British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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Ben,
It was a post about the "survey" on the bassa forum, where members are asked how long they think the strike should last.
Not scientific, big or clever, but then again, we're used to that by now.
Gg
It was a post about the "survey" on the bassa forum, where members are asked how long they think the strike should last.
Not scientific, big or clever, but then again, we're used to that by now.
Gg
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Well I think it came and went very rapidly. I believe it was saying that of the crew that had voted 2,800 had voted for a 10-12 day stoppage and that accounted for 26% of voters. It may have been mischief-making and has been moderated out. But anyway, I should be doing more important things like sleeping as it may have been hallucination, so over and out!
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unless you are refering to a BASSA poll on our BASSA web site.
I am sure if u ask any of the so called bassa members on here ,they would only be too happy to cut and paste the information for you.
I am sure if u ask any of the so called bassa members on here ,they would only be too happy to cut and paste the information for you.
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No, I'm certainly not bitter. Think we might have to start doing some clearing up of definitions. Possibly even some maths lessons as well. Do you really reckon 2,800 votes is a majority???
Again, I'll say that I'm not bitter. Not in the slightest. I'm annoyed with bassa/unite for doing what they've been doing. I'm angry with a minority of crew who seem hell-bent on ruining this airline, and I'm disappointed to learn that "colleagues" of mine have an appalling attitude.
Gg
Ps. Can't wait to hear how the talks went...
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Some of u may be unite, but WE are ALL BA, get it?
Popcorn ready, 3d specs, a copy of jpm's and a CEO who is prepared to make the cc react to weather disruption like, eh let me think, the rest of the entire industry! Better than avator.
So 'ba' making 'concilitory' gestures thus enabling unite (without the bassa clowns) to talk direct to ww. Will that be the ignoring of lala and the getting on with running of the company in a way that ensures we suffer the least amount of cost during disruption and not lala's most? I so very much hope so.
20 reps suspended/gone and unite looking like it's saving it's own ass, I'll be bidding for la's just to meet her. Looking forward to her 'informing' me that she will 'require' a jumpseat and if on the flightdeck the use of the bunks. I'm sure she will understand if i take the same flexible stance that she has been taking recently.
Save yourself my cc friends. Engage the grey matter, look around, smell the coffee. The interests of a small corrupt few are driving you all to new fleet at a pace that increases every day. Ask yourself why did the reps attempt to de-roster themselves during the original proposed dates? To serve you better? Why does lala refuse to accept that she is responsible for the humiliation in the high court? To protect your status and positions? And finally ask yourself why has the share price stayed largely static? Because the city expects you to win this ludicrous attempt to dictate policy and product to your employers?
The snow wasn't a gift of divine retribution from a bassa supporting deity, it was your chance to prove that bassa, whilst serving your best interest, could respond to exceptional operational events in a manner that whilst remaining completely legal and safe would best serve our passengers and limit the losses incurred. Did they? Are you suprised ww decided enough was enough?
It's over, protect yourself, if you are asked to react flexibly and legally to the disruption then ask yourself if you'll look back from the dole queue and think this was the time to make a stand to preserve the unacceptable and frankly ridiculous status of your union reps.
So 'ba' making 'concilitory' gestures thus enabling unite (without the bassa clowns) to talk direct to ww. Will that be the ignoring of lala and the getting on with running of the company in a way that ensures we suffer the least amount of cost during disruption and not lala's most? I so very much hope so.
20 reps suspended/gone and unite looking like it's saving it's own ass, I'll be bidding for la's just to meet her. Looking forward to her 'informing' me that she will 'require' a jumpseat and if on the flightdeck the use of the bunks. I'm sure she will understand if i take the same flexible stance that she has been taking recently.
Save yourself my cc friends. Engage the grey matter, look around, smell the coffee. The interests of a small corrupt few are driving you all to new fleet at a pace that increases every day. Ask yourself why did the reps attempt to de-roster themselves during the original proposed dates? To serve you better? Why does lala refuse to accept that she is responsible for the humiliation in the high court? To protect your status and positions? And finally ask yourself why has the share price stayed largely static? Because the city expects you to win this ludicrous attempt to dictate policy and product to your employers?
The snow wasn't a gift of divine retribution from a bassa supporting deity, it was your chance to prove that bassa, whilst serving your best interest, could respond to exceptional operational events in a manner that whilst remaining completely legal and safe would best serve our passengers and limit the losses incurred. Did they? Are you suprised ww decided enough was enough?
It's over, protect yourself, if you are asked to react flexibly and legally to the disruption then ask yourself if you'll look back from the dole queue and think this was the time to make a stand to preserve the unacceptable and frankly ridiculous status of your union reps.
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The union came up with a proposal which we as members would have voted on.
That's how it works not just at BA but at any other unions....
Do you honestly believe that if we were to ask each member what we should negotiate on, we would all come up with the same thing?
May I ask you what is the point of having a 0 in the poll?
if you don't want to strike you simply put an x on the no box in the ballot.
That's how it works not just at BA but at any other unions....
Do you honestly believe that if we were to ask each member what we should negotiate on, we would all come up with the same thing?
May I ask you what is the point of having a 0 in the poll?
if you don't want to strike you simply put an x on the no box in the ballot.
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As far as I'm concerned, the point of having a survey, is to let everyone have a chance to put their opinion. Even no-voters, shock horror 
Did you vote on the union's proposal? And by that, I don't mean the ballot, but the (IMO) outrageous proposal with the cost savings which pwc proved to be untrue.
