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washoutt 23rd Nov 2020 07:34

Loose hanging wiring, can't be a FAR/CS 23 certified aircraft.

Jhieminga 23rd Nov 2020 18:08

Its design does predate FAR/CS 23... if that helps.

sycamore 24th Nov 2020 14:15

New -build WACO...?

Jhieminga 24th Nov 2020 19:59

Not a Waco, not built recently either.

Self loading bear 24th Nov 2020 21:00

Is this a parasol wing and not a biplane?
Davis D-1 could be a candidate?

Jhieminga 25th Nov 2020 06:46

It is a biplane.

JustinHeywood 26th Nov 2020 01:15

A Great Lakes 2T-1A? I can’t match it exactly but the strut arrangement looks close.

Jhieminga 26th Nov 2020 08:14

There's a reason you can't match it Justin.... it's not a Great Lakes Trainer ;)

Jhieminga 27th Nov 2020 18:00

I get the feeling that a hint might be appreciated.... there is a link to a WWII bomber.

sycamore 27th Nov 2020 18:41

Depends if it`s one of `ours`...one of `theirs,over there`,one of the `others`,or the `other others way over there`,or even `down there`.....?

Jhieminga 28th Nov 2020 13:59

I somehow figured that, as the last guesses were all US types, most people would be looking in this direction anyway.

meleagertoo 28th Nov 2020 14:25

OK, so what do we know?

Biplane, probably US
Has link to a WW2 Bomber
It's aerobatic (g-meter)
Fixed pitch prop.
Supercharged if I am not mistaken (Gauge calibrated in Atm at 10 o'clock from the compass) showing ambient pressure and scaled poorly for a normally aspirated engine.
Two guages apparently both reading temp 'F' up to 200'. One is next to what I take to be the the oil press gauge (why the strange scale markings - 32 and 212?) so the other - presumably - what else but water temp - so it's possibly water cooled? Then why a CHT gauge too?
Is the front part of the screen glazed at all, or just has a high coaming?

Jhieminga 28th Nov 2020 16:57

As far as I know it's not a supercharged engine.

sycamore 28th Nov 2020 20:50

Consolidated /Fleet ?? ,later linked to Brewster...mainly radials,occasional Gipsy Majors...

Self loading bear 28th Nov 2020 21:34

As there is usually a Dutch link in Jelle’s challenges,
I will go for the
Curtiss / Travel Air 2000
aka Wichita Fokker

Jhieminga 29th Nov 2020 07:32

I'm sorry SLB, the Dutch link was somewhere else... I'm going to hand the reins to sycamore for concluding that it's a Fleet. Originally designed as the Consolidated 'Husky Jr.' in 1928, the model was later renamed in honour of Consolidated president Ruben Fleet (linked to Consolidated and their B-24, it was a tenuous one...). This particular example of a Fleet model 7 is based at Lelystad, one of only two in Europe, with the Early Birds foundation: Fleet 7 ? Order book ´Doen´

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....27aa4f5998.jpg
Photo: Berend Jan Floor / AirOnline.nl, more about this aircraft (in Dutch) here: https://www.aironline.nl/weblog/2020...om-te-vliegen/

sycamore 29th Nov 2020 12:48

Thanks J,;afraid it`ll be OH..
Of note,maybe,is the front track-rod `loop` on the u/c...I don`t see any sort of oleo/bungee/damper arrangement,so it must be pretty rigid....unless anyone knows different....easy to groundloop...?

Jhieminga 29th Nov 2020 17:25

I don't know about the undercarriage, perhaps the loop indicates some sort of suspension internal to the fuselage that needs that much play around the other strut. When I dug the cockpit photo out of my files, I didn't realise that it had just emerged from an engine overhaul and general refurbishment just weeks ago.

topgas 30th Nov 2020 20:03

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4a5fd00aa0.jpg
As it is OH, I hope you won't mind me posting one I don't know the answer to. It is a screenshot from an episode of QI and I am curious as to what it is from

bafanguy 30th Nov 2020 20:18

From the pattern of the cockpit windows and 4 throttles, I'll say DC-6 or DC-7 ?

topgas 1st Dec 2020 08:17

Thank you. I was confused by what appear to be glazing panels behind the glare shield but are probably just reflections. Wide cockpit.
Back to OH

Bergerie1 1st Dec 2020 08:42

What about a DC6B?

bafanguy 1st Dec 2020 18:58


Originally Posted by Bergerie1 (Post 10937973)
What about a DC6B?

B1,

Could be. It's been 50 years since I flew the -6B and didn't fly the DC-7. My recollection of details just might be a little fuzzy by now. But the fwd end of the overhead isn't what I think I remember it looking like. I'm always prepared to be wrong...and try to stay good at it with steady practice. Maybe Spooky2 will come along and offer his opinion .

Self loading bear 2nd Dec 2020 20:02

Does this count as a What cockpit or should I post in Name that Flying machine?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8c694149.jpeg

Asturias56 4th Dec 2020 07:54

European? Whoever built it obviously had shares in the wire business.............

Jhieminga 4th Dec 2020 07:58

de Havilland Moth coupe?

Self loading bear 4th Dec 2020 10:33


Originally Posted by Jhieminga (Post 10940129)
de Havilland Moth coupe?

There were several Moths.
I think a type number is required.

Jhieminga 4th Dec 2020 11:24

The dH.60 was the one I had in mind, but I could be wrong.... the cowling points to a Cirrus or Gipsy I engine.

Allan Lupton 4th Dec 2020 13:56


Originally Posted by Jhieminga (Post 10940262)
The dH.60 was the one I had in mind, but I could be wrong.... the cowling points to a Cirrus or Gipsy I engine.

I'd have said DH60G (Gipsy Moth) coupé and it does all match except there is an exhaust pipe alongside the cockpit which in this case we have not got.

Self loading bear 4th Dec 2020 17:36

I also think this is a DH-60G Gipsy Moth Coupe.
These have also been built without the exhaust pipe along the side.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....99f00db17.jpeg
I did only determine the type after I posted the challenge.
The photos is tagged Stag Lane January 1929
Yesterday i found this picture

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d5411eeb9.jpeg

I think Jelle can take the lead?

Jhieminga 4th Dec 2020 17:45

Thanks! Let's make it open house, I don't have a suitable challenge available right now.

Asturias56 9th Dec 2020 07:35

Lets try this....

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db313cb9a8.jpg

Self loading bear 9th Dec 2020 15:04

Must haven been cosy so close side-by-side!!


Asturias56 9th Dec 2020 17:24

Smaller people in those far off days Bear - and not everyone is built to Dutch standards!

Asturias56 11th Dec 2020 09:07

Regretfully I can only find a single picture of the cockpit - which isn't surprising given the history - it's pre WW2 of course

Self loading bear 11th Dec 2020 17:30

A bit like an Italian bomber?

Jhieminga 11th Dec 2020 18:26

The Glazing reminds me of a Stinson Trimotor, but I'm not sure it's a three-engined type.

sycamore 11th Dec 2020 21:19

Go to `NTFM ,P94,#1876......

OH if correct....

Asturias56 12th Dec 2020 08:10

Correct - the General Aircraft ST-18 Croydon - I never got to post the cockpit in the What plane thread and it was pity to see it go to waste ;)
Sycamore has called OH


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1a4ae9332d.jpg



Self loading bear 26th Dec 2020 13:57

Have we gone through all cockpits already?
This one to prevent the thread to drift to the second forum page.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dcd3b777a.jpeg

If you might find the answer shortly but tend to declare open house,
please wait 24hrs before replying. This in order not to spoil the search for others around the globe.


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