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evansb 6th Sep 2014 21:05

What Cockpit?
 
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps1e965f98.jpgidentify the cockpit:

BEagle 6th Sep 2014 23:27

Boeing Aircraft Co. of Canada, "Totem" flying boat CF-ARF cockpit.

There's this clever tool known as Google image search.....:oh:

evansb 7th Sep 2014 01:41

You are correct. If you use Google Image Search, there is no challenge. Are you admitting you were too lazy to objectively analyze the photo, or are you just giving me advice for future posts? Or both? Regardless, I challenge you to post a cockpit challenge.

BOAC73 7th Sep 2014 11:11

Oh dear. And now he's taken his ball home.

dubbleyew eight 7th Sep 2014 12:17

try google images on this one :E

http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/...ps912dc270.jpg

Ian Burgess-Barber 7th Sep 2014 15:17

A Wittman W-8 Tailwind?

Ian BB

BOAC73 7th Sep 2014 16:51

I have googled & youtubed! Not exactly like the home build Wittman 8's I saw.
However I would expect doubleyew eight to know his own W-8 perhaps?
Time for evansb to bring his ball back ?

dubbleyew eight 8th Sep 2014 05:27

yes ian bb has it.

dare I admit that I was actually taking the piss :E
but I can post some you wouldn't guess.

India Four Two 8th Sep 2014 10:40

W8,

Where did you get that turn and slip? I've never seen one like it.

dubbleyew eight 8th Sep 2014 12:12

the turn and slip is an old gyro instrument.
the slip is a simple pivoted paddle bat with a weight below it.(internally in the instrument)
The turn is a gyro instrument which as it happens isn't plumbed into the vacuum.
it used to have an inop sticker over it.

the instrument is probably ww2 vintage or just after.

India Four Two 8th Sep 2014 17:28

I should have been more specific. Your T&S is not like the ones seen in British WWII aircraft. Do you know where it was made?

dubbleyew eight 9th Sep 2014 12:31

re the turn and bank instrument.
 
when a google search failed to give me a picture of a similar instrument I went for a look.
a 100km round trip later and I'm still puzzled.
I actually took the instrument out of the panel for a good look see when I discovered that there is no makers name on the face.

on one side of the case is stamped in
Patent No's 604208 591182

on the other side of the case is stamped
Serial No. c/908/49 Type TN300
Ref No. 6A/2676

there is no hint of a manufactures name anywhere on the case.
if anyone can give me an identification of year and manufacturer please speak up.
more of a mystery than I thought.

jez d 9th Sep 2014 13:43

The 6A/2676 is an RAF stores ref; the format of the display is the same as in the last Tiger Moth I flew in. The part is in the LAS catalogue, albeit nil stock, call for availability. I strongly suspect /49 is the year of manufacture.

Cubs2jets 9th Sep 2014 23:43

"The turn and slip was a 6A/3371 mk 1B made by Reid & Siegrist as TN300.This is calibrated to 4 minutes at full scale deflection on each side of centre."

This from another post referring to DHC-1 Chipmunk instrumentation.

C2j

India Four Two 8th Mar 2015 22:27

New cockpits are few and far between these days. Here's a rare one:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps2n1naibr.jpg

oldpax 9th Mar 2015 00:25

Rebuild?
 
Could this be a Barracuda?

India Four Two 9th Mar 2015 03:01

Yes, it's being rebuilt after a crash. Not from Fairey.

Here's a closer view of the panel:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...pslwc7no2a.png

India Four Two 9th Mar 2015 12:36

Not from Hawker either.

oldpax was getting slightly warm with his Barracuda guess. This aircraft is about the same size and has folding wings.

ETOPS 9th Mar 2015 17:00

I reckon it's a Vultee A-31 Vengeance..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._0G0537%29.jpg

India Four Two 9th Mar 2015 20:49

ETOPS,

I can see why you thought it was a Vengeance, but not from Vultee. It is however American.

JENKINS,
Not an Avenger but you are headed in the right direction. Simple wing-fold à la Corsair.

Ian Burgess-Barber 10th Mar 2015 12:13

Hero of Midway
 
Is it a Douglas SBD Dauntless?

sycamore 10th Mar 2015 14:50

Douglas Devastator...?

