British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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If I vote "NO" and withdraw my membership the day after, what would be the consequences? Will Unite know who I was and not take my "NO" into account?
Would that make strike "illegal" as in theory I wouldn't be a member any more?
Another thought:
Regardless of what I vote for, if I'm on days off / leave / sick / maternity during the strike, how would BA know which way I voted? This is to do with who they'd take the ST benefits away from if not everyobody.
Would that make strike "illegal" as in theory I wouldn't be a member any more?
Another thought:
Regardless of what I vote for, if I'm on days off / leave / sick / maternity during the strike, how would BA know which way I voted? This is to do with who they'd take the ST benefits away from if not everyobody.
I am BA crew and all thoughts are my own and not those of my employer.
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"The Twilight of the Gods"?
Gee, this is gettin' real excitin', folks!
I am unsure whether the current scenario reminds me of the last act of Wagner's Gotterdamerung or the last days in the Nazi Fuhrerbunker in May 1945.
Will there be mass suicides by BASSA reps, all crunching simultaneously on their cyanide capsules? Will we hear the report of a single pistol shot to Miss Lala's head as the whole darn shootin' match collapses around her?
This would be much, much more exciting than any "duh-duh-duh" ending of a key episode of "EastEnders" - if it were not for the fact that the BASSA leadership will do all they possibly can to bring down BA and all its staff, their families, pensioners, contractors and all BA's out-station staff around their dead bodies.
To be serious, this could turn out to be a genuine tragedy.
I am unsure whether the current scenario reminds me of the last act of Wagner's Gotterdamerung or the last days in the Nazi Fuhrerbunker in May 1945.
Will there be mass suicides by BASSA reps, all crunching simultaneously on their cyanide capsules? Will we hear the report of a single pistol shot to Miss Lala's head as the whole darn shootin' match collapses around her?
This would be much, much more exciting than any "duh-duh-duh" ending of a key episode of "EastEnders" - if it were not for the fact that the BASSA leadership will do all they possibly can to bring down BA and all its staff, their families, pensioners, contractors and all BA's out-station staff around their dead bodies.
To be serious, this could turn out to be a genuine tragedy.
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Funny - CF has 3787 members - how many of them are raising their voice - mainly these ones with the nicknames shortenings are keeping their forum alive with their 100% BASSA propaganda - JF, DW and NJR - less than 100 in total - and they think they are in majority.
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That is a prime example of the different ways of reading this letter.
It is unenforceable on an individual basis.
what about the crew who voted yes and are stuck down route.They can't strike as they are away from base but how will BA know how they voted.Will they keep their staff travel voting yes but not part of the strike.
Will the no voters stay at a different hotel down route to the yes voters?
Of course not.
The majority vote decides the rules.
It cannot be enforced on an individual basis.
BA has played an extremly clever game.
All crew benefit will benefit from a no vote.
It is in the interest of all crew to go against the union.
That is very clever to get to that state.
Discuss.
That is a prime example of the different ways of reading this letter.
It is unenforceable on an individual basis.
what about the crew who voted yes and are stuck down route.They can't strike as they are away from base but how will BA know how they voted.Will they keep their staff travel voting yes but not part of the strike.
Will the no voters stay at a different hotel down route to the yes voters?
Of course not.
The majority vote decides the rules.
It cannot be enforced on an individual basis.
BA has played an extremly clever game.
All crew benefit will benefit from a no vote.
It is in the interest of all crew to go against the union.
That is very clever to get to that state.
Discuss.
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Hiya! I'm another Unite member hanging on to Vote No! In my opinion, if we don't hang on then when the next ballot comes and all us who are to vote no have left they will have a 100% ballot result which will make them smug! Even if 5000 were non unionised, although if most of us were non unionised a strike wouldn't make a difference anyway!
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Funny - CF has 3787 members - how many of them are raising their voice - mainly these ones with the nicknames shortenings are keeping their forum alive with their 100% BASSA propaganda - JF, DW and NJR - less than 100 in total - and they think they are in majority.
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I must confess, SlideBustle, that I have been gently persuading my colleagues on the aircraft not to resign either but to stay and vote NO. We really don't have a choice. It's like holding a tiger by the tail, if you let go it'll bite you! Our best chance is to all stay put and send both Unions a strong message, just not the one they want! In fact, perhaps we should encourage more people to join to make the message clearer! (how about it PCCC?)
I do have a letter of resignation for Amicus already written just in case though!
I do have a letter of resignation for Amicus already written just in case though!
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even if you call in sick you will be deemed to be on strike
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A Lurker - as I understand it (and I could be wrong), self-certification only applies in terms of handling statutory sick pay. I'm not sure there's anything that stops BA demanding that staff prove genuine sickness, and I'm certain they'll have investigated that thoroughly.
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Look at your post it doesn't make sense.
If you are down route then you are not on strike.That is agreed.But if you voted yes and down route then you have contributed to a majority vote maybe.
