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Any German speakers here? Perhaps we can put this to rest.
Unless it's somewhere else, which seems not to be the case according to the search that was done, I certainly can't see anything remotely about it in the recent press releases. WWW never clarified whether this was a press release - and it certainly isn't on the site - but merely said it was a statement made. I can't see one on the site and would be interested where and to whom this statement was made.
after this uplifting statement from the Lufthansa pilots union by debating a great article on the current situation.
If you google his name and British Airways, guess what, this thread comes up top. But I do know where it's been said.
The only reference to this is that he reportedly said this. Where? The only place is on Unite's website. Which contradicts itself by saying that he reportedly said it to them. Well, either he did or he didn't say it. They really should choose imho. Either that or it's lousy grammar and they're saying they followed up on what he apparently said regarding BA and that they got an additional quote, in which case they could surely have confirmed whether he gave the original statement.
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I will give a clue about the Lufthansa story perhaps a search of recent TV interviews will throw up some light on this subject. I have greater respect for our friends at Lufthansa than a few within our downward thinking company with it's use of ' can I help you t-shirts '. Time will tell and don't think the wee man will leave other sections alone and we haven't even mentioned the pension yet.
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No, really, we are bored. Post the link and stop this chirade.
I care less about Lufthansa flight crew and more about the inability of purported representatives to engage in adult negotiations.
I care less about Lufthansa flight crew and more about the inability of purported representatives to engage in adult negotiations.
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I will give a clue
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we haven't even mentioned the pension yet
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BASSA have put out a clarifying message to members regarding the Lufthansa article, it has been forwarded to me.
It uses words such as "Mr Jorg Handwerg is reported to have said" note the use of the word "reported"
further is goes on; "He also told UNITE"
Who at UNITE, and how many heard him say it? At the moment its basically hearsay.
A colleague of mine whom has membership of the REUTERS website has been in communication with them and as of now they have been unable to substantiate the claims made in the BASSA news article. That's not to say they won't be able to.
Until something more substantial is produced I will treat this as just typical BASSA bluster. Embellish a personal statement(spell the authors name wrong) that cannot be substantiated (later claiming that it was, perhaps lost in translation) then attribute it to a well known and prestigious news organisation to add to its authenticity............ damage done!
It uses words such as "Mr Jorg Handwerg is reported to have said" note the use of the word "reported"
further is goes on; "He also told UNITE"
Who at UNITE, and how many heard him say it? At the moment its basically hearsay.
A colleague of mine whom has membership of the REUTERS website has been in communication with them and as of now they have been unable to substantiate the claims made in the BASSA news article. That's not to say they won't be able to.
Until something more substantial is produced I will treat this as just typical BASSA bluster. Embellish a personal statement(spell the authors name wrong) that cannot be substantiated (later claiming that it was, perhaps lost in translation) then attribute it to a well known and prestigious news organisation to add to its authenticity............ damage done!
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Of course they havent mentioned it. Nor have they said that we are in a "consultation period" over the pensions.
Heck, that could mean talks, negotiations...........
Of course they havent mentioned it. Nor have they said that we are in a "consultation period" over the pensions.
Heck, that could mean talks, negotiations...........
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While your on....... could you give us one of your one-liners about why the great video, two high ranking BASSA reps had made, has disappeared.
Sorry ,could we have another one liner as to the recent TV interview you refer?
Sorry ,could we have another one liner as to the recent TV interview you refer?
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Chuchinchow.
I could not care less what you think .I can tell you it IS fact some cabin crew that i have met over the years have worked as Doctors,Lawyers,and Dentists prior to joining BA. Why they have chosen the BA path i don't know. I have nothing to gain by posting lies.Seems to me the mentality on this forum is becoming like the BASSA website and CF .I disagree with IA and can't abide BASSA (don't get me started) but i will not tar all cabin crew with the same brush.I know many hard working and decent crew who are against BASSA and IA.People change careers for all sorts of reasons working as cabin crew for BA is not that bad if you want to try something else for a few years.
I could not care less what you think .I can tell you it IS fact some cabin crew that i have met over the years have worked as Doctors,Lawyers,and Dentists prior to joining BA. Why they have chosen the BA path i don't know. I have nothing to gain by posting lies.Seems to me the mentality on this forum is becoming like the BASSA website and CF .I disagree with IA and can't abide BASSA (don't get me started) but i will not tar all cabin crew with the same brush.I know many hard working and decent crew who are against BASSA and IA.People change careers for all sorts of reasons working as cabin crew for BA is not that bad if you want to try something else for a few years.
