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Self loading bear 28th Dec 2020 18:21

A further clue might be required:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....343a6e62b.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d9b684ca4.jpeg

India Four Two 28th Dec 2020 18:37

Let's narrow it down a bit. It looks European, possibly Italian?

Self loading bear 28th Dec 2020 18:45


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10956124)
Let's narrow it down a bit. It looks European, possibly Italian?

It is indeed Italian.

India Four Two 28th Dec 2020 22:21

Mama mia! That was a lucky guess. :)

Single-engined, variable pitch. Fighter?

Self loading bear 28th Dec 2020 22:39


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10956229)
Mama mia! That was a lucky guess. :)

Single-engined, variable pitch. Fighter?

Yes, Yes and Yes

India Four Two 29th Dec 2020 02:00

I've looked at all the obvious candidates with no luck. I'll leave it for the UK morning shift.

Self loading bear 29th Dec 2020 15:40

My last clue:
This was an Italian export product for the 3 crowns.
This one was however recovered from an Italian lake:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a56917329.jpeg

Asturias56 29th Dec 2020 16:52

Reggiane Re 2000 Falco - that crowns clue made it easy!

OH if correct.......................

Self loading bear 29th Dec 2020 17:04


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10956621)
Reggiane Re 2000 Falco - that crowns clue made it easy!

OH if correct.......................

Yes I guessed so,

Open House called,
I hope India42 has something in stock?

India Four Two 29th Dec 2020 23:18

Slb,

Somehow I missed the Falco during my search of Italian monoplane fighters. I'm surprised Asturias didn't get it sooner, since Reggio Emilia is only a short distance west of Ferrara! :)

Looking in my quiz folder, I see something that looks familiar. I'm not sure if we've had this one recently:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....483e17a865.png

Happy New Year to everyone. Let's hope 2021 and the upcoming Year of the Ox (China) or Buffalo (Vietnam) is better than this one.

Asturias56 30th Dec 2020 07:40

I was out on my daily constitutional TBH and had just settled down to go through every Italian fighter of all time when Bear kindly popped up the Swedish clue...


Lets hope for a better 2021 than 2020!!

India Four Two 31st Dec 2020 05:59

I've found another picture which may help:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....42c5ef5a1f.png

This aeroplane was designed as a bomber but was also used as a civil transport.

Asturias56 31st Dec 2020 08:01

Temperatures in degrees C it looks like - so European?

India Four Two 31st Dec 2020 08:06

Yes, built in Europe.

sycamore 31st Dec 2020 09:06

i42,that depends on your Politiks.....

Self loading bear 31st Dec 2020 10:34

Very long shot as I have found no cockpit photos:
The Russian built license Vultee V-11
BSh-1 as bomber
PS-43 as Aeroflot liaison aircraft.

India Four Two 31st Dec 2020 12:50

sycamore,

There is nothing political about the definition of Europe. :)

Slb,

Not the BSh-1

Self loading bear 31st Dec 2020 15:52

But Russian is correct?

India Four Two 31st Dec 2020 18:08

Да, Russia is correct. It is geographically in Europe. I even went so far as to check that the factory was west of the Urals. ;)

If you look carefully, you can see Cyrillic lettering on the VSI.

India Four Two 1st Jan 2021 13:13

The initial civil version had a three-person rear open-cockpit. The subsequent version was more civilized:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....47202427f1.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....53318b066f.jpg

The military troop transport had more spartan accommodations. I could see the Hereford Hooligans going for this one! :)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c09c650068.jpg


Asturias56 1st Jan 2021 13:30

Polikarpov P2???

India Four Two 1st Jan 2021 14:44

"Close but no cigar" ;)

asw28-866 1st Jan 2021 22:43

sticking with Polikarpov, add 3 to make it an R-5?

India Four Two 1st Jan 2021 23:10

Glider pilots are good at arithmetic! The Polikarpov R-5 it is:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a417734b5e.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_R-5

It featured in a recent What Aerodrome, hence it looked familiar to me.

866 has control.

asw28-866 2nd Jan 2021 04:16

Thank you I42, don't think we have had this one before...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3b499c1790.jpg

866

UV 2nd Jan 2021 15:08

Fournier motor glider ?

India Four Two 2nd Jan 2021 20:09

I think it’s an early German motor glider - Scheibe or Schleicher? I can’t decide if that giant lever is for pitch-change or engine retraction.

bafanguy 2nd Jan 2021 20:50


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10959361)
I can’t decide if that giant lever is for pitch-change or engine retraction.

A lever of that size and prominence must be for something important. What's that small gray wheel on the right ? Elevator trim perhaps ? The red stripe at the top would indicate zero trim ?

India Four Two 2nd Jan 2021 21:22

The operating arm on the lever goes forward so I think it's the pitch change mechanism for a nose-mounted engine. I see a Both position on the mag switch so presumably dual-ignition.

asw28-866 3rd Jan 2021 03:05

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....119c697c78.jpg
Prominent lever is indeed for mechanical pitch change. Interestingly for this particular type both UV and I42 are part correct! My uncle Brian in the prototype.

India Four Two 3rd Jan 2021 05:50

I've seen similar levers in an RF-5, but less massive, and mounted in the middle of the panel. Is this an earlier Fournier?

asw28-866 3rd Jan 2021 07:25

There is a Fournier element to this aircraft, but not an “RF” type. A clue was provided when I wrote that both your initial response and that of UV correct in part.

Fitter2 3rd Jan 2021 15:40

SFS-31 Milan ?

(RF4 + SF27 hybrid, 27 + 4 = 31. The Ka12 about the same time frame was a much nicer, better engineered beast)

asw28-866 3rd Jan 2021 23:27

That’s the one Fitter2, the SFS-31 Milan, the floor is yours


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....591504239.jpeg

zetec2 4th Jan 2021 10:08

engine stopped, prop feathered, as a glider, but don't see a canopy ????

Fitter2 4th Jan 2021 13:36

I thought I recognised the Milan - sat in the cockpit once, but never flew it.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b4b02c536f.jpg

I don't have much to hand, so a nice easy one.

asw28-866 4th Jan 2021 21:30

Like the real thing, only smaller!

Fitter2 5th Jan 2021 11:18

asw28-866:

Like the real thing, only smaller!
I wouldn't disagree

Mark 1 5th Jan 2021 15:21

2750 RPM limit suggests O-200 and wooden biplane.

I'll take a stab at Isaac's Fury.

Fitter2 5th Jan 2021 16:58

An accurate stab, Mark 1 (I said it was an easy one) This pretty example, being admired at the 2010 LAA Rally

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1d31171c60.jpg

Over to you.


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