British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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It's only just after 4am in LAX - Give poor Lizanne a chance to wake up and have a cup of coffee, put on her face etc...
I'm sure she'll react in the next two or three weeks, when she get's round to it.
CB
I'm sure she'll react in the next two or three weeks, when she get's round to it.
CB
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BASSA's latest!!!!!!!!
"It’s a funny old world...
It wasn’t so long ago that our pilot colleagues wanted our help.
They were organizing a ballot for strike action over their fears regarding the introduction of “open skies” and the impact it could have on their future prospects and earnings.
Our pilot colleagues were, quite rightly, concerned and felt very confident of their moral high ground and balked at the audacity of British Airways for daring to seek to undermine them by employing cheap labour pilots, on inferior terms and conditions.
BA attempted to end their legitimate ballot by legal action, and their threats prevailed.
Sound familiar?
How surprising then, as we face a battle for our own survival, that BALPA has chosen to remain "neutral" when their own members are actively volunteering to work as cabin crew to break our strike. And they call themselves a Union?
How thoughtful of them to repay our support. They can rest assured that when their time comes, and it will, that we will be equally supportive.
Apologies to those pilot colleagues - and we know there are many - who have a conscience and would never dream of doing such an underhand act, but to those that choose to do so and those that requested it....
Have a good long hard look at yourself and remember how much our two communities will suffer. Our Unions may not have always seen eye to eye but at the end of the sector when push comes to shove (and doors go into manual) crew will always “protect” pilots ...............
To BALPA and those selfish members who are volunteering to "strike break" and therefore harm people who are a lot worse off than them, we have a two word message, they might well remember the next time they wish to socialise with cabin crew down route"
"FOXTROT OSCAR"
It wasn’t so long ago that our pilot colleagues wanted our help.
They were organizing a ballot for strike action over their fears regarding the introduction of “open skies” and the impact it could have on their future prospects and earnings.
Our pilot colleagues were, quite rightly, concerned and felt very confident of their moral high ground and balked at the audacity of British Airways for daring to seek to undermine them by employing cheap labour pilots, on inferior terms and conditions.
BA attempted to end their legitimate ballot by legal action, and their threats prevailed.
Sound familiar?
How surprising then, as we face a battle for our own survival, that BALPA has chosen to remain "neutral" when their own members are actively volunteering to work as cabin crew to break our strike. And they call themselves a Union?
How thoughtful of them to repay our support. They can rest assured that when their time comes, and it will, that we will be equally supportive.
Apologies to those pilot colleagues - and we know there are many - who have a conscience and would never dream of doing such an underhand act, but to those that choose to do so and those that requested it....
Have a good long hard look at yourself and remember how much our two communities will suffer. Our Unions may not have always seen eye to eye but at the end of the sector when push comes to shove (and doors go into manual) crew will always “protect” pilots ...............
To BALPA and those selfish members who are volunteering to "strike break" and therefore harm people who are a lot worse off than them, we have a two word message, they might well remember the next time they wish to socialise with cabin crew down route"
"FOXTROT OSCAR"
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and BALPAs response..........
Lizanne,
Your edited message is still unacceptable to us. This has now been taken out of your hands and will be dealt with by us.
To avoid future embarrassment, I suggest you get yourself a new notice writer.
Kind regards
**********
BACC
Your edited message is still unacceptable to us. This has now been taken out of your hands and will be dealt with by us.
To avoid future embarrassment, I suggest you get yourself a new notice writer.
Kind regards
**********
BACC
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BASSA are obviously pursuing a "scorched earth" policy. They realise they are on the way to a very heavy, probably terminal defeat.
They wish their legacy to be a generation of dysfunctional crew whose attitudes have been irredeemably poisoned. This seems a fitting epitaph for such a dysfunctional organisation.
I am pretty confident we will be able to rise above it, and in a few years time will be able to say
"Do you remember BASSA?"
"Nope, nor do I."
They wish their legacy to be a generation of dysfunctional crew whose attitudes have been irredeemably poisoned. This seems a fitting epitaph for such a dysfunctional organisation.
