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rotarywrench 14th Feb 2021 17:19

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4d29cc207a.jpg
I cannot find that this has been here before. Sorry about the quality but I was unprepared

Self loading bear 14th Feb 2021 17:57

Quality is fine.
We have solved pictures of much worse quality.

Bergerie1 14th Feb 2021 19:21

Handley Page Halifax?

rotarywrench 14th Feb 2021 19:38

That's it, happens to be a Halifax MKIII picture from the Pilot's and Flight Engineers notes. Over to you Bergerie1 !

Bergerie1 14th Feb 2021 20:02

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cb21529e68.jpg

UV 14th Feb 2021 23:08

Is that the reg on the panel?

oldpax 15th Feb 2021 05:14

Miles magister?

India Four Two 15th Feb 2021 06:02

oldpax, it looks American to me, particularly the ASI and the ignition switch.

Bergerie1 15th Feb 2021 07:25

India Four Two, American - yes

Jhieminga 15th Feb 2021 08:26


Originally Posted by UV (Post 10990751)
Is that the reg on the panel?

Yes, registration and type... ;)

Self loading bear 17th Feb 2021 21:18

I did search for C-FARA and found 2 registrations of different/ non-matching type.
Couldn’t decipher the type (on my phone) so went searching for side-by-side stick cockpits.

This is the Fairchild 24 as modelled for FSX by Lionheart Creations.
Perhaps still better to wipe out registration and type in the future.
It seems some fellow Ppruners let this one pass because of that.
Could also be that it is an animated picture but I personally have no problem with the way of detail and accuracy this one has been done.

Keep them coming!

Bergerie1 18th Feb 2021 08:20

SLB, Yes, correct - it is a Fairchild 24. Sorry if I didn't follow the rules of this thread correctly, will try to do better next time. Over to you!!

Self loading bear 18th Feb 2021 10:51

It might be that this has been played before.
But not in color:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e48955358.jpeg


Sideshow Bob 19th Feb 2021 15:36

The control columns look a bit like a (old) Beech

Self loading bear 19th Feb 2021 17:43


Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob (Post 10993655)
The control columns look a bit like a (old) Beech

It is a one-off but build by professional manufacturer(s).
No idea were they acquired all parts but it is not considered American because of the yokes.

Self loading bear 20th Feb 2021 17:19

Time for some clues:
It already featured in 2009 in black and white.
From his preferences displayed in these threads I would have expected a reply from JHieminga.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....aed02d032.jpeg

Jhieminga 21st Feb 2021 13:44

I'm trying hard SLB.... but I haven't cracked this particular puzzle yet.

I'm guessing a European two-seater with perhaps a strange engine placement seeing as the RPM indicator has some yellow bands. That might be due to a propshaft harmonic issue.... but I'm really guessing here. The fact that it has two recent Trig radios in that colour shot implies that it still flies, or did until recently.

Self loading bear 21st Feb 2021 14:04

50 years of flight ended in 2018 in a museum.

4-seater actually

Asturias56 21st Feb 2021 15:52

Is the museum in the Netherlands?

Self loading bear 21st Feb 2021 16:27

No in Germany.
(that’s where Jelle normally get’s his Inspiration for one-off built challenges)

rotarywrench 21st Feb 2021 19:50

It sure has some MBB 223 Flamingoheritage central pedestal, same knobs, size, and vintage but of course not the yokes and panel are totally different.

Self loading bear 21st Feb 2021 19:57


Originally Posted by rotarywrench (Post 10994973)
It sure has some MBB 223 Flamingoheritage central pedestal, same knobs, size, and vintage but of course not the yokes and panel are totally different.

Then you have one of the contributing manufacturers.
Shouldn’t take long now.

Self loading bear 22nd Feb 2021 21:02

Time for a last clue:
The aircraft has no metallic structure.

Archer4 23rd Feb 2021 09:36

Is this the MBB 223-M4? MBB 223 fitted with a Porsche engine. And currently in the museum in Schleissheim, Munich?

Self loading bear 23rd Feb 2021 15:22

No it is not an aircraft built by MBB alone but MBB contributed the Glassfibre knowledge for this plane.

rotarywrench 23rd Feb 2021 16:40

MBB / Siebelwerke ATG GmbH (SIAT) 223 Flamingo ? It was also built under license by CASA in Spain, but I do not know the variant/engine.


Self loading bear 24th Feb 2021 19:15

I am starting to doubt if this would help?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7554b77d1.jpeg

asw28-866 24th Feb 2021 21:05

LFU205, interesting experimental aircraft, exploring the then new application of GRP construction for powered aircraft. The German glider fraternity were very much in the same realm as construction moved from wood/fabric to GRP. Nothing to hand so OH I’m afraid if correct.

An interesting challenge too!

Self loading bear 24th Feb 2021 22:15

ASW finally got it right with the Leichtflugtechnik-Union (LFU) consortium 205.

Indeed initially build to research use of GRP in small aircraft.
From there is was used to measure drag and lift, study boundary layer and transition from laminar flow into tubulencey. Then testing laminar flow airfoils. Last testing was measuring influence of sun radiation into temperature of the wing surface.

Open House declared.

Jhieminga 25th Feb 2021 09:07

Interesting type, but I had never heard of it before :uhoh: It turned up at Schleissheim after my last visit to the place...

asw28-866 25th Feb 2021 09:33

Think I've used it before (photo is by me in my then machine), but appropriate to the theme started by SLB and the LFU205...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4d43bde00f.jpg
(will happily withdraw if someone has something new to hand)

meleagertoo 25th Feb 2021 13:00

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c69ced736f.png
I reckon that's a Libelle Condor...and if it flies as exquisitely as it looks I want one!

asw28-866 26th Feb 2021 03:07

Close enough Meleagertoo,

It is the cockpit of my then glider a, Glasflugel H-201 Libelle. Linkage with the LFU205 it that it set the standard for GRP sailplane construction in the late 1960's. Particularly for it's use of a foam, rather than balsa, sandwich construction for the wings. Something like 600 built, which for the sailplane fraternity is enormous.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6475300107.jpg

And yes, quite delightful to fly, though rather light and lacking in high speed polar performance by modern standards.

Meleagertoo has control.

UV 26th Feb 2021 09:36

Asw28, If this was “which aerodrome” I would say that pic of your Libelle was taken at Bidford?

asw28-866 26th Feb 2021 20:23

UV, and you would be correct! 518 was based at Duxford/Gransden Lodge with what was then Cambridge University Gliding Club. However for a period around 1990 a family group would convene at Bidford, hosted by Barry and Mo, for a gliding holiday.

Happy days.

meleagertoo 26th Feb 2021 22:34

Open House again.

Noyade 28th Feb 2021 07:00

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7c0b8db486.jpg

Noyade 2nd Mar 2021 03:33

Fourteen built. Last two were named Everest and Enterprise.

India Four Two 2nd Mar 2021 07:04

Everest and Enterprise.

Let’s not forget Egeria, Elsinore, Euterpe, Ettrick, Elysian, Endymion, Eddystone, Elysean and Euryalus. All members of the Ensign class, which was the name of the prototype A.W. 27.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....33017df2b4.jpg


I can only find twelve names. Were the other two unnamed?

cavuman1 2nd Mar 2021 22:40

Eeyore and Euchre?

- Ed ;)


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