that IA (the old fashioned 70’s type), works for them.
Now Pilots, remember your CRM? Remember “confirmation bias”? – We look for information that confirms that we are getting it RIGHT. And tend to dismiss information that says we are getting it wrong. (c.f. post 3123 by Two-Tone-Blue we even tend to do it with our reading habits!) Hands up anybody who thinks CRM only applies to the flight deck environment?
Yes, the CC have their own “world view” as we do ours. They find themselves in a crisis situation, (think aircraft in a spin), and they are looking for evidence that what they are doing is going to WORK AGAIN THIS TIME.
I believe that some on here are behaving more like the old fashioned screeming warning siren that was so effective in paralysing pilots to death. We, (IMHO) should be behaving like a reliable artificial horizon and provide thoughtful carefully reasoned helpful advice.
When in a tricky situation, find a source of reliable information and act on it.
Helpful analogy? What do you think?
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Sibling Solidarity
Just to add to the Teamsters debate, see the following on Bloomberg today.
American Air Attendants Ask U.S. Board for Clearance to Strike - Bloomberg.com
The interesting bits:
Are we already seeing the first synergies in the AA-BA link-up?
American Air Attendants Ask U.S. Board for Clearance to Strike - Bloomberg.com
The interesting bits:
American wants to reduce its industry-leading labor costs and raise productivity.
American has told the Federal Aviation Administration that it was considering training managers and other employees as replacement attendants in the event of a strike. In 1993, American trained about 1,300 replacements to try to keep some planes flying during a five-day walkout.
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Is anyone surprised that one trade union body would seek support from another?
What is BASSA suppose to do when they're not getting support from anywhere else?
To BASSA and all of you militant BASSA members
More and more crew are registering to come into work during the strike. BA Confidential Line is also receiving huge amount of calls from crew wanting to come into work - and they most likely will.
Staff Travel
It will be removed PERMANENTLY - BASSA will be in no position after this strike is over to negotiate it back. I think BA will give you a take it or leave it offer - either you accept it - or hand in your uniform. If you go ahead with the strike you will lose a lot things: no more doublenights downroute, fewer MBT's at base, longer days on EF for same pay, hotels would need to be downgraded, possibly further crew reductions on WW - Purser positions to be swapped to Main Crew positions - etc etc..
Trust me - you would be wishing you agreed to working one down instead - €60 million a year plus the cost of the strike - yes, you will be paying for it - it won't be very nice.
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Staff Travel
The funny thing with it, is that I was there for 13 years and I used it 5 times. If I believed in the action, then I would gladly tell BA to shove that particular benefit up its.... well you know.
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The pilots naively believe that because some of them are volunteering as CC that they will be treated extra well by WW. If they believe that they will believe anything. WW saw off the BALPA in the courts over OpenLies and this whole business will come back to bite them very hard indeed.
I, like many of the volunteers, had grave doubts whether the brand could ever extricate itself from the image of an airline that is forever dogged by strikes. We all knew that the relationship with our cabin crew colleagues would be under strain, but in my opinion, there is close to a majority of cabin crew turning up on Saturday and they seem to hold the same beliefs as we do.
If BA do go belly up I will however be putting on my CV that I volunteered. At least that would convey that I was committed to the survival of my company.
If you really can't bring yourself to work as crew, BA are looking for volunteers to taxi aircraft on Friday night and there is plenty of overtime available. Help yourself to the money on offer whilst some of your colleagues save the airline.
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So Willie your little plan seems to have hit a slight problem being so close to St Patricks day your going to be such a unhappy man. With many a plane stuck in the USA will some of the '' Can I help you '' T-shirt brigade will be getting worried about delays. Brothers and Sisters our union is going worldwide
with this problem of dictorial leadership and I suspect more trump cards will be played.
with this problem of dictorial leadership and I suspect more trump cards will be played.
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Others whose roles keep their feet mostly on the ground and have reasonably regular work patterns may feel the same about it. However, from many earlier posts on this thread I get the impression that a fairly high number of flight crew and cabin crew find that they can live a long way from their base, in the UK or abroad, and use staff travel facilities intensively to commute to and from work. The impact on their lifestyle of losing ST would be much more than an increase in the cost of occasional holidays.
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The funny thing with it, is that I was there for 13 years and I used it 5 times. If I believed in the action, then I would gladly tell BA to shove that particular benefit up its.... well you know.
The funny thing with it, is that I was there for 13 years and I used it 5 times. If I believed in the action, then I would gladly tell BA to shove that particular benefit up its.... well you know.
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I am sure that you are right, but I wonder what that number would be. If it was 3000, then that will have a huge impact from Saturday onwards. If it is 200, then not so much.
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Others whose roles keep their feet mostly on the ground and have reasonably regular work patterns may feel the same about it. However, from many earlier posts on this thread I get the impression that a fairly high number of flight crew and cabin crew find that they can live a long way from their base, in the UK or abroad, and use staff travel facilities intensively to commute to and from work. The impact on their lifestyle of losing ST would be much more than an increase in the cost of occasional holidays.
Others whose roles keep their feet mostly on the ground and have reasonably regular work patterns may feel the same about it. However, from many earlier posts on this thread I get the impression that a fairly high number of flight crew and cabin crew find that they can live a long way from their base, in the UK or abroad, and use staff travel facilities intensively to commute to and from work. The impact on their lifestyle of losing ST would be much more than an increase in the cost of occasional holidays.