British Airways strikes stall as bitter rows divide union | Mail Online
From the above article:
So, what has changed then that there is so much backpedalling now? Which item, amongst the many clearly 'signposted' in the last year, has only now just become obvious to the noisy militant herd that have followed Little BASSA Bo Peep? Where is the cry of "BASSA 100%" or "Willie is going to get a kicking"? What has happened now to cause such a shift in opinion?
From the above article:
One, who admitted voting for a strike, said: 'But I am begging, imploring our hard-working reps to please find a way through this stand-off. I firmly now believe we will not win.' Another said: 'I won't be striking. I'm not happy that things are changing and I don't want to lose money... but I can not afford to lose my job.'
And cabin crew member 'Chief bottle washer' said: 'Most crew I speak to want a negotiated agreement rather than a strike.'
And cabin crew member 'Chief bottle washer' said: 'Most crew I speak to want a negotiated agreement rather than a strike.'
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I second Weather Map - there are some highly educated cabin crew members in BA with degrees in medicine, nursing, law, finance and commerce to mention a few.
Hopefully it was too late for BASSA to remove those videos from YouTube - yesterday an informative email was sent - by whom I won't say - to around 10 UK newspapers. The public needs to understand what kind of a union this is and sort of values its "representatives" have.
Hopefully it was too late for BASSA to remove those videos from YouTube - yesterday an informative email was sent - by whom I won't say - to around 10 UK newspapers. The public needs to understand what kind of a union this is and sort of values its "representatives" have.
baggers...
..... we see this all repeated all over again--because all the same players are still in their same positions with their same opinions and loyalties--the next time BA have to make an adjustment or savings in the Cabin Crew area
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My two-penneth worth is one of two scenarios:
First, BASSA announce strike dates, BA says it is forced to change the existing terms and conditions of its Cabin Crew.
Second, BASSA don't announce strike dates, BA says it is forced to change the existing terms and conditions of its Cabin Crew due to the continued uncertainty.
My two-penneth worth is one of two scenarios:
First, BASSA announce strike dates, BA says it is forced to change the existing terms and conditions of its Cabin Crew.
Second, BASSA don't announce strike dates, BA says it is forced to change the existing terms and conditions of its Cabin Crew due to the continued uncertainty.
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baggers up and andy
refer you to post 1508 for my views
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``WW can`t let BASSA/UNITE decimate forward bookings this way.
I think he will give BASSA final ultimatum to negotiate within a time frame........Monday next week?
Then.............
All legacy crew will be given 90 day SOSR of changes to their contracts/agreements as put to BASSA. With the safeguards and guarantees they have already given.
BASSA/UNITE then have to strike. Which in effect forces crew into a take it or leave it situation.
All the strikers will be dismissed.
Then he will know how many people he has and exactly what schedule he can run as he recruits and starts the new fleet.
BASSA sorted Financial requirements sorted Public and remainder of BA staff on his side as well as .of course the board, the city and the customers.``
refer you to post 1508 for my views
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``WW can`t let BASSA/UNITE decimate forward bookings this way.
I think he will give BASSA final ultimatum to negotiate within a time frame........Monday next week?
Then.............
All legacy crew will be given 90 day SOSR of changes to their contracts/agreements as put to BASSA. With the safeguards and guarantees they have already given.
BASSA/UNITE then have to strike. Which in effect forces crew into a take it or leave it situation.
All the strikers will be dismissed.
Then he will know how many people he has and exactly what schedule he can run as he recruits and starts the new fleet.
BASSA sorted Financial requirements sorted Public and remainder of BA staff on his side as well as .of course the board, the city and the customers.``
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What's the point of a strike? The odds are not really that hight that it would be a successful one - and looking at BASSA's incompetence so far makes me me seriously doubt they can pull it off.
Around 7000 have voted in favour for a strike - 5000 have not.
We can assume that not all of those 7000 will actually BE striking. Reasons:
1. Out on a trip - Most of the crew are probably hoping that they will be - including those reps who tried to have their rosters changed in December.
2. Lack of courage - It takes a lot of courage to strike.
3. Financial reasons - Crew with a 9 day SIN/SYD will be tempted to go into work. What's strike pay worth £30 a day compared to allowances worth almost £1000?
4. Everyone else can do it - Thinking that there will be enough crew striking and if I go to work won't make a difference.
5. Fear - Unknown consequences involved for going on a strike.
6. Commuting crew - Losing staff travel for life and how will they get to work in the future? Of course there are crew saying BASSA will be insisting on BA reinstating staff travel before they agree to any deal.
