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Ill post it again
My bold. Club world up by 1.6% but overall traffic up by only 0.1%.
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Ill post it again
From the BA Press Office Website British Airways - Press Office
Summary of the headline figures
In December 2009, passenger capacity, measured in Available Seat Kilometres, was 4.2 per cent below December 2008. Traffic, measured in Revenue Passenger Kilometres, fell by 4.0 per cent. This resulted in a passenger load factor increase of 0.1 points versus last year, to 76.8 per cent. Traffic comprised a 0.7 per cent decrease in premium traffic and a 4.6 per cent decrease in non-premium traffic. Within premium, Club World was up 1.6 per cent. Despite severe weather in the month, 98 per cent of flights operated.
Cargo, measured in Cargo Tonne Kilometres, rose by 7.2 per cent.
Summary of the headline figures
In December 2009, passenger capacity, measured in Available Seat Kilometres, was 4.2 per cent below December 2008. Traffic, measured in Revenue Passenger Kilometres, fell by 4.0 per cent. This resulted in a passenger load factor increase of 0.1 points versus last year, to 76.8 per cent. Traffic comprised a 0.7 per cent decrease in premium traffic and a 4.6 per cent decrease in non-premium traffic. Within premium, Club World was up 1.6 per cent. Despite severe weather in the month, 98 per cent of flights operated.
Cargo, measured in Cargo Tonne Kilometres, rose by 7.2 per cent.
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Guys - Load Factor is a bad metric to use when looking at the financal health of an airline - anyone can get 100% LF - charge £1 per seat. In this context its yield thats important ie the difference between making a profit or a loss on a flight
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If you mean that December's traffic was up on November's then I appologise but it was not how I read your post. I would have thought that December would always be a busier month than Nov or Jan for that matter. After all thats why Bassa chose the 12 days of Christmas in order to screw the most people
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If you mean that December's traffic was up on November's then I appologise but it was not how I read your post. I would have thought that December would always be a busier month than Nov or Jan for that matter. After all thats why Bassa chose the 12 days of Christmas in order to screw the most people
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A Lurker however you cut it BA is haemorrhaging money. The actions of BASSA are certainly not helping that and over the Christmas Period may have actually exacerbated the situation.
Posting BASSA "State Controlled" Galley FM on here is not going to convince anyone that the actions taken/threatened by a large portion of Cabin Crew at BA, due to a great deal of misleading information from senior BASSA reps, is sensible or proportionate.
Posting BASSA "State Controlled" Galley FM on here is not going to convince anyone that the actions taken/threatened by a large portion of Cabin Crew at BA, due to a great deal of misleading information from senior BASSA reps, is sensible or proportionate.
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In which dictionary was that definition given, the BASSA flexible?
in my Oxford it states:
Regime: Method or system of Government, prevailing system of things.
For your information the word regime is used to distinguish what is actually being enforced from what is considered legitimate. Im my opinion regime fits our current management quite nicely.
in my Oxford it states:
Regime: Method or system of Government, prevailing system of things.
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In which dictionary was that definition given, the BASSA flexible?
in my Oxford it states:
Regime: Method or system of Government, prevailing system of things.
in my Oxford it states:
Regime: Method or system of Government, prevailing system of things.
Politics
In politics, a regime is the form of government: the set of rules, cultural or social norms, etc. that regulate the operation of government and its interactions with society. For instance, the United States has one of the oldest regimes still active in the world, dating to the ratification of its Constitution in 1789. Although modern usage often gives the term a negative connotation, like an authoritarian one, Webster's definition clearly states that the word "regime" refers simply to a form of government.[2]
The term is also used to distinguish what is actually being enforced from what is considered legitimate. Enforcement of an unconstitutional statute would be a regime but not a law.
State and statute: In general where people are made to statute and salute the government on a daily basis or live under the government's guidelines where idealism took dictative roles is a regime. In a regime, over time, ideological warfares dogmatize thought, replace politics with its own interests, and carries a large presence of hardliners in top positions. The dogmatism of the ideology outwhelmes all other interests.
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I must have led a sheltered life: I have never heard the word used as a negative connotation. But then perhaps I am old fashioned in outlook prefering dictionary definitions as indicated by your own reference to Websters. But then I regret the loss of the word "fewer" and the gaining usage incorrectly of "less" We clearly live in different circles.
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Below are a selection of quotes from yourself which are based on BASSA hearsay and conjecture, are you the only one guilty of such things - no. Both sides of the debate are guilty of posting opinion disguised as fact but please, I respect your ability to fight your corner well and to have your say, but to say that you don't base some of your posts on Galley FM (or BASSA rumours) is not entirely true.
Market Rate plus 10%
Your new rate of pay will start as soon as possible if BA win this fight
Ahhhhhh yes - but then of course BA will have to pay every longhaul crew member the agreed payment for working one down since the date of imposition. Plus BA will have then to agree the new working routines with the trades unions as per our agreements.
