British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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First customers may find they are not escorted to their seat,
I agree the situation may not be ideal but then again, neither is the state of the economy....
Henkybaby,
I would trust whowever is paying my salary and my pension
I would trust whowever is paying my salary and my pension
I am against the strike (in case you wondered) but only because nobody seems to be able to explain to me how the changes really and factually affect current cabin crew. I hear a lot of what might happen but nothing that is happening.
If any BA employee can convince me that they are hurt beyond reason while there are other proven better alternatives I will join the picket line.
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Sadly the situation seems to be worse between BA and unite, reading the propaganda from both camps leads me to think BA have to take some responsibility for the failed talks along with Unite, I'm sure there will be many posters on here that will disagree, so be it
Flyeruk,
There has been literature from both sides as I choose to call it, some makes sense, some doesn't.
It's just that I prefer and have chosen BA's proposals as they work for me. What's wrong about that? The savings are there and I keep my terms and conditions, BASSA proposed everything I was against.
BA has offered UNITE the opportunity to talk and the reply that they've declined, was received by BA on Friday. I'm not defending BA, but would like to know why BASSA are not taking this opportunity to engage in talks with BA.
Are any of of the BASSA supporters able to answer why, please?
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Just back from lunch with a mate from waterworld. The quote that someone has posted about the legality of the ballot is indeed from an email sent to the top managers/directors, I asked for a copy of the email to show "A Lurker" but strangely for some reason my mate declined............. sorry.
Apparently BAs aggressive legal team have found what they believe to be 3 inconsistencies with the ballot. 1 of which they have warned UNITE about.
I guess we will only need to wait a few more days to see the strategies adopted by both sides.
Apparently BAs aggressive legal team have found what they believe to be 3 inconsistencies with the ballot. 1 of which they have warned UNITE about.
I guess we will only need to wait a few more days to see the strategies adopted by both sides.
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The union still not wanting to talk even after the strike ballot is known sounds like they are intent on one thing only and that is strike until BA removes what they don't like. The imposition and new fleet.
It is astounding to read that they have already said they will not enter in to negotiations again, I thought that is what they wanted the strike ballot to achieve. Obviously not, they want their own way on their own terms and it's crystal clear what that is. Remove the impositions immediately and any thoughts of a new fleet. I feel the latter point is what is really bothering them.
The impositions are very modest indeed especially after the difficulties BA have had with this union in the last 6 months. BA did everything possible to reach an agreement, the union clearly was just hoping this issue would all go away and WW would get fed-up trying to negotiate with them and give in or accept that Bassa has the upper hand and accept whatever savings they suggested regardless of whether they were sufficient or not.
I feel for the customers of BA who have booked flights over Christmas, due to a 1970's style union that has not moved on by 1mm in the past 35 years.
We might see them in a different light tomorrow, let's hope so.
It is astounding to read that they have already said they will not enter in to negotiations again, I thought that is what they wanted the strike ballot to achieve. Obviously not, they want their own way on their own terms and it's crystal clear what that is. Remove the impositions immediately and any thoughts of a new fleet. I feel the latter point is what is really bothering them.
The impositions are very modest indeed especially after the difficulties BA have had with this union in the last 6 months. BA did everything possible to reach an agreement, the union clearly was just hoping this issue would all go away and WW would get fed-up trying to negotiate with them and give in or accept that Bassa has the upper hand and accept whatever savings they suggested regardless of whether they were sufficient or not.
I feel for the customers of BA who have booked flights over Christmas, due to a 1970's style union that has not moved on by 1mm in the past 35 years.
We might see them in a different light tomorrow, let's hope so.
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It is astounding to read that they have already said they will not enter in to negotiations again, I thought that is what they wanted the strike ballot to achieve
A YES vote is a vote to Strike, nothing less, best dust down your donkey jacket
I must concur with Da Dog, with my information coming from a different source - it appears that the details of the ballot inconsistencies do come from an e-mail that WW sent to the upper echelons of BA managers. Quite how it found it's way here, I don't know.
In any event, the BASSA train is careering into the station, and the buffers are dead ahead. It remains to be seen what is left of the train once the inevitable accident occurs.
In any event, the BASSA train is careering into the station, and the buffers are dead ahead. It remains to be seen what is left of the train once the inevitable accident occurs.
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....and start cancelling Christmas holiday plans from tomorrow.
I do not think they will get any public support whatsoever and certainly none from the passengers.
Not one of them has lost a penny in pay and no-one has lost a job, that is more than anyone can say for other companies. Most of us know someone who has recently lost a job, been forced to take a pay cut or had terms and conditions changed. Myself included.
I do not think they will get any public support whatsoever and certainly none from the passengers.
Not one of them has lost a penny in pay and no-one has lost a job, that is more than anyone can say for other companies. Most of us know someone who has recently lost a job, been forced to take a pay cut or had terms and conditions changed. Myself included.
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Quite how it found it's way here, I don't know.
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That Bassa have publicly announced that they refuse to meet with BA is astounding.
What do they want?
Willie will have no choice but to go nuclear; he must know by now that these reps are not ever going to deal.
What do they want?
Willie will have no choice but to go nuclear; he must know by now that these reps are not ever going to deal.
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If the rumour about WW's email is true and the BA lawyers have found 3 inconsistancies, I'll bet a pound to a penny they will already have a slot in the appropriate court for an injunction when some form of decision comes out of Sandown tomorrow.
A decision out of Sandown tomorrow? You are kidding, surely! The internationally recognised symbol for distress perhaps (running around waving arms, shouting), but a decision? No, I fear not.
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The reason why cabin crew will return a massive yes vote is because they don't want to end up in a job with no prospects of promotion and declining wages. With BA wanting to transform the airline into a low cost operation the only option open for cabin crew is to take industrial action to protect terms and conditions. Take away 30-40% of anyones wages no doubt you would want to stand up and fight.
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Waterworldwonker, can you outline to me (and others) where the 30-40% of wage decrease is coming from? Or is it yet another BASSA figure conjured up on the back of a now defunct fag packet?
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they don't want to end up in a job with no prospects of promotion and declining wage
they don't want to end up in an industry with no prospects of promotion and no fast increasing wage
Do you think that BA is able to keep promoting people on current T&C and make a profit?
Watersidewonker,
Nope, that old and tired line won't do. Been through it many times on this forum, and it is plainly not correct.
In the mean time, can you help us at all with the really interesting angle of the 'ballot inconsistencies'. Expected either you, or Fume Event, or CFC to leap in explain that for us ...... but the pro-strike front has been remarkably quiet about the subject. Any thoughts?
Nope, that old and tired line won't do. Been through it many times on this forum, and it is plainly not correct.
In the mean time, can you help us at all with the really interesting angle of the 'ballot inconsistencies'. Expected either you, or Fume Event, or CFC to leap in explain that for us ...... but the pro-strike front has been remarkably quiet about the subject. Any thoughts?