British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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Taken from The Aviation Herald of 30 December 2009:
What a remarkably similar incident to the one experienced by your colleagues. Imagine, even the departing and divert airports were the same. What a coincidence! And how fortunate Swiss seems to attract a higher calibre of medical professional than BA.
Perhaps you can add some links to reputable media sources to verify your story?
Express,
FYI as you replied to Lurker on this.
Taken from The Aviation Herald of 30 December 2009:
A Swiss Airbus A340-300, registration HB-JMN performing flight LX-93 from Sao Paulo Guarulhos,SP (Brazil) to Zurich (Switzerland), was enroute about 80 minutes into the flight, when a female passenger (25) on board suffered symptoms similiar to a heart attack prompting the flight crew to divert to Recife,PE (Brazil). A doctor on board provided first aid suspecting a pulmonary embolism and was able to stabilize the passenger. The crew advised medical services while on approach, that the woman didn't feel her lower limbs. The airplane landed safely in Recife about 3 hours after departure, the passenger was taken to a local hospital.
The airplane reached Zurich with a delay of 3.5 hours.
The airplane reached Zurich with a delay of 3.5 hours.
What a remarkably similar incident to the one experienced by your colleagues. Imagine, even the departing and divert airports were the same. What a coincidence! And how fortunate Swiss seems to attract a higher calibre of medical professional than BA.
Perhaps you can add some links to reputable media sources to verify your story?
Express,
FYI as you replied to Lurker on this.
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Not from a media source, but from a BA "source" (and it's not cabin Crew) I can indeed confirm that BA's Thursday evenings LHR-GRU flight did divert into REC with a medical emergency and then continued on to GRU - so there appears to be at least some basis to the story.
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Sussex2 re. crewing aircaft
If ST is taken away from anyone going on strike, and given that BA depends heavily on commuters for crew, then how are they going to crew aircraft, even in the short term. There's not an endless supply of bods from the office.
Certain sections of the media are reporting up to 3000 volunteers so far, (unconfirmed). There are a growing amount of crew who don't agree/support IA and a growing number who simply do not belong to a union any more, a lot posting on this forum.
I think the onus is on the individual, not the company.
There are plenty out there who would love to come and work for us, see post #2400 for example.
What do you think?
(My thoughts as usual, not representative of my employer or any other) party
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The letter says that if there is a vote to reject strike action, the company will continue to offer assurances that would allow cabin crew to keep:
* their current individual terms and conditions
* their current pay, with increment rises for most crew of between two per cent and seven per cent this financial year and next
* their average variable pay (allowances) through the offer of a monthly standard payment
* their options for voluntary lifestyle changes, either through changing fleets at Heathrow or transferring to part time
* a commitment from the company to keep talking with Unite about how it recruits new crew .
* full union representation with an offer from the company for Unite to represent future crew.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT???
* their current individual terms and conditions
* their current pay, with increment rises for most crew of between two per cent and seven per cent this financial year and next
* their average variable pay (allowances) through the offer of a monthly standard payment
* their options for voluntary lifestyle changes, either through changing fleets at Heathrow or transferring to part time
* a commitment from the company to keep talking with Unite about how it recruits new crew .
* full union representation with an offer from the company for Unite to represent future crew.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT???
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Desertia: "I can only assume that the amount of brain function left in this woman matches the idiots crowing about getting a pulse back. There will have been a reason why the cardiac surgeon said that CPR should be stopped."
Reason or not Desertia, medical training states 30 mins if casualty is over 1 and on Defib and there is no normal breathing when advised 'check for pulse' and 'no shock advised'; and 60 mins if under 1 if there is no normal breathing (infant will not be on Defib). It doesn't matter what any health care professional onboard the aircraft tries to tell you at the time and this has nothing to do with BASSA!