I am pretty confident we will be able to rise above it, and in a few years time will be able to say
"Do you remember BASSA?"
"Nope, nor do I."
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``Have a good long hard look at yourself and remember how much our two communities will suffer. Our Unions may not have always seen eye to eye but at the end of the sector when push comes to shove (and doors go into manual) crew will always “protect” pilots ...............``
What does this infer `crew will always `protect` pilots.?
And as for the last sentence - Bassa you are plumbing new lows.That is a disgusting statement.You are now encouraging the breakdown of any sort of CRM and that will become a flight safety issue with all sorts of implications.Shame on you.
What does this infer `crew will always `protect` pilots.?
And as for the last sentence - Bassa you are plumbing new lows.That is a disgusting statement.You are now encouraging the breakdown of any sort of CRM and that will become a flight safety issue with all sorts of implications.Shame on you.
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Bassa supporters
It's always good to have a balanced debate.With that in mind where are the Bassa supporters Miss M,Fume Event etc?
I always like to hear the other side.Makes life more interesting.
I always like to hear the other side.Makes life more interesting.
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No doubt about BASSA now?
Can there really be any doubt about how incredible BASSA are after their attack on BALPA? This is only the latest in exhibitions of petulance and their attraction to fabrication. I fear that now that they will lose more than just their credibility.
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Crash_and_Burn It's only just after 4am in LAX - Give poor Lizanne a chance to wake up and have a cup of coffee, put on her face etc...
I'm sure she'll react in the next two or three weeks, when she get's round to it.
CB
I'm sure she'll react in the next two or three weeks, when she get's round to it.
CB
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They should do a charity benefitting auction to see who gets to be the one to hand deliver her notice of termination, just a thought...just going to move some money around...
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You are now encouraging the breakdown of any sort of CRM and that will become a flight safety issue with all sorts of implications
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Quote:You are now encouraging the breakdown of any sort of CRM and that will become a flight safety issue with all sorts of implications
And some of the comments on this thread from BA Pilots have been acceptable? X factor voters etc etc - Due to the postings and public nature of this forum - every post is viewable by all and has often been reported back to Cabin Crew forums - CRM has already damaged long before the post by BASSA
And some of the comments on this thread from BA Pilots have been acceptable? X factor voters etc etc - Due to the postings and public nature of this forum - every post is viewable by all and has often been reported back to Cabin Crew forums - CRM has already damaged long before the post by BASSA
See the difference? You happy with that level of communication from BASSA, a union claiming to represent "professionals?"
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A lot of comments on here have been unacceptable.You are quite right, and they have come from all types of people who post on here.I don't think any group is blameless.
The really outragous one have been deleted by the Mods.
I will agree with you for the time being.
Now let's get back to sorting this out.
A lot of comments on here have been unacceptable.You are quite right, and they have come from all types of people who post on here.I don't think any group is blameless.
The really outragous one have been deleted by the Mods.
I will agree with you for the time being.
Now let's get back to sorting this out.
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ALurker, even you must admit that individual comments have been made on both sides that are 'wrong'. Lets call that a draw.
I was trying to be objective but honestly it looks like BASSA has now completely lost it. It really looks like they are in what is sometimes called a frenzy. Logic no longer dictates their actions, but emotions do. That is never the right way to act in a conflict.
BASSA has dug so many legal holes for themselves with their official public statements. It really is hard to believe. I have never seen anything like this ever, anywhere. I cannot even try to explain it.
I was trying to be objective but honestly it looks like BASSA has now completely lost it. It really looks like they are in what is sometimes called a frenzy. Logic no longer dictates their actions, but emotions do. That is never the right way to act in a conflict.
BASSA has dug so many legal holes for themselves with their official public statements. It really is hard to believe. I have never seen anything like this ever, anywhere. I cannot even try to explain it.
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You couldn't write this script, its mad.
At the end of Gulf War II, Comical Ali, The Iraqi Information Minister went missing without a trace. He was known for his sound grasp of the facts and realities of life. One of his more famous quotes was:
"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad." This was said as US armour drove past his ministry.