India Four Two 10th Mar 2015 15:37

This is fun ;)

I don't think Sycamore could possibly have been anywhere near this aircraft.

Just to add to the confusion, neither the Dauntless, Devastator or Helldiver have one of the key identifying features of this aircraft: tricycle gear :E

sycamore 10th Mar 2015 19:50

Think you`ve got it there,Jenks....be interested to see how they did the cat-strop arrangement on an early n/w aircraft....

India Four Two 10th Mar 2015 21:52

JENKINS,

Good sleuthing but up the wrong alley. Fascinating is right, because I'd never heard of the Douglas BTD Destroyer either!

My aircraft was designed by Grumman.

Kitbag 10th Mar 2015 22:52

Well I thought Jenkins had that. I'm struggling; as far as I can find the first single engine tricycle equipped carrier borne Grumman was the Panther, yet this cockpit is nothing like the Panther, especially the rake of the windscreen which is more reminiscent of the Wildcat/Hellcat series but obviously those were tail wheel ac.
Can't wait to find out what this is!

India Four Two 10th Mar 2015 23:18

I've got one more clue up my sleeve, but I'll re-state the last one, which was carefully worded.

"My aircraft was designed by Grumman."

oldpax 11th Mar 2015 01:07

Grumman
 
Was it a Northrop product?

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 01:41

oldpax,

Not Northrop.

asw28-866 11th Mar 2015 04:51

Fireball?
 
So glad to see this venerable thread active once again :D

Tried to follow the various clues and rebuttals...

Could it be the RYAN FR Fireball?

'866

Noyade 11th Mar 2015 11:58

Columbia XJL?

oldpax 11th Mar 2015 12:38

I will give it a go!!
 
T-34 Mentor?

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 15:43

866,
Fireball - another obscure aircraft I had never heard of, but not right.

Noyade is correct - the Columbia XJL-1, which I had also never heard of until a couple of months ago.

Designed by Grumman as a Duck replacement and built by Columbia, who were already building Ducks. Only three were built. Ordered in 1942, but the first flight was not until 1946 and the project was cancelled in 1948.

My next clue was going to be "Murphy's War Part Deux". The XJL is sometimes referred to as the Monoplane Duck.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psej5rnt0g.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psdg2tkvct.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...pswgfrj5vp.jpg

This one is being slowly rebuilt after a crash landing at Camp Pendleton following an engine failure. Due to very poor glide ratio, the aircraft undershot. The right gear was torn off, the forward part of the hull broke off and the aircraft ended up inverted. Luckily there were no fatalities. Grumman Ironworks lives up to its reputation again!

An interesting feature is a circular water-tight hatch in the hull, aft of the step, which leads into a small passenger compartment, below the rear cockpit. Designed to allow divers/special forces to easily enter the water.

A very good history here: http://www.goodall.com.au/grumman-am...olumbiaXJL.pdf

Noyade has control.

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 17:10


Murphy would have clinched it. Flying for the film must have been fun. Don't think it was Sycamore.
It was Frank Tallman flying the Duck, although I've seen a quote from Peter O'Toole saying that he was at the controls in some shots. Murphy's Duck is now at the USAF Museum in Dayton.

Rosevidney1 11th Mar 2015 19:31

I saw one some years ago at Tucson airport. A strange looking beast!

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 20:33

The one in Tuscon is the only other one left. The third airframe was used for structural tests and was scrapped.

Noyade 11th Mar 2015 20:46

Only solved due to your clues mate. Thanks Simon.


never heard of until a couple of months ago.
Like this one. I found it illustrated, believe it or not, in a children's book, "Aircraft in Colour", in a Melbourne Salvation Army opportunity shop. It doesn't show the flight controls, but I don't think there are many to speak of anyway. It's a replica that flew in 1968...

http://i62.tinypic.com/vwzcx4.jpg

Noyade 12th Mar 2015 20:28

The full illustration then. From the USA.

http://i61.tinypic.com/10iatl1.jpg

India Four Two 13th Mar 2015 01:06

The picture looks very familiar, but I can't remember where I saw it.

Kitbag 13th Mar 2015 16:17

Is it a relative of this early Morane Saulnier?

http://thumbs2.picclick.com/d/l400/p...RLY-K87295.jpg


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