Reason or not Desertia, medical training states 30 mins if casualty is over 1 and on Defib and there is no normal breathing when advised 'check for pulse' and 'no shock advised'; and 60 mins if under 1 if there is no normal breathing (infant will not be on Defib). It doesn't matter what any health care professional onboard the aircraft tries to tell you at the time and this has nothing to do with BASSA!
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If ST is taken away from anyone going on strike, and given that BA depends heavily on commuters for crew, then how are they going to crew aircraft, even in the short term.
*** "I'm cold and tired, I've been up since 4am, I need first rest ..." Etc etc.
It's going to soon get down to the every man/woman for themselves scenario once the fear sets in.
People will "talk the talk" in public, but if it's going to end up costing them personally €500 more a month in hotlines, that will be enough motivation to strike break. Being a commuter affords oneself special privileges and alleviations, at least in some commuters eyes, and it will be used to self justify their actions. "I can't strike, I'm a commuter, I need the tickets" I know you can picture the scenario now!.
A lot of crew weren't even prepared to support each other by spending their allowances for 1 month during the tax thing, you think they will risk their jobs and free travel? I doubt it. Same principle as tax debacle will apply. "Someone else will do it, doesn't matter if I don't"
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FlexSRS: you're probably right about this, though I have to say that a lot of crew did make every effort to spend their allowances at a very high personal sacrifice when on such a low basic!
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If ST is taken away from anyone going on strike, and given that BA depends heavily on commuters for crew, then how are they going to crew aircraft, even in the short term. There's not an endless supply of bods from the office.
Well I think the way most people are volunteering by the 1000s it would not be a problem!!
Well I think the way most people are volunteering by the 1000s it would not be a problem!!
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Don't you think people from Waterside and other ground staff will be able to do their security checks properly or spot something out of the ordinary? Don't shoot yourself in your foot. They will be straight out of training! Do you remember all of our previous temporary crew and those ex-ground staff? I never did a single flight when they never knew their SEP by heart and did their checks properly! I don't know how attentive you are at briefings but the low knowledge of SEP of some crew is horrifying. Some crew who have been flying for half a century don't even know how to secure the cabin properly or even less spot a BCF.
If it goes to a strike it will be a tough call for those crew with an early report in the morning on the first day of the strike. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes as they have an important decision to make. They don't know what will happen and the rest can sit by and watch and make their decision based on what happens. This UNITED WE STAND mantra will not stand when the strike begins. Every one will be on their own.
Don't you think people from Waterside and other ground staff will be able to do their security checks properly or spot something out of the ordinary? Don't shoot yourself in your foot. They will be straight out of training! Do you remember all of our previous temporary crew and those ex-ground staff? I never did a single flight when they never knew their SEP by heart and did their checks properly! I don't know how attentive you are at briefings but the low knowledge of SEP of some crew is horrifying. Some crew who have been flying for half a century don't even know how to secure the cabin properly or even less spot a BCF.
If it goes to a strike it will be a tough call for those crew with an early report in the morning on the first day of the strike. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes as they have an important decision to make. They don't know what will happen and the rest can sit by and watch and make their decision based on what happens. This UNITED WE STAND mantra will not stand when the strike begins. Every one will be on their own.
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I have to agree with Maddie on temporary crew being training firstly on security; so passengers worry not, you will be just as safe.
Overall what sadden me is that we got to this situation in the first place. UNION forces and IA are only worth if the organisation is a governament one. When working in the private sector, the whelthfare of the organisation is your own, no money coming in means no wage raise or bonus, simple. At the smell of a strike bookings diminish, ask anybody in Revenue Management, bookings are not coming in,the loss of revenue is huge as it is before the strike takes action, Richard Branson is laughing, his booking must be on a record take this month. Bill Francis was clear, more losses and not only the changes will go ahead but we will be expecting even more cuts, not only in IFCE but all accross the company. So can someone explain the logic behing the strike action because I am missing it completly.