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Where does it say anywhere in the entire universe that we are going to be "put onto new rates of pay"?
When you've found it, can you please tell me WHAT my new rate of pay is going to be?
When you've done that, can you please tell me WHEN my new rate of pay is going to start?
Where does it say anywhere in the entire universe that we are going to be "put onto new rates of pay"?
When you've found it, can you please tell me WHAT my new rate of pay is going to be?
When you've done that, can you please tell me WHEN my new rate of pay is going to start?
Your new rate of pay will start as soon as possible if BA win this fight
We have been through this time and time again - in many many posts - the changes are contractual
Ahhhhhh yes - but then of course BA will have to pay every longhaul crew member the agreed payment for working one down since the date of imposition. Plus BA will have then to agree the new working routines with the trades unions as per our agreements.
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A. Lurker - does it not strike you as odd that all other departments have come to an agreement with management other than cabin crew? Perhaps the fault lies with BASSA rather than the management?
As for our management and leadership team, I do not always agree with them. However, to refer to them as a joke is nothing short of insulting. BA have survived when many airlines have not. You have a job when many other cabin crew (on far lesser T and C's than you) have not. Perhaps it is BASSA that is the joke this time?
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CYM: Yield defined.
Sorry to correct you but yield is not the difference between fare paid and the cost. Yield is defined as the average fare paid per pax when you divide total revenue by the total pax numbers flown for a given period. I guess this thread is straying, my apologies.
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I could go on, just got bored.
Other unions listened, NEGOTIATED, and came away with an acceptable solution to both parties that might help ensure their future employment, terms and conditions.
It's not hard, it just takes a little humility.
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I'm really not sure where you get your figures from. The latest BA published stats show the December 2009 Load Factor to be 76.8% and the December 2008 figure to be 76.7%.
Where does your figure of 1.9% come from when you say
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For the umpteenth time it is VLY not from the previous month
Where does your figure of 1.9% come from when you say
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN - THE ORIGINAL POSTING WAS ABOUT DECEMBERS FIGURES NOT YEARLY FIGURES - LOAD FACTOR MONTH COMPARED TO MONTH UP 1.9%
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No, it's because they lost 2 court hearings, because they made basic legal errors in preparing their ballot, because they think PWC are corrupt, because they thought their cost reductions added to £173million, then £100 million, then £50million, because they said they were striking with a heavy heart yet stood cheering as soon as the strike ballot was announced, because their leaders wanted a fist fight in the car park, because they said the recession was a temporary blip, because they believe they should have hands on operational control of their department, because they won't be flexible in the face of the worst snow in 30 years, because.........
Good God, when it is all written down, I feel quite sick.
I am BA cabin crew and the above is my own view and not that of BA.
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Can you not see the damage you are doing to the Company [or don't you care]?
Do you militants really think another airline will employ you [or are you financially secure]?
How do you think the travelling public, who pay your wages, actually feel about this [or don't you care about customers either]?
It's always easy to blame the innocent ones instead of the guilty ones. Of course management is not to blame over this. Of course not. Never! Why should they get any blame?
God, this is a madhouse 
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It's always easy to blame the innocent ones instead of the guilty ones. Of course management is not to blame over this. Of course not. Never! Why should they get any blame?
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say that UNITE are totally innocent in all this?
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say that "Yes PWC must truly be a corrupt company"? (They are not)
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say that "Yes, High Court Judges only rule according to their own personal travel plans."? (They do not)
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say that "Yes, BA Management (and IATA, the FT, etc) are lying about the recession"? (They are not)
Miss M, we are not saying these things to make you feel bad. We are saying them TO SAVE OUR JOBS. You say you care about your life. What life will that be, if BA goes under? What life will that be if we get the 90 days notice to change our contract?
At the moment OUR LIVES ARE NOT AFFECTED. Please do not tell me that working one crew member down is affecting our lives. It is not. So therefore, what on earth are you fighting for?
You were going on strike about imposition. Now, Unite are talking, and imposition is still there. So does that now mean the strike was a farce? How do you feel about that Miss M? I mean here we are still with imposition and Unite haven't done what they promised it's members. Personally I'm glad that they're talking, but it just shows Unite to be full of even more false promises.
So you have still have imposition, and the Union are talking. Errrr, why couldn't they have done that in July, Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec????
I am BA cabin crew and the above represents my own view and not that of BA.
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Yes, I can put my hand on my heart and say that BA are not lying in this. There is a recession on and we have to save money.
Yes, I can put my hand on my heart and say that BA have acted reasonably in all of this. They have made Voluntary redundancies. They have taken one crew member off an aircraft. They have as promised, "minimised the effect on me personally."
Your turn now Lurker. Answer the questions, without another question, if you can.
Yes, I can put my hand on my heart and say that BA have acted reasonably in all of this. They have made Voluntary redundancies. They have taken one crew member off an aircraft. They have as promised, "minimised the effect on me personally."
Your turn now Lurker. Answer the questions, without another question, if you can.