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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 21:48
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If I vote "NO" and withdraw my membership the day after, what would be the consequences? Will Unite know who I was and not take my "NO" into account?
Would that make strike "illegal" as in theory I wouldn't be a member any more?

Another thought:

Regardless of what I vote for, if I'm on days off / leave / sick / maternity during the strike, how would BA know which way I voted? This is to do with who they'd take the ST benefits away from if not everyobody.

There are many, myself included, who have hung on to our membership just to vote NO. I can't see any possible repercussions. I don't think it will make the strike illegal if you wait to see the result of the ballot before resigning. BA will have no way of knowing which way you voted so in this case, you'll have to move heaven and earth to get into work if you are rostered to be there! If you are not rostered, i.e part-time or maternity then you cannot be assumed to be on strike as you can't withhold labour that is not due. Either way, don't worry too much about the Staff travel - last time (1997), and the time before that (1993ish), it was reinstated within the month!

I am BA crew and all thoughts are my own and not those of my employer.

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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 21:49
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"The Twilight of the Gods"?

Gee, this is gettin' real excitin', folks!

I am unsure whether the current scenario reminds me of the last act of Wagner's Gotterdamerung or the last days in the Nazi Fuhrerbunker in May 1945.

Will there be mass suicides by BASSA reps, all crunching simultaneously on their cyanide capsules? Will we hear the report of a single pistol shot to Miss Lala's head as the whole darn shootin' match collapses around her?

This would be much, much more exciting than any "duh-duh-duh" ending of a key episode of "EastEnders" - if it were not for the fact that the BASSA leadership will do all they possibly can to bring down BA and all its staff, their families, pensioners, contractors and all BA's out-station staff around their dead bodies.

To be serious, this could turn out to be a genuine tragedy.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 21:51
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Funny - CF has 3787 members - how many of them are raising their voice - mainly these ones with the nicknames shortenings are keeping their forum alive with their 100% BASSA propaganda - JF, DW and NJR - less than 100 in total - and they think they are in majority.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 21:54
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That is a prime example of the different ways of reading this letter.
It is unenforceable on an individual basis.
what about the crew who voted yes and are stuck down route.They can't strike as they are away from base but how will BA know how they voted.Will they keep their staff travel voting yes but not part of the strike.
Will the no voters stay at a different hotel down route to the yes voters?
Of course not.
The majority vote decides the rules.
It cannot be enforced on an individual basis.
BA has played an extremly clever game.
All crew benefit will benefit from a no vote.
It is in the interest of all crew to go against the union.
That is very clever to get to that state.
Discuss.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 21:55
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Hiya! I'm another Unite member hanging on to Vote No! In my opinion, if we don't hang on then when the next ballot comes and all us who are to vote no have left they will have a 100% ballot result which will make them smug! Even if 5000 were non unionised, although if most of us were non unionised a strike wouldn't make a difference anyway!
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 21:59
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Funny - CF has 3787 members - how many of them are raising their voice - mainly these ones with the nicknames shortenings are keeping their forum alive with their 100% BASSA propaganda - JF, DW and NJR - less than 100 in total - and they think they are in majority.
No different than here then is it?
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:03
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Is that a confirmation of the corrupt workings of CF?
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:05
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I must confess, SlideBustle, that I have been gently persuading my colleagues on the aircraft not to resign either but to stay and vote NO. We really don't have a choice. It's like holding a tiger by the tail, if you let go it'll bite you! Our best chance is to all stay put and send both Unions a strong message, just not the one they want! In fact, perhaps we should encourage more people to join to make the message clearer! (how about it PCCC?)

I do have a letter of resignation for Amicus already written just in case though!
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:09
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even if you call in sick you will be deemed to be on strike
There will be some people (inevitably) who are genuinely ill. BA will doubtless insist on a fair bit of proof that this is the case.
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A Lurker - as I understand it (and I could be wrong), self-certification only applies in terms of handling statutory sick pay. I'm not sure there's anything that stops BA demanding that staff prove genuine sickness, and I'm certain they'll have investigated that thoroughly.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:21
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Look at your post it doesn't make sense.
If you are down route then you are not on strike.That is agreed.But if you voted yes and down route then you have contributed to a majority vote maybe.
Why should that yes voter keep staff travel but one who is due to report that day but doesn't due to strike action lose it?
That is going to cause a discussion in the galley isn't it?
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:21
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I also think that BA would undertake a 'willing to work' trawl again and that rosters for March would as a result be completely different to the roster issued on 21st Feb (speaking about EF here). So they would know beforehand that you were willing to work.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:22
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Evening Sweety!

Another thought:

Regardless of what I vote for, if I'm on days off / leave / sick / maternity during the strike, how would BA know which way I voted? This is to do with who they'd take the ST benefits away from if not everyobody.
Sweety, I have been reading a lot about the withdrawing of ST benefits on this forum since the announcement.
The way I understand it is simple. If you withdraw your labour, (break your contract of employment), you will lose your ST benefits.
If I am correct then the terms of which the company judge a person on strike will trigger that response. eg. Not showing for a rostered duty or being sick.
So I think it follows that work normally and you won't be sanctioned.

Oh lord, I think I have just agreed with 'A lurker' on this topic.
Maybe we can find some more common ground?
I am backing BA, are you?

All my thoughts as usual, not representative of my employer or anyone else.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:23
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Ill for less than seven calendar days - can your employer ask for a medical certificate when paying Statutory Sick Pay?

No. If you are an employee you can self-certify for the first seven days of your illness. An employer is not allowed to ask for medical evidence (including medical certificates) during the first seven days of absence.

Here is the link from the Government - it uses Swine Flu as an example

Swine flu - self certification and Statutory Sick Pay : Directgov - Swine flu
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See my previous post - surely if you say beforehand that you are willing to work, if something unfortunate were to happen to you, it would no doubt be investigated but I'm sure consideration would be given to your circumstances.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:28
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Please read my post 2839 about striking.
Also please note that when IA takes place all the rules go out the window.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:34
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Statutory sick pay - even if payable, is £79 per week.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:39
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But the letter is open to interpretation.
How I'm looking at it is this time it's going to be the majority rules.
In the past maybe you may have got off lightly by being down route,hols,part time etc.
I think Willie Walsh is very clever and has got that one sewn up.
I don't think it is fair that one yes voter gets away with it and another doesn't just because of who they know in scheduling.

You cannot enforce it on an individual basis.The letter says vote NO to keep hotels,Terms etc and vote yes to lose them.
Tell me how is that possible to have a system where the yes voters go to one hotel and the no voters to another.
Don't go on about the past.I have been there too but this is different
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:50
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ST if it is a lifeline.....

an ID90 standby ticket that can be used on BA/BMI etc; when you just need a stack of them, undated, to see you through a month's commute.
If ST is a lifeline for you for other airlines then try this to check loads on other airlines.
idD standby screens

fingers crossed you still need it in three months time !
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 22:58
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Sorry for the delay my last post got deleted.No idea why wasn't rude.
When I said Wllie has it sewn up I meant he may realise the unfairness of a yes voter being down route and keeping staff travel and a yes voter striking from base losing them.That would be unfair to lose a benefit due to Tracie.
Also there is talk of new hotels.How can you have a yes voter in one hotel and a no voter in another?
That is why I understand the letter to mean you (plural)
That is if the majority of crew vote yes then everyone will have the same sanctions.
I think we will get more info soon

I do think that is unfair to the no voters and non union members.
Is it fair to the yes voters though wherever they may be on strike day?
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