Overall what sadden me is that we got to this situation in the first place. UNION forces and IA are only worth if the organisation is a governament one. When working in the private sector, the whelthfare of the organisation is your own, no money coming in means no wage raise or bonus, simple. At the smell of a strike bookings diminish, ask anybody in Revenue Management, bookings are not coming in,the loss of revenue is huge as it is before the strike takes action, Richard Branson is laughing, his booking must be on a record take this month. Bill Francis was clear, more losses and not only the changes will go ahead but we will be expecting even more cuts, not only in IFCE but all accross the company. So can someone explain the logic behing the strike action because I am missing it completly.
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Hey A Lurker
Just for info, in the event of a strike, there would always be at least one experienced Cabin Crew member on board the aircraft, if not more.
The other staff will receive the same training as you have.
Passenger Safety and Security will not be compromised, and I suspect, the passengers may see a few more smiles during their flight.
Andy
Just for info, in the event of a strike, there would always be at least one experienced Cabin Crew member on board the aircraft, if not more.
The other staff will receive the same training as you have.
Passenger Safety and Security will not be compromised, and I suspect, the passengers may see a few more smiles during their flight.
Andy
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Absence during the strike
I would like to clarify that if on maternity leave, paternity leave, adoption leave the individual is placed on a different pay code so that does register as sick leave of annual leave. These ringing sick in the time of the strike will have to justify their absence.
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The volunteers will be trained to the same standards of SEP, security and Avmed as the current crew. There will be no drop in standards on those fronts. The CAA will be monotoring these courses and so I'd imagine that the SEP instructors may even tighten up on the standards. There will be less emphasis on the customer service side of the training, but that is because there will be a reduced service. All the volunteers will be happy to be there and so I'd imagine that there will be plenty of smiles to go around. There will be experienced crew on all the flights to deal with the more complicated cabin service issues.
All the above is my own views and opinions not BA's.
All the above is my own views and opinions not BA's.
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I'm not sure what ALurker's posting about the medical incident has to do with this dispute.
At my wife's school they teach 10 and 11 year olds the use of defibrillators and CPR. Volunteer cabincrew will be taught medical training to the standard al cabincrew are taught, as mandated by the CAA. I'm sure any cabin crew, whether working at LHR, LGW, for Easyjet, or on a volunteer cc basis would have done an equally good job.
I've also personal experience of cabin crew making a total hash of medical treatment, but as that has nothing to do with the dispute, (like the GRU incident), I won't go into details.
At my wife's school they teach 10 and 11 year olds the use of defibrillators and CPR. Volunteer cabincrew will be taught medical training to the standard al cabincrew are taught, as mandated by the CAA. I'm sure any cabin crew, whether working at LHR, LGW, for Easyjet, or on a volunteer cc basis would have done an equally good job.
I've also personal experience of cabin crew making a total hash of medical treatment, but as that has nothing to do with the dispute, (like the GRU incident), I won't go into details.
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Voluntary crew
I am not crew, I am based at WTS, I have a whealth of experience in customer service, I have worked as a waitress and in a bar during my college years and I speak 4 languages. I am volunteering.
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Something that does amuse me about our cabin crew is the way they keep praising themselves and going on about incidents where they have saved lifes,evacuated aircraft etc etc .Firstly i want to make it quite clear they do a great job and i would not take that away from them.
However saving lifes and SEP is part of the job.It's not a favour your doing for customers or BA.I just wished they would get over themselves.
However saving lifes and SEP is part of the job.It's not a favour your doing for customers or BA.I just wished they would get over themselves.
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Oh and for your information this thread is about Cabin Crew Terms & Conditions - it is not a public platform for you to belittle people
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Your lack of knowledge and understanding is very apparent.
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Your lack of knowledge is quite clear
it is not a public platform for you to belittle people
Your lack of knowledge and understanding is very apparent.
Quote:
Your lack of knowledge is quite clear
it is not a public platform for you to belittle people