When a union represents (in this instance) thousands of members, it is important to ask the members what they think. Yes, there would've been lots of different opinions, but it would've given the union a good indication as to what the members wanted. Then it's fairly easy to go ahead with the most popular suggestions.
Simple, really, when one thinks about it.
Gg
Did you vote on the union's proposal? And by that, I don't mean the ballot, but the (IMO) outrageous proposal with the cost savings which pwc proved to be untrue.
When a union represents (in this instance) thousands of members, it is important to ask the members what they think. Yes, there would've been lots of different opinions, but it would've given the union a good indication as to what the members wanted. Then it's fairly easy to go ahead with the most popular suggestions.
Simple, really, when one thinks about it.
Gg
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but the (IMO) outrageous proposal with the cost savings which pwc proved to be untrue.
it should have been an indipendent company who would be familiar with airline contracual affairs and picked by both parties not just the one. right I am off to bed now.
on a bright note, lets hope the talks will continue.
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I didn't say non-voters, I said no-voters. As in voting no.
The current poll doesn't have the option for "no" or "0", so not a relevant survey, as it doesn't allow for everyone's opinions.
Gg
Edited to add: Can I recommend that you don't post anything libellious towards PWC? It's a well respected company, and not just in the UK. There is no way they'll put their reputation on the line for BA. Also, unite has admitted officially that their initial proposal was estimated too high. We've gone through this before - several times.
Sleep well.
The current poll doesn't have the option for "no" or "0", so not a relevant survey, as it doesn't allow for everyone's opinions.
Gg
Edited to add: Can I recommend that you don't post anything libellious towards PWC? It's a well respected company, and not just in the UK. There is no way they'll put their reputation on the line for BA. Also, unite has admitted officially that their initial proposal was estimated too high. We've gone through this before - several times.
Sleep well.
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Edited to add: Can I recommend that you don't post anything libellious towards PWC? It's a well respected company, and not just in the UK. There is no way they'll put their reputation on the line for BA. Also, unite has admitted officially that their initial proposal was estimated too high. We've gone through this before - several times.
yes, just like you say we have been through this several times but it was you that brought it up again
sleep well
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I didn't say non-voters, I said no-voters. As in voting no.
like I said before if you don't want a strike, you simply vote no next time the ballot comes around. simple.
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Well Tiramisu, we are looking for volunteers if u are interested...
Some of us have volunteered as it happens, directly to our Managers. That's who CSD's report to. Not to BASSA though.
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Originally Posted by romans44
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but the (IMO) outrageous proposal with the cost savings which pwc proved to be untrue.
as far as I am concerne their opinion is worth nothing.
it should have been an indipendent company who would be familiar with airline contracual affairs and picked by both parties not just the one
but the (IMO) outrageous proposal with the cost savings which pwc proved to be untrue.
as far as I am concerne their opinion is worth nothing.
it should have been an indipendent company who would be familiar with airline contracual affairs and picked by both parties not just the one
Initialing claiming it was worth £174M, then with less fanfare during a Unite presentation to the city they had reduced this to £100M and most recently in one of the numerous ramblings from Lalalady over Christmas it had reduced again to almost the same as PWC value.
You also have to remember this was only offered as a loan, fully repayable after two years. (and only two thirds of IFCE's target!)
The truth is out there!
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as far as I am concerne (sic) their opinion is worth nothing.
it should have been an indipendent (sic) company who would be familiar with airline contracual (sic) affairs and picked by both parties not just the one. right I am off to bed now.
it should have been an indipendent (sic) company who would be familiar with airline contracual (sic) affairs and picked by both parties not just the one. right I am off to bed now.
They were right. BASSA know it and I suspect you do too, even if you won't admit it.
These continual BASSA lies are the problem.
on a bright note, lets hope the talks will continue.
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PERRY-OAKS - is that fact? Where have you seen these Bassa acknowledgements of the true cost? If it is true then all CC should be told after all the mis-information by their union.
Just infuriating - they should be prosecuted!
Just infuriating - they should be prosecuted!
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Back to the disruption agreement....
I have a question for romans44 and A Lurker:
From the Crew Forum:
From a Unite press release:
Who's running your show, guys? From the above, it would appear BASSA are being overruled by Unite again.
Now, remind me who is taking part in the new talks with BA?
Game over very soon, I reckon.
From the Crew Forum:
I have been informed that BA asked lalalady today for implementation of the disruption agreement. She refused. BA have ignored procedures and now IMPOSED the disruption agreement.
Unite have said they will suspend their normal agreements for the next 4 days to give passengers the best possible opportunity of reaching their destinations. A spokesman said "we only ever have the best interests of our passengers at heart and wish to demonstrate our total commitment to them.
Now, remind me who is taking part in the new talks with BA?
Game over very soon, I reckon.
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From a Unite press release:
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Unite have said they will suspend their normal agreements for the next 4 days to give passengers the best possible opportunity of reaching their destinations. A spokesman said "we only ever have the best interests of our passengers at heart and wish to demonstrate our total commitment to them.
Who's running your show, guys? From the above, it would appear BASSA are being overruled by Unite again.
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Unite have said they will suspend their normal agreements for the next 4 days to give passengers the best possible opportunity of reaching their destinations. A spokesman said "we only ever have the best interests of our passengers at heart and wish to demonstrate our total commitment to them.
Who's running your show, guys? From the above, it would appear BASSA are being overruled by Unite again.