It now appears that he has turned up in BASSA HQ leading their truth and reconcilliation committee. I am shortly expecting a press release from him saying:
"Lying is forbidden in BASSA. BASSA reps will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as they are people of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts."
(my bold replacing 'Iraq', 'the president' and 'he is a man'.
Is there any individual, group or organisation even remotely involved in this dispute that BASSA hasn't tried to blame, smear or be rude about?
All the best to the sane.
At the end of Gulf War II, Comical Ali, The Iraqi Information Minister went missing without a trace. He was known for his sound grasp of the facts and realities of life. One of his more famous quotes was:
"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad." This was said as US armour drove past his ministry.
It now appears that he has turned up in BASSA HQ leading their truth and reconcilliation committee. I am shortly expecting a press release from him saying:
"Lying is forbidden in BASSA. BASSA reps will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as they are people of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts."
(my bold replacing 'Iraq', 'the president' and 'he is a man'.Is there any individual, group or organisation even remotely involved in this dispute that BASSA hasn't tried to blame, smear or be rude about?
All the best to the sane.
It makes you wonder about the governence of BASSA. Does Lizanne really have the authority to simply issue these missives without reference to anyone else? Is there no requirement to at least get a qualified legal opinion on anything they put into the public domain? Are there any checks and balances or is she a law unto herself?
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As a pilot I feel like BASSA has left me no choice but to volunteer for this position. IF a 12 day strike was to happen, I would lose my job as the company would fold. I can't sit back and let that happen.
If this dispute would have happened at another time, or if BASSA would have been truly interested in negotiating a painful but neccesary solution, I'd have to think about it a lot longer.
It saddens me to see that BASSA is vilifying flight crew once again, while ALL departments have volunteers coming in to help out during the potential strike? BALPA is being completely impartial about this whole affair. Sadly there will be many BASSA members who will not believe us when we tell them that..
While the BASSA line is for our colleagues to tell us to "FOXTROT OSCAR" (quote from BASSA publication Mod! 
) downroute, our union is leaving this decision up to us.
Secondly, could I also kindly remind BASSA that the OpenSkies issue affected us as much as it did them - the only difference is that BALPA decided to act upon it while BASSA chose not to. I'm not pointing fingers or blaming BASSA for not having done so, simply pointing it out.
Cabin Crew: Honestly, if you were being told you would lose 2-3 weeks of allowances because BALPA called a strike, but you could keep your allowances if you volunteered to do some ground work over that time to help operations out - what would you do? Add to this the fact that, if you decided to sit at home, there would be a real possibility that there wouldn't be a job to come back to.
Thoughts?
If this dispute would have happened at another time, or if BASSA would have been truly interested in negotiating a painful but neccesary solution, I'd have to think about it a lot longer.
It saddens me to see that BASSA is vilifying flight crew once again, while ALL departments have volunteers coming in to help out during the potential strike? BALPA is being completely impartial about this whole affair. Sadly there will be many BASSA members who will not believe us when we tell them that..
While the BASSA line is for our colleagues to tell us to "FOXTROT OSCAR" (quote from BASSA publication Mod! ) downroute, our union is leaving this decision up to us.Secondly, could I also kindly remind BASSA that the OpenSkies issue affected us as much as it did them - the only difference is that BALPA decided to act upon it while BASSA chose not to. I'm not pointing fingers or blaming BASSA for not having done so, simply pointing it out.
Cabin Crew: Honestly, if you were being told you would lose 2-3 weeks of allowances because BALPA called a strike, but you could keep your allowances if you volunteered to do some ground work over that time to help operations out - what would you do? Add to this the fact that, if you decided to sit at home, there would be a real possibility that there wouldn't be a job to come back to.
Thoughts?
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After the latest series of communications issued by BASSA I don't think you can expect a rational response anymore. I really think some people had a nervous breakdown there. Not surprising given the stress of the last couple of weeks but very dangerous for all those people relying on sane leadership.