Why should that yes voter keep staff travel but one who is due to report that day but doesn't due to strike action lose it?
That is going to cause a discussion in the galley isn't it?
Look at your post it doesn't make sense.
If you are down route then you are not on strike.That is agreed.But if you voted yes and down route then you have contributed to a majority vote maybe.
Why should that yes voter keep staff travel but one who is due to report that day but doesn't due to strike action lose it?
That is going to cause a discussion in the galley isn't it?
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I also think that BA would undertake a 'willing to work' trawl again and that rosters for March would as a result be completely different to the roster issued on 21st Feb (speaking about EF here). So they would know beforehand that you were willing to work.
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Evening Sweety!
Another thought:
Regardless of what I vote for, if I'm on days off / leave / sick / maternity during the strike, how would BA know which way I voted? This is to do with who they'd take the ST benefits away from if not everyobody.
Regardless of what I vote for, if I'm on days off / leave / sick / maternity during the strike, how would BA know which way I voted? This is to do with who they'd take the ST benefits away from if not everyobody.
The way I understand it is simple. If you withdraw your labour, (break your contract of employment), you will lose your ST benefits.
If I am correct then the terms of which the company judge a person on strike will trigger that response. eg. Not showing for a rostered duty or being sick.
So I think it follows that work normally and you won't be sanctioned.
Oh lord, I think I have just agreed with 'A lurker' on this topic.
Maybe we can find some more common ground?
I am backing BA, are you?
All my thoughts as usual, not representative of my employer or anyone else.
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Ill for less than seven calendar days - can your employer ask for a medical certificate when paying Statutory Sick Pay?
No. If you are an employee you can self-certify for the first seven days of your illness. An employer is not allowed to ask for medical evidence (including medical certificates) during the first seven days of absence.
Here is the link from the Government - it uses Swine Flu as an example
Swine flu - self certification and Statutory Sick Pay : Directgov - Swine flu
No. If you are an employee you can self-certify for the first seven days of your illness. An employer is not allowed to ask for medical evidence (including medical certificates) during the first seven days of absence.
Here is the link from the Government - it uses Swine Flu as an example
Swine flu - self certification and Statutory Sick Pay : Directgov - Swine flu
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See my previous post - surely if you say beforehand that you are willing to work, if something unfortunate were to happen to you, it would no doubt be investigated but I'm sure consideration would be given to your circumstances.
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But the letter is open to interpretation.
How I'm looking at it is this time it's going to be the majority rules.
In the past maybe you may have got off lightly by being down route,hols,part time etc.
I think Willie Walsh is very clever and has got that one sewn up.
I don't think it is fair that one yes voter gets away with it and another doesn't just because of who they know in scheduling.
You cannot enforce it on an individual basis.The letter says vote NO to keep hotels,Terms etc and vote yes to lose them.
Tell me how is that possible to have a system where the yes voters go to one hotel and the no voters to another.
Don't go on about the past.I have been there too but this is different
How I'm looking at it is this time it's going to be the majority rules.
In the past maybe you may have got off lightly by being down route,hols,part time etc.
I think Willie Walsh is very clever and has got that one sewn up.
I don't think it is fair that one yes voter gets away with it and another doesn't just because of who they know in scheduling.
You cannot enforce it on an individual basis.The letter says vote NO to keep hotels,Terms etc and vote yes to lose them.
Tell me how is that possible to have a system where the yes voters go to one hotel and the no voters to another.
Don't go on about the past.I have been there too but this is different
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ST if it is a lifeline.....
an ID90 standby ticket that can be used on BA/BMI etc; when you just need a stack of them, undated, to see you through a month's commute.
idD standby screens
fingers crossed you still need it in three months time !
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Sorry for the delay my last post got deleted.No idea why wasn't rude.
When I said Wllie has it sewn up I meant he may realise the unfairness of a yes voter being down route and keeping staff travel and a yes voter striking from base losing them.That would be unfair to lose a benefit due to Tracie.
Also there is talk of new hotels.How can you have a yes voter in one hotel and a no voter in another?
That is why I understand the letter to mean you (plural)
That is if the majority of crew vote yes then everyone will have the same sanctions.
I think we will get more info soon
I do think that is unfair to the no voters and non union members.
Is it fair to the yes voters though wherever they may be on strike day?
Sorry for the delay my last post got deleted.No idea why wasn't rude.
When I said Wllie has it sewn up I meant he may realise the unfairness of a yes voter being down route and keeping staff travel and a yes voter striking from base losing them.That would be unfair to lose a benefit due to Tracie.
Also there is talk of new hotels.How can you have a yes voter in one hotel and a no voter in another?
That is why I understand the letter to mean you (plural)
That is if the majority of crew vote yes then everyone will have the same sanctions.
I think we will get more info soon
I do think that is unfair to the no voters and non union members.
Is it fair to the yes voters though wherever they may be on strike day?