Question to number 6 - do you think BASSA will be in any position to make such demands? There are thousands of unemployed skilled crew in the country who would happily fill any existing gap for striking commuting crew who won't be able to get to work for withdrawing their labour.
Cranebank is crowded with people training to crew aircraft - this is what BA has:
- Pilots.
- Non-union cabin crew.
- No-voting cabin crew.
- Yes-voting cabin crew who will be working - not doubting a second the recently promoted PSRs to CSD belong to this group.
- ICC from all over the world - eligible to operate as ICCM.
- Ex-temporary cabin crew.
- Ground staff.
What does it mean? I would say it looks like a majority situation because there is NO WAY all yes-voting 7000 will be striking - excluding those out on a trip.
To the militant crew - BA is not putting anyone at risk by bringing in staff to operate as cabin crew. Passengers will not die and planes will not crash. Remember, they are actually in TRAINING to learn the job - same as you once were. Their SEP and AVMED knowledge will be 100% as they are fresh and straight out of training - some of you who have been flying for 20 years cannot even locate a BCF - less know how to use one. I have been with BA for 15 years and the lack of knowledge amongst some of you is extremely worrying.
Passengers will not be upset about not "receiving" the same service - Personally I think they will be happy that they are getting to their destination.
Please - go on a strike which some of you have been rambling about for almost a year - and face the consequences that comes along with it. Once it's all over you will be hoping you had settled with working one down.
Around 7000 have voted in favour for a strike - 5000 have not.
We can assume that not all of those 7000 will actually BE striking. Reasons:
1. Out on a trip - Most of the crew are probably hoping that they will be - including those reps who tried to have their rosters changed in December.
2. Lack of courage - It takes a lot of courage to strike.
3. Financial reasons - Crew with a 9 day SIN/SYD will be tempted to go into work. What's strike pay worth £30 a day compared to allowances worth almost £1000?
4. Everyone else can do it - Thinking that there will be enough crew striking and if I go to work won't make a difference.
5. Fear - Unknown consequences involved for going on a strike.
6. Commuting crew - Losing staff travel for life and how will they get to work in the future? Of course there are crew saying BASSA will be insisting on BA reinstating staff travel before they agree to any deal.
Question to number 6 - do you think BASSA will be in any position to make such demands? There are thousands of unemployed skilled crew in the country who would happily fill any existing gap for striking commuting crew who won't be able to get to work for withdrawing their labour.
Cranebank is crowded with people training to crew aircraft - this is what BA has:
- Pilots.
- Non-union cabin crew.
- No-voting cabin crew.
- Yes-voting cabin crew who will be working - not doubting a second the recently promoted PSRs to CSD belong to this group.
- ICC from all over the world - eligible to operate as ICCM.
- Ex-temporary cabin crew.
- Ground staff.
What does it mean? I would say it looks like a majority situation because there is NO WAY all yes-voting 7000 will be striking - excluding those out on a trip.
To the militant crew - BA is not putting anyone at risk by bringing in staff to operate as cabin crew. Passengers will not die and planes will not crash. Remember, they are actually in TRAINING to learn the job - same as you once were. Their SEP and AVMED knowledge will be 100% as they are fresh and straight out of training - some of you who have been flying for 20 years cannot even locate a BCF - less know how to use one. I have been with BA for 15 years and the lack of knowledge amongst some of you is extremely worrying.
Passengers will not be upset about not "receiving" the same service - Personally I think they will be happy that they are getting to their destination.
Please - go on a strike which some of you have been rambling about for almost a year - and face the consequences that comes along with it. Once it's all over you will be hoping you had settled with working one down.
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@ WeatherMap and Winston
Having read ( not analysed ) WM post, I also got the impression he was saying there were lots of these high-earners, highly-trained professionals working as BA CC which struck me as a little odd.
There is a site calle Army Rumour Service > > British Army Rumour Service Home which is military and has connections to to Pprune via the Aircrew section. Therein are significant posts about "Walts" ( from Walter Mitty ) which basically means a cook says he is in the SAS to boost his status.
That's the impression.
Having read ( not analysed ) WM post, I also got the impression he was saying there were lots of these high-earners, highly-trained professionals working as BA CC which struck me as a little odd.
There is a site calle Army Rumour Service > > British Army Rumour Service Home which is military and has connections to to Pprune via the Aircrew section. Therein are significant posts about "Walts" ( from Walter Mitty ) which basically means a cook says he is in the SAS to boost his status.
That's the impression.
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I cannot believe BA is paying to advertise on cf where the only captive audience is a bunch of deluded individuals inflicting financial disaster to the company they are working for.