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FlexSRS - sorry but I'm not prepared to get involved in this discussion on a public forum! Maybe over a pint... As you know, some of us have given up with Unite now though maybe we should rejoin to vote 'No'!
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On a related point;
Pilots offering to work as cabin crew supporting non-striking crew;
Q. Do you think that pilots who do this will get victimised, tea spat in, isolated, cold shouldered etc after the event by striking crew who find out that they were involved? Or do you think the militant crew who seem to hate pilots anyway will just tar all pilots with the same brush?
I'm a bit concerned about possible reprisals if I offer to help, I fear that not all of the crew are logical and reasonable about things like this, and I really don't fancy finding my car keyed when I get back, or drinking bottled water and bringing a packed lunch for the next 20 years.
On the other forums, just how much anti pilot bile is there at the moment?
Thanks.
Pilots offering to work as cabin crew supporting non-striking crew;
Q. Do you think that pilots who do this will get victimised, tea spat in, isolated, cold shouldered etc after the event by striking crew who find out that they were involved? Or do you think the militant crew who seem to hate pilots anyway will just tar all pilots with the same brush?
I'm a bit concerned about possible reprisals if I offer to help, I fear that not all of the crew are logical and reasonable about things like this, and I really don't fancy finding my car keyed when I get back, or drinking bottled water and bringing a packed lunch for the next 20 years.
On the other forums, just how much anti pilot bile is there at the moment?
Thanks.
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I hear this all the time from my cabin crew guys too. Ever heard of a concept called "Leave"? Birthdays and anniversaries tend to fall on the same day each year if I remember rightly?
Ten West - un unfair jab at BACrewBoy and I'm afraid this is just the type of dismissive, unnecessary and patronising comment we were referring to. With that, I'm off to bed guys.
Ten West - un unfair jab at BACrewBoy and I'm afraid this is just the type of dismissive, unnecessary and patronising comment we were referring to. With that, I'm off to bed guys.
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I can see your point Ben Asher. But this is what this topic is about. But I do see your point. We don't want the Daily Mail to latch on that all we ever do is one out one back standovers everywhere as we all know that is way off the mark! Our trips are very mixed, some easy some very hard and tiring!
As long as I keep my pay I am happy to work abit harder. I would rather keep my days off as they are thanks but work abit harder whilst I am at work. As long as I have proper rest and proper rest after a long day then I'm happy. I'm on new (post 1997) contract and like some say on here we are far from ''fat cats'' that the DM will have people believe! I earn a reasonable salary (don't want to publish average earnings on here as it isn't fair and is a public forum!) and can afford a good lifestyle but it is far from lavish or a fat cat salary even with allowances. i probably get only a little more than some airlines like EZY, charters on an average month. Plus I live in London. However there are some changes to working practises and having 3 crew on a half full 319 to PRG is hardly a big deal.
Anyway I'm rambling so shall shut up!
As long as I keep my pay I am happy to work abit harder. I would rather keep my days off as they are thanks but work abit harder whilst I am at work. As long as I have proper rest and proper rest after a long day then I'm happy. I'm on new (post 1997) contract and like some say on here we are far from ''fat cats'' that the DM will have people believe! I earn a reasonable salary (don't want to publish average earnings on here as it isn't fair and is a public forum!) and can afford a good lifestyle but it is far from lavish or a fat cat salary even with allowances. i probably get only a little more than some airlines like EZY, charters on an average month. Plus I live in London. However there are some changes to working practises and having 3 crew on a half full 319 to PRG is hardly a big deal.
Anyway I'm rambling so shall shut up!
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It's as if some BA Cabin Crew believe they are hard done by
".....Add to that the Christmasses (sic) and weekends we work, the birthdays and anniversaries we miss, and the total disruption to our rosters and loss of a large amounts of allowances in the ever-more frequent events of bad weather."
BACabinBoy makes the point he chose the job, so, he also elects to cope with the baggage that comes with the job. Some posters are beginning to sound like US Servicemen who complain others shoot at them!
BACabinBoy makes the point he chose the job, so, he also elects to cope with the baggage that comes with the job. Some posters are beginning to sound like US Servicemen who complain others shoot at them!
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Ten West - no need to get funny mate - the way that the crew leave system works at BA LHR means that once every 3 years you have a reasonably good chance of geting what you want but for the other 2 years you have almost no chance whatsoever - besides, that was just an example to demonstrate that I think BA crew are worth every penny of the money we earn - As i said before, I am a no voter who will break the picket if needs be - but I am still an intelligent human being who wants to be respected for my work.
As for the comment about reprisal from the crew of you volunteer as crew, can you guarantee that those crew who feel strongly enough to strike (thy exist and it's their choice if they choose to strike) will be immune from the often snidy comments of our colleagues in the flight deck?
As for the comment about reprisal from the crew of you volunteer as crew, can you guarantee that those crew who feel strongly enough to strike (thy exist and it's their choice if they choose to strike) will be immune from the often snidy comments of our colleagues in the flight deck?
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Not trying to be funny, and no offence meant. I wasn't trying to be dismissive at all. We all work in the airline industry, which by its very nature is 24/7 and 365 days a year. We all know this when we sign on the dotted line.
Personally, I deal with the rostering of about 3,500 crew members. I have no way of knowing whether they have any special anniversaries or particular days off that they need.
If I have to be somewhere special on a given day then I book it as leave.I don't consider it unreasonable to expect my colleagues who work on the aircraft to do the same.
I'm not sure about BA, but in my airline if someone works one Christmas then they get the next Christmas period off. Perfectly fair.
Personally, I deal with the rostering of about 3,500 crew members. I have no way of knowing whether they have any special anniversaries or particular days off that they need.
If I have to be somewhere special on a given day then I book it as leave.I don't consider it unreasonable to expect my colleagues who work on the aircraft to do the same.
I'm not sure about BA, but in my airline if someone works one Christmas then they get the next Christmas period off. Perfectly fair.
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Cresmer - I am not complaining at all - just want to make it clear that although I think that this strike is a silly silly idea, I do not think that it is fair to start an all out witch hunt for us crew who are fortunate to have good contracts
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With respect cresmer, I think we all know we chose the job but that does not mean that we have to enjoy absolutely every aspect. It was extremely frustrating with the bad weather a few weeks ago. OK you may say I can pop along to a ''normal'' job - well no because for the most part I absoltely LOVE my job but doesn't mean I am thrilled when my life is disrupted. Many crew lost a whole lot of work and allowances during the xmas disruption which if you have a life to pay for can be very frustrating.
Like I say I love my job so wouldn't leave just because of some minor inconvieniences but some people speak as though we have a life of complete and utter pampering. The reality is it can be very disrupted. Our choice to do it yes, but it is still frustrating even if you do realise it is part of the job!
Like I say I love my job so wouldn't leave just because of some minor inconvieniences but some people speak as though we have a life of complete and utter pampering. The reality is it can be very disrupted. Our choice to do it yes, but it is still frustrating even if you do realise it is part of the job!
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If you end up flying with 4 or 5 CC volunteers from Waterside on your flight, I hope you will have every confidence in their security checks and their ability to spot somebody behaving out of the ordinary.
If you think that pitching a terrorism threat to customers is a win for BAFFA you should think again.
This disagreement will not be won on the basis of BAFFA's pitching their members as being protective of customers, they lost that argument. As someone who lost friends at the Pentagon on 9-11 I find ANY position made by BAFFA that they are looking to make me more safe when no portion of this disagreement has to do with safety to be offensive.
You really shouldn't take your silly flag raising photo op to heart.
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Ok Ten West - sorry mate - it's dificult to gauge tone over a forum post - unfortunately we do not have such a system at BA - Christmas is never guaranteed off, and our leave system operates on a yearly rolling basis of 3 groups (top, middle, bottom - top get first pick).
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No worries mate. And well done of having the guts to leave BASSA! I hope everything turns out well for you.
Perrsonally I book an awful lot of BA flights in the course of my work, and the thing I like the most is that they're reliable. I would be very sad to see an great institution of such long standing brought down by some self-serving dinosaurs.
From reading these updates I feel a lot more confident that this won't happen.
Perrsonally I book an awful lot of BA flights in the course of my work, and the thing I like the most is that they're reliable. I would be very sad to see an great institution of such long standing brought down by some self-serving dinosaurs.
From reading these updates I feel a lot more confident that this won't happen.
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As for the comment about reprisal from the crew of you volunteer as crew, can you guarantee that those crew who feel strongly enough to strike (thy exist and it's their choice if they choose to strike) will be immune from the often snidy comments of our colleagues in the flight deck?
However, what I can say with 100% certainty is that no pilots will be keying anyones car over it, or spitting / putting eyedrops in ccrew drinks. I'm not sure I can say the same about the crew.
(Not a reflection on all of you, or even a significant portion, it's just some of the crew have 'form' shall we say. )
Bad times.
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I agree Ten West - we need to make BA great again and I just hope that when all of this is over, the LT will re-gain some respect for us crew - we really do make a difference to who flies with us and who doesn't (especially for those in the premium cabins who can afford to choose) and I don't think that we always get the recognition and respect that we deserve.
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BACrewBoy - well said!
FlexSRS - don't think your comments (I'm referring to eye drops, keys etc.) exactly help BACrewBoy's (but just seen he doesn't seem phased by them - unlike me!) Anyway, may I suggest you take your concerns to BALPA and don't air them here.....
FlexSRS - don't think your comments (I'm referring to eye drops, keys etc.) exactly help BACrewBoy's (but just seen he doesn't seem phased by them - unlike me!) Anyway, may I suggest you take your concerns to BALPA and don't air them here.....
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Many crew lost a whole lot of work and allowances during the xmas disruption which if you have a life to pay for can be very frustrating.
If you turn up for a flight that is canx after a few hours on the ground, you wouldn't loose everything.
(Again, depending on the deal you negotiate.)
Change doesn't have to be always bad. (But then I am preaching to the converted I guess!)